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17.08.2008
Nunn Watch

This is probably the best intallment to date (yet I also suspect it's the last, as the tea leaves are just not pointing Nunn's way lately). 

P.S. While Nunn seems unlikely to be Obama's veep, he does seem a pretty good bet for a cabinet post....

--Michael Crowley

Posted: Sunday, August 17, 2008 12:52 PM with 9 comment(s)

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Robert Powell said:

Why not Dick Lugar? He has been cited by Obama along with Nunn as an advisor, and he backed Obama over McCain in every question put to him today by Blitzer.

Because, like Nunn, he's too old. Besides, Bayh will swing Indiana anyway.

August 17, 2008 1:53 PM

lymon1 said:

A watched Nunn never boils.  

August 17, 2008 3:24 PM

AaronBBrown said:

Latest from the Obama campaign on the imminent (7 days now) VP announcement.

"Vice President?"

"We don't need no stinking Vice President!"

:-)

August 17, 2008 6:05 PM

mattnewman said:

Why are the tea leaves not pointing Nunn's way? And if not, does that matter? Isn't Obama better off with a surprise, and what better surprise than someone of his stature?

August 17, 2008 7:04 PM

teplukhin2you said:

Nobody cares about #2 at this point. If he's really good (eg Biden), he outshines young Obama. If he's nothing special (eg Nunn, Bayh), he brings nothing.

August 17, 2008 10:12 PM

Rhubarbs said:

Yeah, tep, Obama should thank the maker that Biden didn't jump into the race for the nomination, where he would have completely outshone young Obama. Oh, wait ...

But to Crowley: The "Nunn Watch" series could do to with some straightforward explanation of why you, or anyone else, thinks that Nunn would be a good choice. You know, maybe list the elections he's won since 1990, or his effect on polling data nationwide, or his general name recognition. Except, well, he hasn't won an election since 1990, there is no polling data that demonstrates any national Nunn benefits, and his name recognition is as low as you'd expect from a senator who's been out of office for two terms. I'll be generous and assume there is some rational basis for the Nunnophilia, something that can be supported by appeals to evidence of some kind. Please, cards on the table: Demonstrate why the Nunn promotion makes any sense.

August 18, 2008 9:14 AM

lymon1 said:

Agree with Rhubs on Nunn, not Biden.  The logical flaw is using the Dem primary voters (and pretty much the kingmakers that are Iowa and New Hampshire at that) to represent the general electorate: *no* moderate was going to do well in the Dem primaries this year.  In 1988 Lloyd Bensten would not have done well in a primary but he was a great veep (I know, look at all the good he did Dukakis, but you could argue that but-for Bensten/Quayle the loss would have been worse).  

August 18, 2008 10:27 AM

Rhubarbs said:

lymon, I'm a huge Biden fan. Honestly, if I had the power at any time in the last 12 years to elevate any living American to the presidency, my top-three list would have been, and would still be, Joe Biden, Joe Biden, and Joe Biden.

But I've also seen the man campaigning for president several times over several decades. Just over half a year ago I saw Biden campaigning in Iowa, and the man couldn't even "outshine" the hot dog vender across the sidewalk, judging by crowd response. As long as McCain doesn't pick Huckabee, Biden will probably outshine any GOP VP in a one-on-one setting, which is a key part of any Democratic VP nominee's job. But the question of whether Biden will "outshine" Obama has already been answered, and there's just no arguing with facts. Joe Biden is just not a very good presidential campaigner. If he were a national campaigner of even middling talents, he would already have been president.

As to the specific argument about the Dem voting public, in fact a "moderate" did do very will in the primaries, nearly winning, and from the beginning participation in open contests was historically high, such that the "moderate" candidate's campaign frequently campaigned that independents and disenchanted Republicans were stealing the race from "real" Democrats. Which is to say, this year's Democratic primaries were a perfect opportunity for a candidate like Biden to prosper. That he didn't tells us more about Biden than it does about the voters.

August 18, 2008 10:57 AM

Robert Powell said:

Rhubarbs is right. Biden is a wonderful guy, but he talks way too much and a lot of the time some things he says are extremely goofy.

Why does Obama need a VP candidate who has never attracted any votes outside a tiny Eastern state that will vote Dem no matter what, makes him look even more like a green kid than he does already, and will likely create endless distractions with gaffes?

August 18, 2008 11:29 AM