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26.08.2008
What Do the Hillary People Want?

Remember when Hillary asked herself, the night she suspended her campaign in June, the question, "What does Hillary want?"

That's the big question I have now for Hillary supporters, especially the not-quite-over-it ones that pollsters have been finding and that Mike, Frank, Noam and I have been meeting here in Denver. Okay, they have grievances from primary season -- the media's sexism, the perceived injustice of the caucus system, and so on -- but what's done is done. So what do Hillary's supporters tangibly want at this stage? Is there anything, other than time, that would improve their feelings for the ticket?

I've been asking some Hillary contacts and delegates protesting in today's "We Want Hillary" march from a Denver park to the Pepsi center the simple "what do you want?" question. (Interesting convention side note: You can easily experience Denver as a sort of shadow Hillary convention, attending pro-Hillary rallies, Hillary-keynoted lunches, and Hillary parties without missing an hour out of the day.) Here are a few answers:

Daniel Kagan, Colorado Hillary delegate: There's a lot of bad blood to wash away. I will hold my nose and vote for Obama, but there are a significant number [of supporters] who won't. [Mollifying them] would take an acknowledgement that he allowed his campaign to smear his opponent's camp, that he allowed his supporters to smear the other candidate [Hillary]. If he were to acknowledge the mistakes he made, I would be happy.

Richard Morgan, Texas Hillary delegate: I don't know if anything is going to be satisfying, but a roll call vote would be great. [The roll call vote is an especially contentious issue in Denver right now -- the other option is to let Hillary delegates vote for their candidate at their delegate breakfasts, but not on the floor.] If they don't let me vote for Hillary, why did we go through this process? It's not necessarily going to put it right, but it would make the democratic process better. 

Denise King, New York Hillary delegate (now helping Obama on rural issues, but explaining some of the attitudes of her fellow Hillary-ites): A roll call vote is really important. If we vote for Hillary in the roll call here, that doesn't mean we're not going to vote for Obama/Biden in November! For first time delegates it's important for them to be able to say, "I went to the convention, I cast my vote!" If it were the other way around [and Hillary had won], we would say, "Of course" [there can be a roll call vote]. 

Purely getting a chance to vent their feelings -- via a roll call vote, a march, or whatever -- is the unifying thread here. After I finished talking with Richard Morgan about what he wants in the sweltering heat of the Hillary march, he told me gratefully, "You just let me blow off a little steam. Thank you." 

--Eve Fairbanks

Posted: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 5:40 PM with 4 comment(s)

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dhuey0 said:

"If it were the other way around [and Hillary had won], we would say, 'Of course' [there can be a roll call vote]. "

If there had been a close race and supporters of the losing candidate were freely venting their frustrations to the gathered press corps?  Control freak Hillary would say, "Oh yeah, let 'em vote, let 'em have their floor demonstrations."  Yeah, right!

August 26, 2008 8:34 PM

tar036 said:

"For first time delegates it's important for them to be able to say, "I went to the convention, I cast my vote!" If it were the other way around [and Hillary had won], we would say, "Of course" [there can be a roll call vote]."

If Hillary Clinton were leading the delegate count and popular vote at the beginning of March, Obama would have been kindly, or un-kindly, led off the stage.  And, to the guy who wants Obama to admit that he allowed "smear" tactics against Hillary, is he in touch with reality?  Isn't McCain using Hillary's words in the primary to bludgeon Obama right now?  Talk about smear tactics.  If Hillary were the nominee, I do not think McCain could have used an Obama snippet at all because he didn't smear her.  

These Hillary supporters are just out of touch with the real world.  The process to nominate a Democrat has been the same for the last 20 years, but since some people didn't get what they wanted it's a horrible process.  Give me a break.  I think Hillary did a good job last night, and if there was ever hope for me voting for her in future elections, she certainly saved/strengthened it with what she said, but her whining supporters need to get over it.  I'm sure they will be the first one's complaining of a McCain administration if Obama loses because they couldn't just suck it up.

August 27, 2008 11:31 AM

woland said:

Did anyone watch Larry King last night and see that insipid Hillary supporter with the facial tick who could not give a coherent answer as to why she would not support Obama and how he could win her vote?  She was absolutely stupid and Larry King's patient questioning of her revealed it.  The only reason she could articulate why she was not now supporting Obama given the similar policy positions between Hillary and Obama was because some of Obama's supporters were rude to her when she walked around wearing her Hillary button.  When King asked her how is that Obama's fault, she could not answer the question and said Obama needed to do more to win her vote.  When King asked her what Obama needed to do, she said Obama needed to ask for her vote.  When King then asked her isn't that what he is doing when he gives speeches asking people to vote for him, all she did was repeat that he need to ask HER for HER vote.

What a moron!  I think these "dead-ender" Hillary supporters can only be satisfied if Obama walks up to them personally and plants a kiss on their asses.

August 27, 2008 11:48 AM

tjlinko said:

Woland,

I have to disagree with you on one small point. For some of these people, even Obama personally kissing their butt wouldn't do it. The only thing that would satisfy them would be, if Obama got up there on Thursday night and announced that, despite all that had happened in the primary, the votes and delegates he'd one, that he'd come to the realization that Hillary is actually the better candidate so he's stepping down and nominating her.

Seriously. Some of these people have about the maturity of a kindergartener. I want what I want and I want it now, and if I can't have it, I"m going to take my marbles and go home and you can't be my friend anymore. Neener neener. (that's what some of these people sound like.

August 27, 2008 12:23 PM