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COLUMNISTS
TODAY'S STORIES
19.08.2008
Virginia Is for Bloomberg/Paul?

 

Weirdest election-related twist in a slow, pre-convention week: New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg may be on the ballot as a presidential candidate ... in Virginia ... with Ron Paul as his running mate ... nominated by a party that describes its members as "happy hillbillies":

On Friday, under the radar, the Independent Green Party of Virginia successfully gathered enough signatures to put New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg's name on the presidential ballot. They did it all without the mayor's knowledge or consent. Moreover, they wrote in as his number two Texas Rep. Ron Paul ...

"Indy Greens started the presidential petition drive on January 1, 2008 in Independence, Virginia," explained Carey Campbell, chairman of the party. "Eight months, 15 days later, the cake is baked. The deed is done. We're happy hillbillies. Since January 1st, Indy Greens collected 70,000 petition signatures. Seven successful petition drives to put five candidates on the ballot for U.S. House, and 2 statewide petition drives... and now Michael Bloomberg on ballot for president. We made a promise to Mr. Bloomberg, and now we have kept that promise." Virginia state law requires that a candidate receive 10,000 signatures of qualified voters, including 400 in each of the state's 11 congressional districts, in order to gain access to the presidential ballot. The Indy Greens, over the course of many months, collected far more than the minimum.

According to Ben Smith, Mayor Bloomberg has the option to put the kibosh on this, but is considering letting it go forward. That seems like a questionable move to me. Does he really want to be ginning up a) angst from both major campaigns, who could fear he would siphon off their votes, and b) lots of gleefully colorful stories in the press about how his new base of support consists of the guys who flew the Ron Paul blimp?

P.S. A colleague points out that the Bloomberg/Paul combo is particularly nutty because Bloomberg likes to do things like ban trans fats, the sort of vaguely-nanny-state-style move that drives Ron Paul supporters bonkers.

--Eve Fairbanks

Posted: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 11:32 AM with 17 comment(s)

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teplukhin2you said:

Of course Mike does. It's all about Mike, remember?

August 19, 2008 11:59 AM

dylanposer said:

Dangerous for Obama.  How can anyone top a Bloomberg/Paul type of "change" ticket?  Even if Obama went with a centrist GOP like Hagel or Snowe, it still would pale to a ticket with a Jewish New Yorker worth billions and a libertarian conspiracy theorist from Texas who used to publish material proclaiming there to be Jewish New Yorker billionaire global domination plots.  

August 19, 2008 12:17 PM

ratnerstar said:

Bloomberg is irrelevant to that ticket; it will get votes from the Ron Paul people.   The putative Mike Bloomberg constituency is moderate, vaguely liberal, technocratic, non-ideological, competency-oriented yuppies ... in other words, people who realize that it makes no sense to cast their vote for anyone other than Obama or McCain.  Paulites, on the other hand, would gladly cast a vote for Ron on American Idol, if it were only possible.

Assuming that Paulanians would otherwise swing more for McCain (a pretty big assumption, granted), this will probably help Obama.

August 19, 2008 12:34 PM

propositionjoe said:

Does this Independent Green Party of Virginia have the right to create a ticket without the consent of either party? The link states that it did just that and hat strikes me as totally insane. Somehow, I think Bloomberg might not be ready to abolish the gold standard.

Both of these guys should ask for their names to be removed from the ballot. Are they going to campaign? Together? This is beyond ridiculous.

August 19, 2008 12:56 PM

teplukhin2you said:

Bloomberg's a liberal. Paul's the darling of the anti-BusHitler!!! anti-RIAA anti-MSFT software-should-be-free crowd.

To the extent it has any impact at all, Paul-Bloomberg hurts the liberal candidate.

August 19, 2008 2:15 PM

ratnerstar said:

Nah, I don't buy it, tep.  First of all, only a fraction of Ron Paul's support comes from the ... let's call them the slashdot crowd.  In California or Oregon, maybe there are enough of those guys to counterbalance his much bigger constituency: hard-core libertarians, especially gun activists and keep-the-guvment-off-my-property folks, who would otherwise probably go for McCain.  In VA, most IT workers suckle from the sweet, sweet teet of the Federal government in some form or other; they're not free software absolutists.   But there are tons of Virginians who hate restrictions on their guns.

August 19, 2008 2:40 PM

Rhubarbs said:

They call themselves "Greens," but what has Mike Bloomberg ever done for the environment? And Ron Paul is outspokenly against government conservation in nearly all forms. It makes as much sense for the Greens to nominate Ron Paul for anything as it would for the ADL to endorse Pat Buchanan.

Which is why I suspect that this is actually an astroturf movement designed explicitly to help McCain. Obama's margin in Virginia, if he wins it, will come from exurban Republicans who are temporarily disillusioned with the GOP. Give them an apparently serious "not the Republican" choice other than Obama, and a fair number of them will choose Bloomberg. And by "fair number," I mean a few thousand, or a few tens of thousands, but remember, several of Virginia's recent statewide elections have been decided by a few hundred votes.

August 19, 2008 3:03 PM

teplukhin2you said:

Why would the NRA types vote for a ticket that has Mayor Bloomberg on it?

August 19, 2008 3:03 PM

ratnerstar said:

Because they will be entranced by the magical words "Ron Paul," the same way a hyperactive 8 year old will plow through a pile of Brussels sprouts if there's candy buried beneath them.  Name recognition, dude: it'll be the "some guy/Ron Paul" ticket.

August 19, 2008 3:20 PM

cspencef said:

OK, Mike Bloomberg and Ron Paul are nominated incognito by a bunch of "happy hillbillies" in Virginia?  This is so far off the wierdness scale I can't even see it anymore.  It has to be some sort of conspiracy theory, doesn't it?  How long before it comes out that these dopes are bankrolled by the same folks that underwrote the Swift Boaters?

August 19, 2008 3:42 PM

teplukhin2you said:

Hmmm... my 6 year-old would throw out the brussels sprouts, not plow through 'em.

August 19, 2008 3:46 PM

Rhubarbs said:

tep, there's not a lot of trust for McCain's stand on guns among the guys I shoot with in Northern Virginia.

Also, it's worth nothing that any gun owner in Virginia who is angry about gun restrictions is, quite simply, crazy, and it's a mistake to expect rational voting from a crazy person. The only meaningful gun restriction in Virginia is the one-a-month purchase limit. People with concealed-carry permits are exempted from the one-a-month limit, and concealed-carry permits are easy to get in Virginia. Fill out a form, sign a check for fifty bucks, get fingerprinted at your county police headquarters, and you can buy all the guns you want every day of the week. (Or you can be a sane person and wait 30 days to buy that second gun. The reputable gun shops here will hold guns for you while you wait out the one-a-month limit on, say, a matched pair of Vaqueros with consecutive serial numbers.)

The only way guns could be less restricted in Virginia is if the commonwealth were to start handing out firearms for free.

Plus, when you're casting a protest vote, the fact that the third-party candidate you're voting for won't actually become president is a feature, not a bug.

August 19, 2008 3:53 PM

ratnerstar said:

Well, your six year old probably has a modicum of common sense, which would preclude her from ever being a Ron Paul voter.

August 19, 2008 3:56 PM

teplukhin2you said:

The ways of the Paulistas are a mystery to more than myself.

August 19, 2008 5:37 PM

aeromonas said:

This will do nothing to hurt Obama in Virginia, my home state.  If Obama wins in the Old Dominion, it'll be on the back of two groups: educated, out-of-state professionals in the DC 'burbs who are savvy enough to recognize a bullshit spoiler when they see one and blacks--21% of the state's population--who aren't voting for anybody other than Barack Hussein Obama.

August 20, 2008 7:49 AM

aeromonas said:

Rhubs, I vaguely recall a stat from the eighties suggesting that some huge percentage of guns used in crimes in New York City (50%? 70%?) had been purchased in Virginia.  For this reason the ATF nicknamed I-95 The Iron Highway.

August 20, 2008 7:53 AM

aeromonas said:

"Obama's margin in Virginia, if he wins it, will come from exurban Republicans who are temporarily disillusioned with the GOP."

I disagree.  Obama's margin in Virginia, if he wins it, will from blacks in Tidewater, Richmond, Petersburg, and the rural south side of the James who haven't voted for the past twenty years, if ever, but come out to the polls this time around.

August 20, 2008 7:58 AM