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18.08.2008
Obama's Russia Opportunity

Let's be honest--with the possible exception of that Saddleback forum (on which I hold the minority view), last week was not a good one for Obama. McCain looked engaged and authoritative on the Georgia crisis, despite the tawdriness of his pronouncements, while Obama seemed AWOL. Mike was exactly right on this--though it wasn't necessarily Obama's fault (I mostly blame an unfortunate coincidence of vacation timing), the atmospherics were lousy for a candidate who still has to clear the commander-in-chief threshold. One hopes Team Obama is well-prepared for the Musharraf resignation...

Having said that, I think the re-emergence of Russia may actually provide Obama with an opportunity if he knows how to seize it. And it comes, of all places, from Maureen Dowd.

In yesterday's column MoDo wrote:

When I interviewed him at the start of his first presidential run in 1999, [W.] took an obvious shot and told me, “I believe the big issues are going to be China and Russia.”

But after 9/11, he let Cheney, Rummy and the neocons gull him into a destructive obsession with Iraq. While America has been bogged down and bled dry, China and Russia are plumping up. China has bought so much of America that we’d be dead Peking ducks if they pulled their investments out of our market, and Russia has transformed itself from a pauper nation to a land filled with millionaires — all through our addiction to oil.

What was so galling about watching W.’s giddy sightseeing at the Olympics was that it underscored China’s rise as a superpower and, thanks to the administration’s derelict foreign and economic policies, America’s fade-out. It’s as though China has become us and we’ve become Europe. Like Russia, China has also been showing jagged authoritarian ways and ignoring America’s preaching, including W.’s tame criticism as he flew into Beijing to revel in the spectacle of China’s ascension.

Despite his 1999 prediction that Russia and China would be key to security in the world, W. never bothered to study up on them.

Very good points. Obama's strongest response to the Russia situtation may be the same one he's used in other foreign policy contexts: By focusing on Iraq, we took our eyes off the real long-term threats to U.S. security. Global terrorism was one of them. Afghanistan and Pakistan were two others. The rise of Russia still another. Worse, Iraq has deprived us of all sorts of leverage we would have had with Russia. With our troops bogged down, we don't have much of a deterrent capability. (Not that we'd want to threaten force, but you'd like all options on the table so the Russians know there's a practical limit to their actions.) And we now desperately need Russia's help in dealing with Iran's nuclear ambitions, which we might not need as much if we weren't in Iraq and vulenrable to Iranian adventurism there. (Which is to say, Iran has leverage over us thanks to Iraq, which we need the Russians to counterbalance.)   

Better yet, I don't think McCain can even disagree with this analysis, though I'm sure he would. On some level it's basically a neocon critique: By getting bogged down in Iraq, we've fallen behind in a struggle against a great power (Russia) that we foolishly took to be benign amid all the happy talk of the 1990s. 

Update: I slightly tweaked the first graf with a few words about Obama's vacation.

--Noam Scheiber

Posted: Monday, August 18, 2008 1:03 PM with 36 comment(s)

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purcellneil said:

On the other hand, this foreign policy setback happened on Bush's watch.  How that helps the Republican candidate is beyond me.  Obama should just chalk it up to the ineptitude of the President and his Republican cronies - keep talking about how McCain is Bush's third term.  Obama doesn't have to be the world's leading expert on Russian history and the security of Eastern Europe - he just has to make sure that McCain looks like another Republican clown.

That really shouldn't be hard to do.  After all, what the hell is McCain prepared to do about Russia, besides puffing out his chest?  Maybe he could add them to the axis of evil?  If he picks Tom Ridge to be his VP, maybe we could have color-coded Russia alerts?

Neil

August 18, 2008 1:20 PM

teplukhin2you said:

Nice to see some "honesty" here - first step to recovery and all that - but the Iraq card makes no sense. As Robt P has noted, there's no chance in hell that we would have intervened militarily to save Georgia, and there is no chance in hell that we can should or will intervene when Putin tries to shear off the Crimean peninsula from Ukraine in the next year or so.

Furthermore, the choices facing those critical nations absent from Professor von Modo's analysis, the Germans, Poles and other Euros with a huge amount at stake here, are not in the slightest affected by Iraq.

Were Saddam still in power and funneling another $91m to the office of the Russian president, as happened under OFF, the Germans would be no less supine (they now see themselves as basically an ally of Russia) and the Poles Swedes and Balts no less defiant vis-a-vis Russia. Ukraine would still be eager to join the club of free European nations. Not invading Iraq would not have changed this situation at all.

Zbiggy's right. The Democratic Party really needs to up its game, in a hurry, on this region (see his scathing comments in Politico.com today about Obama as Jimmy Carter, esp his inability to "crystallize the situation").

Taking foreign policy advice from von Modo and trying to wrench this crisis into a judgment on Darth Cheney's Iraq policy won't turn around the growing perception that Obama and his supporters are clueless here.

August 18, 2008 1:30 PM

teplukhin2you said:

We're not going to send troops anywhere next to Russia's borders. This is a chess match. When Putin takes a Georgian pawn, we threaten his queen from Poland, with Pershings. If and when Putin shears off the Crimean from Ukraine, we push the Germans, French, even ol mafioso Berlusconi to support fast-track EU membership for Ukraine. If Putin goes further, we put a naval base in Turkey, and bribe the Turks with EU membership-- again, strong-arming the Germans and French.

See a pattern here? The crucial nation here is not Iraq but Germany. Too bad our candidate didn't travel to Germany during the campaign. He could have awakened the Germans from their pro-Putin stupor and set out a vision for the West, laid down some strategic markers, put forth a f-p doctrine ... Oh, wait, he _did_ got ot Berlin.

What was that speech about, again? Something about "knocking down walls"... in Gori, maybe?

August 18, 2008 2:03 PM

jobeek2 said:

"Obama's strongest response to the Russia situtation may be the same one he's used in other foreign policy contexts: By focusing on Iraq, we took our eyes off the real long-term threats to U.S. security [such as] the rise of Russia still another."

This is, apparently, exactly the tack the Obama campaign has taken: Bay said almost literally this on Face the Nation on Sunday, and other Dems chimed in: edition.cnn.com/.../candidates.georgia

However, I see two problems with that, a big one and a pesky one.

The pesky one refers to the charge that Bush & McCain were too distracted by Iraq to see the crisis in Georgia coming. That CNN article does some fact-checking and finds that "Obama's earliest campaign statement on Georgia came in April, when he criticized Russia's announcement that it was extending legal ties with the South Ossetian and Abhazian regional governments. So did McCain".

The major one is that what the argument applies is that, red alert, the Republicans didnt keep their eyes on the ball, and now look - there's this big new threat to our security we're facing. Right?

But that doesnt line up with the actual message the Obama campaign has been sending out on Georgia, when contrasting his take with McCain's. His campaign has been upbraiding McCain somewhat for being too rash and agressive, and Obama has been taking a notably more ambiguous and nuanced line on Georgia than McCain.

So how do those two messages work together? They seem to cancel each other out at best. What's the lesson we're supposed to take away? "Because of how McCain c.s. have failed to keep their eye on the ball, obsessed by Iraq as they are, we are now faced with this important and major new threat to our security - to which, eh, we shouldnt respond anywhere as quickly and agressively as McCain c.s. want." Sure, if you dice it you can make it make sense in a nuanced, realistic foreign policy kind of way, but at first blush it seems confusingly contradictory.

August 18, 2008 2:41 PM

JEFF FREY said:

Tep, an American *President* has the standing to do what you suggest, but a *Presidential Candidate* would be awfully presumptuous doing that. Oh wait, that's what people were criticizing Obama for being a couple of weeks ago. So let's be realistic for a change.

August 18, 2008 2:47 PM

teplukhin2you said:

Jeff - actually, I'd guess that's _exactly_ what the Germans were hoping to hear. What's your vision, how does it affect us and our relationship to the US, what are you demanding of us and what can we expect in return etc. Maybe I missed it but I didn't see anything at all like this in Obama's Berlin speech.

August 18, 2008 2:54 PM

TammyA said:

I'm getting a bit tired of Obama's same old foreign policy lines, like the one Crowley recommends he invoke for the Georgia situation.  How would that amount to anything more, Michael, than saying "I told you so?"  The Obama foreign policy narrative is about too focused on what should have happened, not what needs to be done now.  

I was furious during the primary that Obama succeeded with the "what we should have done" narrative and then came down almost exactly on Hillary's side about what to do now in Iraq.  But here we are in the general E and to suggest that Obama uses the same old tired narrative "that by invading Iraq we took our eye Afghanistan, Georgia etc." is bad advice and simply will not get the job done.  People want to know what he's proposing to do now.

Obama has dropped the ball on Georgia.  His only salvation here is to pick Biden as VP.  

August 18, 2008 3:10 PM

cal80 said:

I agree with TammyA that Obama's Monday morning quarterbacking is a bit tiresome.  It is easy to call the game after the fact--"We should've...."--but tougher to have a good sense of situations on the world stage to respond to them when they change.  

August 18, 2008 3:27 PM

CraigMcGil said:

The truth is that last week was a good week to be on vacation. Most of the country tuned out of politics to watch the Olympics. I also think that the events in Georgia are not going to strongly enter the public mind unless we get dragged into a war with Russia.  Obama should make a point of being serious about foreign policy and address it directly unlike Kerry. He also needs to have a better message on the economy. I am against drilling as a solution to our energy problems as much as anyone, but opposition to drilling isn't a domestic policy platform.

August 18, 2008 5:27 PM

mpatrickhendri said:

President McCain has already dispatched Lieberman and Graham to Eastern Europe to bring the situation under control. Obama is too late.

In all seriousness, imagine if Obama had dispatched surrogates to another country during a crisis. This is arrogance unrivaled in presidential politics - ever. But where's the uproar? The accusation of hubris? Unreal.

As for Georgia in general, wrap your brains around this: nobody cares about Russia beating up on one of its neighbors. This ranks someplace above the big foot autopsy and someplace below Michael Phelps in the national dialogue. Like many of the other defining moments of this campaign, this is largely a pundit driven conversation. And beside that, this reassertion of Russian hegemony in the region was entirely predictable.

August 18, 2008 5:57 PM

GSpinks said:

TammyA sez:

"I was furious during the primary that Obama succeeded with the "what we should have done" narrative and then came down almost exactly on Hillary's side about what to do now in Iraq. "

Except that, during the Primary, he stated, on average about 500,000,000 times per day, that himself and Hillary were, IIRC, 95% identical, and his goal was simply to highlight the differences between them.

Not coincidentally, this is exactly what HIllary did during her campaign (with much success).

August 18, 2008 6:11 PM

Robert Powell said:

I thought what Hillary did during her campaign was to completely lose control of her own organization, careen wildly from one strategy to another, and generally give the impression of a catastrophe in the White House waiting to happen. Gee, if we'd only nominated her. Or Edwards....

In terms of dispatching surrogates to the East, Biden is in Georgia--at the request of the Georgians!

August 18, 2008 7:09 PM

teplukhin2you said:

Send Ham and Jordy.

August 18, 2008 8:16 PM

Bukharin said:

After all, what the hell is McCain prepared to do about Russia, besides puffing out his chest?  Maybe he could add them to the axis of evil?  If he picks Tom Ridge to be his VP, maybe we could have color-coded Russia alerts? - Neil

Good stuff!!   "Puffing out his chest," isn't this pretty much the basis of justification for all things Cheney, Bush and Rummy?  Is this not the public face of all right-wing foreign policy??  You know, the direct side-by-side opposite of Teddy Roosevelt's stated way: Speak loudly and carry a small stick.

August 18, 2008 8:44 PM

jobeek2 said:

mpatrickhendri --

"As for Georgia in general, wrap your brains around this: nobody cares about Russia beating up on one of its neighbors. This ranks someplace above the big foot autopsy and someplace below Michael Phelps in the national dialogue. [..] this is largely a pundit driven conversation."

Actually, not so much. A new Pew poll has numbers: pewresearch.org/.../china-olympics-earn-american-attention-approval

17% said they were following the news story about Russia sending troops in Georgia "very closely". OK, take that with a grain of salt -- people will exaggerate how much they follow international (or political) news. Nevertheless, it's almost as much as people ever said they followed the Bosnian war (max: 23%, in May 1993), and much more than people ever followed the Chechnyan war (maxed out at 11% in 1999).

They got another number too. When asked which single news story they were following most now, still 8% chose for the war in Georgia. More than I expected, honestly. Quite a lot in context too: just 4% chose the anthrax story for example. And 20% said the Olympics, 21% the 2008 campaign; so for every 2-3 people most interested in the presidential elections, or in the Olympics, 1 was most interested in Georgia.

Finally, a third data point suggests that, if anything, the media have under-covered the Georgia story. While 8% of respondents chose the war in Georgia as the single story they followed most closely, it received just 3% of news coverage.

That last metric is most interesting for the stunning indictment it implies of news media editing on another count. The media spent 24% of its coverage on the elections, and 3% on the economy. What were the respondents most interested in? 21% in the elections, and 26% in the economy.

But yeah, economic issues are either awfully complicated, or boring stuff you dont win plaudits from your colleagues with, or both...

August 18, 2008 10:46 PM

TammyA said:

GSpinks.  My point is that after all this time, primary until now, Obama ought to have something concrete of his own, something more than Monday morning quarterbacking or bogarting other people's policies.  Georgia was an opportunity for him to offer that.  He failed.  

And as a former Clinton supporter who is now lukewarm about Obama, I continue to think she would have been the better nominee precisely because she is far better than him on policy.  Bottomline: democrats simply liked Obama's character better than Clinton's, something I think is superficial and could prove fatalistic this Fall.  Nobody can convince me that he is our party's nominee because he's good on policy, has sound experience and judgement, and can offer decisive action.  Still, I will vote for him.  Why?  Because I can't live with McCain's policies.  

August 19, 2008 7:56 AM

purcellneil said:

jobeek2

Your data suggests to me that lots of people find pictures of tanks and invading armies interesting - not that anyone really cares about Georgia.  A month from now, when the excitement comes to an end, see if anyone cares.  mpatrickhendri is right - nobody really cares.

Neil    

August 19, 2008 9:07 AM

mpatrickhendri said:

Joe,

Okay, it ranks above the big foot autopsy, but much lower than American Idol or Britney's newest heroin bing, panty dropping scandal. Nobody cares.

Tammy, the primary is over, and if Clinton had much better as you say, she would have cruised. She had all the money and institutional support and still lost.

August 19, 2008 9:41 AM

lesserliz said:

What people should care about is that the Neocon meme rolls along with nobody, even Obama willing to yell "Stop." WTF are we doing provoking Russia and seeking to reignite the Cold War over this intramural feud? Missiles for Poland too. Why the Neocons haven't even invaded Iran yet. Had they gotten Georgia into NATO we would be eyeball-to-eyeball with Russia ala Cuban Missile Crisis. Haven't enough wars been started by third rate countries dragging in the great powers? Obama should point out the fallacy of the whole Neocon narrative and reinforce that McCain is a Bush third term with all that it horrifically implies for the continuing MI complex war-somewhere-at-all-times-always-and-forever with misery and deprivation for the economy.

August 19, 2008 9:50 AM

jwl2672 said:

Ahem.  Took our eyes off Russia and China? Yeah.  Something like two buildings collapsing in the middle of downtown Manhattan and 3300 people dead will do that to you.  Shame on Bush for not negotiating a free trade agreement and intellectual rights protection with China as Manhattan burned.

You jackasses have all the solutions ex-post facto.  Which one of you jerkoffs predicted in July that Russia would invade a neighboring country in August?

August 19, 2008 11:25 AM

Crock1701 said:

Tep, saw that little "ham and jordy" over in the Georgia publicity thread, too.  A question: First, are you referring to Hamilton Jordan, who happened to be one person, not two?  Second, Mr. Jordan passed away early this year after a very long battle with various cancers, during which time he became a leader in promoting cancer research and did a wonderful thing in founding Camp Sunshine, a summer retreat for children with life threatening illnesses.   Please show a bit of respect or at least some basis of knowledge before you sneer.

August 19, 2008 12:52 PM

lsernoff said:

Scheiber's piece reminds me of the old Reagan anecdote about the little boy who is shown a big steaming pile of manure on his birthday and says "I know there's a pony in there somewhere".  There is no way that the Georgian invasion helps Obama.  Period.  The students will buy this story; but Obama has their votes anyway.  The middle-aged and more than middle-aged will have one thought:  the old thugs are back in business and who do I want in the white house to deal with them?  

August 19, 2008 1:16 PM

mpatrickhendri said:

JWL,

Russian bullying of its neighbor was entirely predictable. It's also not the first time in recent years that Russia has asserted its dominance over weaker, bordering countries. Though I admit that my intelliegence services hadn't spotted the troop build up in July. Sigh*

As for solutions, I'm not sure, though I think that a presidential contender dispatching a couple of yes men/shine boys to the region is a great start. Double sigh*

August 19, 2008 1:21 PM

teplukhin2you said:

My apologies. I was not aware of Jordan's illness.

August 19, 2008 1:25 PM

ChanRobt said:

Guys, although I respect the aggregate wisdom of voters, I doubt that they will respond to discussions and thoughts about latter day Great Gamemanship.

I think it's a lot simpler.  If the Russian Bear is waking from its 19 year hibernation, that's going to help Republicans and a warrior candidate more than it's going to help Democrats and a professorial candidate.

Do you seriously think that millions of voters are going to say, oh, clearly Obama has the better strategy for the chess game with Russia going forward?

I don't condescend to the American electorate.  But, it's also a mistake to intellectualize a voter's thought process to something that is, like it or not, pretty arcane to most voters.

Especially in a nation that doesn't know history very well.  

August 19, 2008 1:36 PM

ChanRobt said:

mpatrickhendri writes, "..imagine if Obama had dispatched surrogates to another country during a crisis. This is arrogance unrivaled in presidential politics - ever. But where's the uproar? The accusation of hubris? Unreal"

mpatrrick, that is because Obama, recently an Illinois legislator and previously a "community organizer" is a 1/2 term freshman senator.  He doesn't have a lotta international great powers cred.

I know experience is irrelevant when your a Harvard grad.  But, some people are naive enough to think it still matters.

August 19, 2008 1:43 PM

mpatrickhendri said:

Obama's experience, or lack thereof, is entirely beside the point. Name one instance in American history where a presidential contender dispatched his own "team" to another crisis before he was president. It's audacious beyond belief. The fact that the American pundit class, the same tribe of clowns that gleefully talked up Republican talking points about Obama's overseas trip, didn't bat an eye when McCain sent two of his BFF to Georgia - inserting himself into an international situation that belongs in the hands of the Bush Adminstration. Christ, put the shoe on the other foot, brother. You would rightfully be screaming bloody murder.

As for the Russian Bear waking - ugh, not sure how much of an impact that's going to have. Russian attempts at establishing hegemony over weaker neighbors is of little interest to American voters. Besides, that show of force, involving 35 year old tanks and ill equipped Russina troops, doesn't exactly get me shaking in my boots.

Advantage nobody.

August 19, 2008 2:12 PM

Wandreycer1 said:

Tammy - Hillary lost because she's a rotten politician who ran a crappy campaign that undercut her message of competence every day, it was entirely 100% her fault. Her multiple character problems only closed the deal.  Time to get over it.

August 19, 2008 2:15 PM

Wandreycer1 said:

As far as policy on Georgia, perhaps someone can point to any concrete differences between McCain and Obama's positions or that of any of their surrogates.  The style and substance yes, but the policies - such as they are - remain identical, even to Bush.

The fact is, there is a not a thing anyone can do except bluster, and blustering - while satisfying - defines you and your options pretty quickly.  

McCain juiced the polls by blustering, no question there's an advantage there in the short run. His embarassing nostalgia for Reagan and the good old days, as if we're going to occupy the Kremlin tomorrow, once again panders away to the worst in the American character.  So what else is new from a Republican? Maybe Obama is naive to refuse to do that, but its certainly not parroting anyone.  

mpatrickhenry is right, Americans aren't any more interested in another Cold War than GWB was four years ago when a minion of the day said at a press conference (after journalists had started being jailed or killed again in Moscow) "We've had one Cold War with Russia, we're not interested in starting another."  Americans didn't care then and they don't now, unless you happen to be a beltway chattering winger.

Bush totally greenlighted Putin long ago, not just with sloppy weak behavior, but by demolishing our credibility to lecture anyone on invading, torturing, etc.  We have no options, no game, we're standing here with our you know what's in our hand and everyone knows it, especially Putin.

The reality for our country as well as our Presidential candidates is: advantage no one.

Personally, I think a good strategy for now would be to stop highlighting our total impotence in the face of this situation, but then that wouldn't be warrior enough to please Hannity, so we'd better pander as much and as quickly as possible.

August 19, 2008 2:38 PM

Eos said:

What Noam is suggesting makes no sense--more wishful thinking by Noam, as about Saddleback. Obama has already lost the case on Russia by his early vapid non-position and then his sudden lurch to what McCain has said from the first. Further, If in fact we do wind up winning in Iraq, as more and more non-ideologues think is likely, it strengthens us very considerably via-a-vis both Russia and China. So what Noam is saying doesn't make sense as a policy analysis either. (Though that is not why Noam suggested it apparently--his intereest was not in good policy but in Obama's spinning foreign policy for political purposes.

August 19, 2008 4:44 PM

ironyroad said:

I'm getting almost tired of this, but I'll say it again because it's been echoed by a couple of posters here (see leserliz and mpatrickhendri above).  To wit:  we avoided getting into a face-to-face confrontation with the USSR for over forty years, despite our stated policy of solidarity and support for the trapped nations of Eastern and Central Europe, and even when they rebelled -- whether it was Poland, Hungary, or Czechoslovakia.

If we didn't do it back then, where a global ideological struggle was at stake, can anyone see why we should do it now, in 2008?  Indeed now it's almost more volatile now, because we don't really know what's going on in the Russian mind.

What I've said may be a case for JWL's accusation of post-facto solutions, but the truth is that our legitimate expression of support for Georgia should have included the proviso -- as President Clinton explained to the Latvians regarding their attitude to the Russian inhabitants of Latvia, and earned boos thereby -- that U.S. patronage and assistance stops short of supporting provocative ethno-national chest-thumping.  Unlike Clinton, however, Bush hasn't the moral intelligence to see the complications.  He just wants to spout bromides and garner applause in whatever corner of the world he still can.

August 19, 2008 7:24 PM

CAM2 said:

Lesserliz, you are right. This isn't Russia coming down hard on a smaller nation, altho' that happened.  It is about geopolitical positioning and Russia pushing back against NATO expansion, siting missile defense infrastructure in the Czech Republic and, now, Poland, and the selling of arms to a vulnerable Georgia.  The fact that the Bush administration can not back up is roars against Russian aggression by force, like Iraq, shows that the unipolar model of the post Cold-War era does not work.

Obama, once in office, may be the first post Cold War president.  His challenge would be to help the American people adjust to a world in which other countries challenge  the US economically (China, India) snd push back against American encroachment on long-established spheres of influence (Russia).   That will be a tough sell.   American foreign policy should be founded on how to manage these changes while respecting the self-interests of allies and foes.  The Bush Administration policy was to aggravate them.

August 19, 2008 10:06 PM

ChanRobt said:

mpatrickhendri writes, "...Russian attempts at establishing hegemony over weaker neighbors is of little interest to American voters. Besides, that show of force, involving 35 year old tanks and ill equipped Russina troops, doesn't exactly get me shaking in my boots."

When Russia ruthlessly puts down an internal province (with not tons of international news coverage) that's one thing.

When they send hundreds of tanks and thousands of troops into another country, former Republic or not, blasting apartment buildings, killing lots of civilians, and producing a lot of video footage and wrenching photography in the media, people do notice that.

You and I know we could take out those tanks and troops in an instant, pretty much as in the Persion Gull and Iraq II.  But, the pictures don't say that.

August 20, 2008 10:58 AM

ChanRobt said:

mpatrickhendri, I don't really know what this Lieberman/Graham team to Georgia thing is about.   I read a lotta news and missed it.

In any event, how are they inserting themselves into foreign affairs to the detriment of the president or State?  Are they fact-finding?  Are they meeting with the president of Georgia and giving him assurances?

Seems to me Pelosi went to Syria not long ago and did some discussing and negotiating that what probably contrary to what the administration wanted said, done, or discussed.  Did you criticize that?

August 20, 2008 11:03 AM

Robert Powell said:

I think it's important to note that it's possible that on occasion bad things happen in the world that can't be attributed entirely to the Bush Administration. The facts seem to be that everyone from the desk officer at State to Bush himself direct to Shaakashvili has been warning Georgia in no uncertain terms not to take the Russian bait. Russia had hundreds of tanks sitting in the tunnel leading into South Ossetia; they had the Black Sea Fleet off the coast of Abkazia; a short time ago they ran a huge military exercise in Southern Russia that was an exact preview of the invasion.

One did not need to be Nostradamus to predict the likely outcome of Shaakashvili's objectively justified, but blindingly stupid act of responding to provocations in South Ossetia with major military force, including shooting at Russian "peacekeepers".

And there's no question that McCain is the political beneficiary here.

August 20, 2008 2:33 PM

ChanRobt said:

Robert P, remember those teenagers in San Francisco who climbed up on the tiger cage, threw a shoe down or somesuch.  One or two of thm got pulled into the pit and torn to shreds.

People do really stupid stuff.  Even presidents of vulnerable Russian border states.

August 20, 2008 8:49 PM