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COLUMNISTS
TODAY'S STORIES
24.07.2008
Obama's Senior Thesis

This (via Ben Smith) is very interesting:

Conservative provocateurs have been hunting for it. Investigative journalists have been on the prowl, too. Even a former professor has been searching through old boxes for his copy of it. But today Barack Obama made it official: He doesn’t have and can’t release any copies of the thesis-length paper he wrote 25 years ago while a senior at Columbia University.

“We do not have a copy of the course paper you requested and neither does Columbia University,” Obama spokesman Ben LaBolt told NBC News. ...

So we turned for answers to the former professor who graded the now-elusive paper. His former professor, Michael Baron, recalled in an interview with NBC News that Obama easily aced the year-long class. Baron described the paper as a “thesis” or “senior thesis” in several interviews, and said that Obama spent a year working on it. Baron recalls that the topic was nuclear negotiations with the Soviet Union.

“My recollection is that the paper was an analysis of the evolution of the arms reduction negotiations between the Soviet Union and the United States,” Baron said in an e-mail. “At that time, a hot topic in foreign policy circles was finding a way in which each country could safely reduce the large arsenal of nuclear weapons pointed at the other … For U.S. policy makers in both political parties, the aim was not disarmament, but achieving deep reductions in the Soviet nuclear arsenal and keeping a substantial and permanent American advantage. As I remember it, the paper was about those negotiations, their tactics and chances for success. Barack got an A.”

Baron said that, even if he could find a copy of the paper, it would likely disappoint Obama’s critics. “The course was not a polemical course, it was a course in decision making and how decisions got made,” he said. “None of the papers in the class were controversial.”

For what it's worth, I also had a semi-strange experience involving the Obama thesis back in February. An aide happened to mention that Obama had written his thesis on nuclear deterrence. When I went back to verify it in a subsequent conversation, the aide told me he'd have to double-check. He subsequently e-mailed to say Obama couldn't remember whether it was his actual thesis or just a paper for a class, so it was probably best to drop the reference altogether. It wasn't a particularly big deal either way--just a minor detail in the context of a much larger piece--but it did leave me scratching my head a bit. I mean, who doesn't remember their senior thesis? Anyway, I hadn't really given it a second thought until just now. (Though we did call Columbia in search of a copy...)

Update: Alright, alright. Point taken, commenters. I agree that this is an exceedingly small deal. I'm not suggesting there's something sinister lurking in those pages. And I can understand why the campaign would be loath to produce the thesis even if it's completely benign, which I suspect is the case. The right-wingers are obviously poised to mine any Obama document for statements that can be taken out of context and distorted, and even the most sober-minded senior thesis is vulnerable to that treatment.

Still, your default posture as a journalist, rather than a partisan or an operative, is that you always want more insight into the person your covering. I don't think it's at all unreasonable for us to push to see a project that Obama labored on for a year.

--Noam Scheiber

Posted: Thursday, July 24, 2008 6:37 PM with 29 comment(s)

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FWright said:

"This (via Ben Smith) is very interesting:"

Noam, you really shouldn't lie to your readers like that.

July 24, 2008 7:28 PM

a_long said:

"I mean, who doesn't remember their senior thesis?"

Um, I don't. I was an English/Theatre major. I think I wrote a play to satisfy my thesis requirement, but I'm not sure.

I bet Obama certainly does remember it, but I also bet hundreds of thousands of people in their forties have only vague recollections--even suppressed memories--of the hell they had to go through to finally earn that Bachelor's Degree that they weren't really all that interested in in the first place.

Masters theses and Ph.D dissertations are of course different beasts. They rule your life, because you deliberately make the choice and commitment, and usually because that's ALL you're doing for an entire year, sometimes two.

July 24, 2008 7:58 PM

scire said:

this is yet again another non-story about Obama designed to make him look what? Creepy and untrustworthy? I went and read the original story on MSNBC. The professor said he got an 'A and that it was a non-controversial topic as were the theses of all the students in the class, basically cause the class was non-controversial.

my undergraduate thesis was non-controversial too. Basically everyone's I know was. They are designed to have under grad students prove they can do some research and critical analysis of research. They are usually boring as hell. I know mine was. There were four copies of mine. I can't find a single one.

WHy is this a story?

And why no similar concern on the part of the media in McCain's thesis? Did he even have one? Was he capable of even writing one?

Gimme a break.

THis magnifying glass scrutiny of Obama is really getting a little surrealistic in its ridiculousness. Next thing we know, the media or republicans will be demanding stool samples that they'll turn over to a shaman for predictions about an Obama presidency or for some kind of spiritual character analysis.

July 24, 2008 8:19 PM

Wandreycer1 said:

This post is ridiculous from beginning to end.  

July 24, 2008 9:00 PM

adaglas said:

It's true - the whole "nuclear negotiations" story is a cover.  Obama's senior thesis, according to sources close to me, is actually titled  "Why I Hate America, Especially Those Chumps in Ohio, Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Florida," subheaded, "And Israel Can Pretty Much Bite Me, Too."  Clearly, the media is going to have a field day.

July 24, 2008 9:33 PM

Lyn39 said:

Bush - no conscience.  McCain - no difference.  Obama - no thesis?  The first two keep me up at night, but the last isn't giving me the shivers.

July 24, 2008 9:51 PM

cspencef said:

Senior thesis?  I have the vague awareness of writing one, and that's about it.  

And don't even get started on asking his old prof to remember it.  He might remember some master's theses or doctoral documents, depending on the field, but he's just not going to remember a senior thesis even if Jesus Christ wrote it.

July 24, 2008 10:01 PM

blackton said:

Good lord Noam, what did you study? I took History and wrote so many papers I am not sure what was my senior thesis. I think it was on the Delaware Canal, but that might also be because it was the only one I remember writing.

July 24, 2008 10:24 PM

s4200 said:

The spineless zombie supporters of Obama stink.

These people are emotional hostages to a fake Messiah.

We need freedom, but also a military and diplomatic deterrence to defend ourselves and the many victims of nasty oppressors all over the world..

July 24, 2008 10:24 PM

scire said:

we're spineless zombies because we think it's reaching  to make the disappearance of Obama's undergraduate thesis into an issue?

Maybe he threw it away 'cause he re-read it when he was 29 and thought, "My G-d, I wrote that crap?" Or maybe he lost it during one of his multiple moves since he graduated from Columbia. Or maybe he never even held onto it to begin with because he knew he is a genius and that he'd be writing a lot more stuff in the future of actual significance.

Or maybe, it was about how to  provide nuclear arms to Iran ,and he realized last year that his prescient terrorist prescriptions could get him into big trouble, so he burned it.

And Obama's not my messiah. He's my mohammed.

July 24, 2008 10:54 PM

kj_593 said:

Noam:  Are you trying to secure an invite to Sedona?

July 24, 2008 11:46 PM

lsernoff said:

I knew it.  Something was bound to come along and make me feel sorry for Obama.  Who among us would like to have the thesis we wrote at age 21 picked apart.  At best, it might show great promise.  At worst, it might show reason to despair for the writer's future.  But, we all know that some rockets fizzle immediately after takeoff and others have their compass corrected only in mid course.  Obama may well manage to get himself elected president at age 46 with no help from me; if so, he will have my best wishes.  But the accomplishments  or failures that will make him truly memorable, apart from his parentage, lie ahead, not behind.  

July 24, 2008 11:52 PM

stgla said:

Obama's senior thesis: Kill Whitey and Eat his Brains with Arugula Salad.

nice post.

July 24, 2008 11:55 PM

optiskeptic said:

I want to see McCain's senior thesis. What does a thesis written by a guy who finished in the bottom 1% of his class (894th out of 899) look like?

July 25, 2008 12:54 AM

icarusr said:

Oh for Fuck's sake.  Stop it, or I will.  If I wanted to subsribe to People magazine, I would have done so.  Tear apart Obama's position on UHC, destroy his flipflopping, for all I care, piss all over his health care and accuse him of antisemitism, if you must.  But have enough intelligence for your readers, most of whom have suffered seior theses, to spare us from this crap.

I'm warning you - this is insulting to me.  You do this sort of reporting, and I will feel free, for my money, to call you names.

July 25, 2008 1:26 AM

GoodLiberal said:

What's the big deal here?  I mean, I went to a British university, so we don't have quite the same system, but I would be very curious to read a senior thesis written by Obama, Kerry, Clinton etc.

July 25, 2008 6:08 AM

lymon1 said:

I find it perfectly believable that nobody can find Obama's college papers.

I find it less believable that nobody can find his law firm billing records or his state legislature papers.  

July 25, 2008 7:48 AM

dnyedwab said:

I understand your point re: reporters and wanting to know the most about their subjects, but I hope you understand why the skepticalr response appeared in the comments..  When reporters can't get their hands on some random document (say a thesis written when a canddate was a senior in college), they assume some grand cosnpiracy, rather than any other ezplanation.  On the other hand, when a "source close to the administration" or John McCain tells a reporter something that can be contradicted by widely available written records,  the reportng is likely to have "on the one hand, on the other hand" quality to it..

July 25, 2008 8:19 AM

selish70 said:

It's better that it can't be found, that way we can all just agree that it was BRILLIANT.  Anyhow, I got an "A" on mine, too - it wasn't exactly the high point of my life or anything, but I have copies and remember it quite well.

July 25, 2008 8:33 AM

michael said:

I know there is a price to be paid for being #1, but the inspection of Obama has taken a dismal turn.  I have little problem with TNR or the editors. But journalist or not the last sentence would be considered arrogant were it applied as an imperative for any person in their 40's: 'I don't think it's at all unreasonable for us to push to see a project that Obama labored on for a year.".  (That "project" was a senior thesis so consider the choice of the words "labored on it for a year...")

Since an aide got a whiff of the trail in February & nobody has come up with much?  Well, how much more speculation is necessary and how much more time should pass before one could consider it "unreasonable"?  

Jeeze, I wouldn't mind if a person could expunge anything they wished from their student record if they did it prior to the age of 25.  Do we really want students be so cautious in college that they might stifle their imagination because some paper might haunt them 25 years later? How or why is a thesis probative as regards the choice of a POTUS?

I think liberals should be especially sensitive to a statute of limitations that protects the actions of an undeveloped person. So many suffered from investigations of their past. The folly of youth in school or not is usually impertinent to their future and assigning guilt for it was more shameful for the investigators.

I'm weary of the defense, "Well, this is the most powerful office on the planet..." because even that job allows some immunity or severance from what a person did two or three decades ago. You know, before they pere on anyone's payroll. If they did something, and do brag about it or claim it to be significant then it should be fair game. But just because something can't be found does not mean it is being hidden, was shredded or is something that should be sought out.

I hope the thesis is lost. And yet, it may be too late to save the next person. No matter how banal it is, future candidates will know there is a bounty on the intellectual curiosity dating back to college.  

I'm no pro but I submit that is not reasonable.

July 25, 2008 9:28 AM

blackton said:

optiskeptic : McCain's senior thesis was titled: "Gutenberg, not just the latest thing but here to stay." He initially wrote it on why the Earth really was flat but luckily his Science teacher was a friend of Copernicus and talked him out of it.

July 25, 2008 10:24 AM

michael said:

OK, I'll play. Match the thesis to the candidate:

A. "There Is No N In Vigor"

B. "Dien Bien Phu Me Once"

(I'll be here through the weekend with two shows on Sunday)

July 25, 2008 10:50 AM

Rhubarbs said:

Just curious: Did any reporters display comparable zeal in looking for George W. Bush's senior thesis, or more to the point, film footage of his cheerleading career?

July 25, 2008 11:46 AM

icarusr said:

"you always want more insight into the person your covering".

Noam, if you have ever done a "senior's thesis", or any thesis, or any paper, or any university-level effort, you know that they give you exactly zero insight into the person who wrote them, in terms of substance.  For broad-minded professors, I wrote what I wanted to write; for narrow-minded ones, I wrote what they wanted to hear.  Unless you know my profs, twenty years later, you can't tell which is which.  

And no, I did not keep my papers.  Some of them were in my dad's basement until recently; I threw them out because I had no place to keep them and he needed the space.  To think that a few years from now, if I ever go into politics, this simple act could come and haunt me ... honestly.

July 25, 2008 11:49 AM

icarusr said:

Rhubs: heard he had nice legs.  

July 25, 2008 11:50 AM

michael said:

My reply was so boring Noam may not have noticed my position was not that of a "partisan or an operative". I think we should keep our mits off off most of what kids think about and write about in school.

I'll re-bore with a single paragraph, one point:    Jeeze, I wouldn't mind if a person could expunge anything they wished from their student record if they did it prior to the age of 25.  Do we really want students be so cautious in college that they might stifle their imagination because some paper might haunt them 25 years later? How or why is a thesis probative as regards the choice of a POTUS?

So, balance the need for a journalist's insight against a student's need to not be held accountable for a period or safe zone when still learning. You may gain insight from a person's school years but most people are still seeking their own insight during that time. Unless any person provides their work as a credential it should be out of bounds.  Until a person claims otherwise, consider academics a work in progress or you might risk having young minds too worried they'll be haunted by they're curiosity.  

July 25, 2008 12:16 PM

Rhubarbs said:

Also, where's the quest for McCain's senior thesis? At the Naval Academy, midshipmen in honors programs do senior theses. Surely McCain had sufficient brains and discipline to be in an honors program and therefore wrote a senior thesis, right? And if not, was it because McCain has a below-average mind, or a below-average work ethic, or both?

I mean, if we're gonna go there, then fine. Let's go there.

July 25, 2008 2:09 PM

Sirhc said:

The only interesting thing about this post is that one of Obama's old professors is so interested in his 15 minutes of fame that he's willing to lie about remembering Obama's thesis.

July 25, 2008 3:40 PM

The Stump said:

I'm sure everyone is more than tired of my Obama-thesis musings , which were out of proportion to

July 25, 2008 7:46 PM