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25.07.2008
Romney As Swing-Voter Bait? Hmmm...


In honor of today's Washington Post front-pager suggesting a McCain VP announcement is imminent, let me just scratch my head again at the case for Mitt Romney. It's not so much that Romney lacks selling points. He'd obviously add financial firepower to the ticket, for example. (Though even that's been overstated.) And he probably helps put Michigan in play.

What I don't understand is this idea that Romney helps McCain on the economy, which everyone concedes will be the nominee's greatest vulnerability. The basis for this claim is that Romney was a very successful consultant and private-equity fund manager. And there's no question that this would help him make economic policy. But that's hardly the same as winning over voters who are struggling financially, which is what most people have in mind when they say the economy will be a challenge for McCain.

In fact, with the exception of Michigan, where Romney had home-court advantage, McCain--he who allegedly struggles with downscale voters--almost always did better than Romney among the middle- and working-class, while Romney tended to do better with the country-club set. I wrote about this just after the Florida primary:

After Michigan (and even after last Thursday's debate in Boca Raton), we all marveled at Mitt Romney's transformation from implausible conservative to highly-believable businessman-pragmatist. After Florida, it looks like the Romney campaign may have had it right all along: Romney's base came into focus pretty clearly tonight, and it's not middle-class people worried about the economy, but wealthy people and conservatives.  

In Michigan, Romney won every income category above $30,000 per year. In Florida, Romney only won upper middle-class voters (between $100,000 and $200,000), while he and McCain tied among middle-class people ($50,000-$100,000) and Romney lost decisively among working-class Republicans. The question you have to ask after Florida is: Was Michigan an aberration--the result of McCain's excessive straight-talk about manufacturing jobs and Romney's auto-industry pandering (not to mention his native-son advantage)? I suspect it was. After tonight, it's not clear Romney has much appeal beyond his country-club demographic. (Keep in mind that, even in Michigan, Romney didn't carry people who thought the economy was "poor;" just people who thought it was "not good" or "good.")

And that's pretty much how it played out in other states, too--both before and after Michigan. (Relatedly, Romney almost always did better at the upper ends of the income ladder than at the lower ends, while McCain did pretty well throughout, and usually somewhat better at the lower ends.)

So, to the McCain campaign: If you're looking for help with swing voters in Ohio and Pennsylvania, you'd be much better off with someone like Tim Pawlenty, who actually comes from a working-class background and has demonstrated appeal among those voters.

P.S. And while we're on the subject of VP myths, we should probably scrutinize the one about Charlie Crist delivering Florida a bit more. I addressed it in that same post from above:

Did that vaunted Charlie Crist endorsement pay dividends? Tough to say. According to the exit polls, almost 20 percent of voters said Crist's endorsement was very important, and McCain won more than 60 percent of them. On the other hand, if you look at when people made their decision, it's not so clear it mattered. Crist endorsed McCain Saturday night, and McCain did win people who made their decision over the last three days by two points. But that's the exact same margin by which he won people who made their decision over the last week, implying no endorsement effect.

--Noam Scheiber

Posted: Friday, July 25, 2008 12:23 PM with 28 comment(s)

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adamvaught said:

Shhhh. McCain might hear you.

July 25, 2008 12:31 PM

Rhubarbs said:

The flip side of concern about authenticity and working-class voters is that Obama, too, needs to be careful about choosing a VP who also conveys cultural authenticity with non-yuppie voters.

Which is to say, Brad Henry.

July 25, 2008 12:57 PM

jyunis said:

I think Mike Huckabee had the best (and most accurate) line of attack against Mitt Romney: he's not the kind of guy you work with, he's the guy who lays you off.

July 25, 2008 1:04 PM

propositionjoe said:

I think jyunis is right. When you combine Romney's tendency to lay people off with his LDS faith, you end up with him alienating Rust Belt blue collar workers and southern evangelicals who are already tepid about McCain. That's a lot of baggage. So Pawlenty?

July 25, 2008 1:15 PM

blackton said:

yeah, please pick Romney because we all know what swing voters Mormons in Utah are. As to Pawlenty, blech. The guy makes Wonder bread seem ethnic. Two too white candidates, one ancient the other looks like he is a weatherman on action news at 6, way to inspire America. I would rather it be Huckabee, at least he is a real person who can help bring out the evangelical base.

But I really hope McCain goes long and goes for a woman or minority, anything to make his campaign at least seem alive.

July 25, 2008 2:04 PM

miceelf said:

Furthermore, Romney made his money being one of the vultures that picked at the carcasses of economic ruin of the middle and lower class folks. Good luck with that.

I really do hope that he does pick Mittens, however.

July 25, 2008 2:19 PM

William-g said:

Mormons are in style, thanks to Warren Jeffs.

July 25, 2008 2:24 PM

felons said:

Sure Romney's consulting background will give McCain credibility on the economy.  After all, W was our first MBA president.  How did that work out again?

July 25, 2008 2:27 PM

Nissl said:

Mitt has a lot of advantages.  But there are reasons he was about 15 points worse than McCain against either Clinton or Obama during the primary, and it's not just name recognition.  We have lots of footage of him and McCain at each other's throats during the primary, and an extended library of Mitt flip-flops.  Plus more people are concerned about electing a Mormon than someone who is black, female, old, etc.

On a personal note, Mitt is the only veep pick who frightens the bejeezus out of me.  His robotic personality, his chameleon-like position shifting, his intelligence, his goal of "double-Guantanamo"... and with McCain's age, you never know...

July 25, 2008 3:00 PM

patrickbassett said:

If McCain was smart, he would pick Sarah Palin. She has great ethical standards, a fiscal conservative, NRA member, and strongly pro-life. She would appeal to the Republican base and attract some of the Democratic Obama supporters that voted for Obama during the Democratic primaries in the traditionally Republican red states. Also, Palin's energy policy is squarely in line with McCain's. A pick like this could force Obama's hand to pick Senator Clinton as his running mate and with their recent history and her less than enthusiastic support for the cause may lead to some trouble for Obama.

July 25, 2008 3:11 PM

Rhubarbs said:

Sarah Palin just gave birth to a baby with Down Syndrome. As much as I hope -- purely for the health of the GOP as a viable opposition party, mind you -- that she has a future in national Republican politics, that future probably isn't this fall.

No, the name you're looking for is Rep. Cathy McMorris-Rodgers (R-WA), who's pretty much an exact clone of Palin, but with a military veteran husband and a Down Syndrome baby who's about 18 months older than Palin's. In the life of a family with a disabled child, that 18 months makes a huge difference.

July 25, 2008 4:00 PM

blackton said:

Rhubarbs, I know it might be wrong to say it, but what is it with these women in their 40's who insist on having kids? These cases of Down Syndrome ain't any kind of surprise. The time to have children is in your 20's, it is arrogant egotism to risk otherwise. I am not saying they should have aborted the babies but instead to use their brains to give their own children the best possible start in life.

And everyone thinks that all Down syndrome children are like that sweet kid on that TV show, many suffer other congenital defects, all of which could have been prevented if these asshole women didn't think that they were so special that they could put off having children until they were old. Screw Palin if she thinks I am going to get all soft about it and treat her like some kind of holy woman.

July 25, 2008 6:03 PM

propositionjoe said:

blackton: "these asshole women"? That is low. I don't know where to begin. You should be ashamed of yourself.

July 25, 2008 6:38 PM

psantillana said:

The asshole women in my family who have had babies late [unplanned, fyi] got tests to see if the fetus had all its chromosomes, and would have got abortions had we not passed the test [I was one of those fetuses (feti?)]. If you're not prepared to get an abortion, I guess you're risking birth defects, yeah. I'm not as angry as blackton is about it, I guess in part because I kind of like mentally retarded people. But it's not all about me.

My own un-pc anger goes to women who take fertility drugs and have a litter of kids, or abort some in the womb [which you have to do kind of late if you want to keep the rest alive - ugh], all because they don't want to adopt any of the babies/kids who need parents, because they think their own DNA is so fabulous it must be passed on. When exactly the opposite is true.

July 25, 2008 7:45 PM

Wandreycer1 said:

Jesus Blackton, knuckle drag much?  Who the hell are you to say something so awful?

July 25, 2008 8:39 PM

blackton said:

I have worked with special needs kids, my point is nothing against them, nor is it against women who have a special needs child especially unplanned, it is against women who choose to wait until they are in their 40's before deciding they suddenly must have a child screw the consequences, and I should be ashamed of myself for not declaring these woman holy for going through with the pregnancy, instead of saying perhaps they shouldn't have gotten pregnant in the first place. But my pointing out that nature intended for women to have children in their 20's is now shameful. Right. Great rebuttal. These are highly educated women who go around acting like saints when they could have had children much earlier. Read some of the glowing reviews, and now they should be considered VP candidates in part because of this biography?

I knew and worked with children born without eyes, some with shunts draining fluid from their brain, some severely and profoundly retarded, and statistically the amount of these children born to women in their 40's should not be noticed or commented on.

I will tell you what propjoe, you work in an institution where these people after becoming adults and their very elderly parents become forced to warehouse them, you do that, you clean their shit, you wash their bodies, and then tell me how wonderful the women were for deciding to put their career first. Don't get me wrong, it is not torture to do that job, but to say it doesn't break your heart a little everyday...but yeah, I should be ashamed of myself for saying a lot of this need not have been.

July 25, 2008 8:52 PM

blackton said:

yeah Wandrey, and women in their 20's should do crack, smoke, drink, and still get pregnant. Who the hell do I think I am to criticize these women's choices, right? They have free will, and if their babies have severe problems, well that is just God's will right? Nobody is responsible for their life choices, right?

OK, I admit my original posting was very un-pc, but I think it is incumbent of every human being when choosing to have children to attempt to provide their newborn with every possible advantage (I am not talking about 5,000 dollar strollers). If you want to have children, eat right, exercise, don't smoke, don't wait until you are old. In such cases there will be less special needs cases, and when they are here society will be far more equipped to deal with them, no warehousing, no shitty group homes with 25 people in the home with the neighbors protesting against them being there.

I am not saying special needs people are not Gods children, that they should be euthanized or aborted, but neither should we choose to greatly increase the likelihood of problems by our own selfishness.

My 26 year old wife is pregnant with our 3rd child, we would not have aborted the child if we knew he had downs syndrome. In fact, I don't even know if he does or doesn't. But we have chosen to do everything we can, doctors visits, proper nutrition, etc. and after this child is born I will get a vasectomy. If this being responsible and expecting others to be responsible makes me a knuckle dragger, then so be it.

July 25, 2008 9:34 PM

Wandreycer1 said:

Well bully for your wife Blackton. Way to project your own life choices as the only moral ones on to 51% of the world. Only your family design is unselfish, thank you ye male God.

How dare you presume to understand anyone else's reproductive choices?  Even if you could, and you cannot, perhaps you personally can provide suitable partners, emotional stability, financial stability, great housing, wiling fallopian tubes to every woman who fits your self absorbed, neanderthal, unbelievably sexist, timetable for our breeding responsibilities.

Get over yourself.

July 26, 2008 6:22 AM

Wandreycer1 said:

BTW Blackton - since you are state, like many knuckle draggers, that it is women's selfish irresponsibity if a child is born with downs syndrome, please update your story to reflect reality. Sperm of men after 35 is pretty nasty stuff, teaming with genetric mishap - especially Down's - and suffering waiting to happen to the children it is 50% responsible for creating.  

If you're going to continue to project your life trajectory as the true moral path for child bearing, please have the decency to include both genders in it.  NO ONE should have children after 35.

This is not un-pc, its is ignorant.

July 26, 2008 6:37 AM

ArtKleiner said:

Clearly, what we need is a society in which women routinely take a couple of years off after high school to bear a child or two; then go on to college and a career. The children, meanwhile, go to their grandparents, who have already established careers and can afford the time and expense of raising them.

July 26, 2008 6:39 AM

Wandreycer1 said:

Also - I can't be online anymore this weekend, because I have to take my selfishly begat 4 year old to visit his grandparents.

July 26, 2008 7:00 AM

lesserliz said:

I'll go Blackton one better. There should be some kind of restrictions on who can have kids, period.

There should be a health requirement, an intelligence requirement, and a means test for giving birth-there are too many dysfunctional children being born nowadays. Never mind mongoloids, all the kids around with ADD, autism, poverty,  gangstas etc. are the results  of total freedom to procreate. Park yourself inside the entrance of a Walmart and observe what comes through, typically an unhealthly wacked-out obese woman on a scooter surrounded by three screaming mutated future serial killers. The prisions are getting too full. Who the hell is going to run the country? Of course I happened to be one of those Walmart-type kids now grown up, but I don't like belonging to any club which will have me as a member. (Hope Wandrey has left for the weekend).

July 26, 2008 9:10 AM

naomi88 said:

You can probably cross Palin off the VP list.  She apparently is embroiled in a bizarre scandal involving the use of the Governor's office in a vendetta against her ex- brother-in-law.

www.electionbid2008.com

July 26, 2008 11:26 AM

blackton said:

hey wandrey,  I absolutely agree that men who have kids in their 50's are also selfish, sperm count and motility do go down. You got guys who will be dead before their kids graduate High school, of course they are selfish as well.

If you want to have children, eat right, exercise, don't smoke, don't wait until you are old. (notice how that includes men as well as women). If you do smoke, wait until you are 40 to start having kids, drink, do drugs, etc. just don't expect me to laud you as a wonderful, responsible parent. I am not advocating restrictions, but I will be damned if I am going to sacrifice good judgment at the altar of relativism.

And I am the one getting the vasectomy, not my wife. I have no idea how the is my projecting myself onto anybody.

And I am all for European  type laws and regulations so that women when they are young can afford to have children and stay home and take care of them.

And, of course, no one thinks of these children when they get old and put in warehouses. It is all about the parents again, right? Their wishes, their desires.

Yep, truly neanderthal sentiments.

July 26, 2008 2:40 PM

jkruszew said:

As a native Michigander, I have to scratch my head at the whole "Romney will help in Michigan" meme I've seen floated in the press.  A few facts:

1)  Mitt Romney has never held elective office in Michigan.

2)  Mitt Romney has not lived in Michigan since he was 18.

3)  No Romney has held elective office in Michigan since 1968.

4)  A person would have to be at least 50 to vaguely recall when George Romney was Michigan's governor, and would have to be in his or her 60s to really have strong feelings about him.

All of this is to say that being a Romney in Michigan ain't exactly like being a Kennedy in Massachusetts.  Mitt doesn't bring a state-wide political apparatus to the table, or a coterie of deep pocketed fundraisers, or any of the other things you might expect a well connected state politician to bring.

July 26, 2008 8:13 PM

psantillana said:

blackton, you are right in viewing this from the point of view of the child and not the parent. I'm fine with whatever you say - even if I disagree with it - since it comes from there. And I do disagree a bit. When I think of everyone I know, I come to the conclusion that it helps kids to have parents who had them later rather than earlier, and obviously not too late, but I think 30s is better than 20s. People are still insecure morons in their 20s, by and large, and I would prefer they wait until they calm down and grow up a little.

July 27, 2008 3:44 AM

esmense said:

Higher income voters turn out to vote at much higher rates than those down the income scale, and vote MUCH more consistently for Republicans. Romney is valuable to McCain PRECISELY because he is reassuring to the moderate to conservative Wall Street and Main Street business community -- offering those voters a reassurance on economic issues, as well as executive experience, that McCain does not. He also, with his blue state history with health care and other domestic issues, probably offers some appeal to moderate Republican women (who may be tempted toward Obama) that McCain does not.

July 27, 2008 1:20 PM

sabatia said:

Coming from a political family and career in Massachusetts and knowing both Dem and Rep governors all too well, Mitt was the worst we have ever had in my sixty plus years, with the exception of Ed King. King was an idiot right-wing Dem so it may be a toss-up. An awful lot of folks watched Mitt flipflop with 180s and 360s about two years after he got elected. And more saw his crass self-serving pandering during the primaries. Lots of money, some votes, but he lost the primary and made himself better known as a man who will say absolutely anything if it will advance him. Him, that's what its all about with Mitt. He won't do any good for McCain.

July 28, 2008 9:11 PM