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TODAY'S STORIES
15.07.2008
Obama and the Comedy Question

Bill Carter has an interesting piece in today's Times about the difficulties comedians are having finding a comic frame for Obama--or really making fun of him in any way. "[S]o far, no true punch lines have landed," Carter writes.

Why? The reason cited by most of those involved in the shows is that a fundamental factor is so far missing in Mr. Obama: There is no comedic “take” on him, nothing easy to turn to for an easy laugh, like allegations of Bill Clinton’s womanizing, or President Bush’s goofy bumbling or Al Gore’s robotic persona.

“The thing is, he’s not buffoonish in any way,” said Mike Barry, who started writing political jokes for Johnny Carson’s monologues in the waning days of the Johnson administration and has lambasted every presidential candidate since, most recently for Mr. Letterman. “He’s not a comical figure,” Mr. Barry said.

Carter mostly bills this as a problem for comedians--and, maybe secondarily, John McCain (who's on the wrong end of the punchline gap). He goes on at length about the ways in which comedy writers are pulling their hair out searching for themes that will resonate. It almost reminds you of the Clinton campaign's struggle to impose a narrative on Obama.

But, while the comedy industry may be hurting, I think it's potentially a bigger issue for Obama himself. Carter hints at the reason when he finally addresses the elephant in the room midway through the piece:

Of course, the question of race is also mentioned as one reason Mr. Obama has proved to be so elusive a target for satire.

“Anything that has even a whiff of being racist, no one is going to laugh,” said Rob Burnett, an executive producer for Mr. Letterman. “The audience is not going to allow anyone to do that.”

Right. And the problem for Obama is that people tend to vote for a presidential candidate they feel personally comfortable with. If people aren't comfortable with humor about Obama--if they're reluctant to laugh at him for fear of being thought racist, or of crossing some line of political correctness--then some of them probably aren't comfortable with him, period.

Granted, the returns to being made fun of diminish pretty quickly. You never want to turn into a Kerry- or Gore-style object of derision, to say nothing of Gerald Ford or Dan Quayle. So there are real advantages to having a comedy force field.

But the campaign faces a tricky balancing act, if nothing else. On the one hand, they have to be pretty vigilant against smears that are genuinely scurrilous or racist. On the other, they have to avoid the impression that Obama is somehow above ridicule, which is a status no president will ever enjoy (nor should they).

That's why, in addition to the reasons Isaac and Mike laid out, I thought it was a real mistake for them to seize on The New Yorker cover. They may have been right on the merits--it wasn't the most successful piece of satire I've ever seen--but the impression they created (that you need to think twice before bringing humor into discussions of Obama) was one they probably needed to avoid.  

P.S. As a colleague points out, the campaign does seem to be aware of this problem. That's probably why you occasionally hear Michelle Obama deflating her husband a bit. And Obama himself can be self-deprecating. It wouldn't be a bad idea to get him on these late-night shows inflicting his own punchlines if no one else is going to do it.

--Noam Scheiber

Posted: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 1:16 PM with 31 comment(s)

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The Plank said:

Contra Noam and Mike and Isaac , I think the Obama campaign pretty much had to respond to the New Yorker

July 15, 2008 1:42 PM

hemlock41 said:

Great post, Noam. The one thing people have been saying about the cartoon brouhaha that makes me wince is that Obama's response and that of his supporters reveals them to be overly-sensitive PC police -- and that an Obama administration would make everyone tiptoe around on eggshells. I think the campaign's response may have been necessary to fend off the critique that Obama's passive in the face of attacks; but reinforcing the idea that it's risky to make fun of him is a big downside.

July 15, 2008 1:53 PM

perkowitz said:

on the one hand, this sounds true. on the other hand, seriously? is this what we're talking about? can't we just take the summer off and come back to the campaign in september?

July 15, 2008 1:58 PM

Barnacle said:

Yes, because Jay Leno does so many "he and his wife like to burn American flags and are going to put up a photo of the man who killed 3,000 Americans" jokes deftly.

You are conflating two very different things here: (1) The New Yorker cover -- an example of very dark satire; and (2) Late-night television -- where everyone but Colbert (and Stewart to a degree) does broad humor.

I can see a comparison on this topic regarding Colbert and The New Yorker, wondering why so many liberals can laugh when the former riffs on Obama but thought that the New Yorker cover crossed several lines.

But let's not call the failure of broad-joke late-night network comedy writers a serious problem with the campaign. They've had it EASY for eight years and with the exception of Stewart and Colbert, haven't made an insightful joke during that span. Leno especially has gotten used to coasting with "Bill Clinton is Horny", "George Bush is a moron" and "Dick Cheney is Satan" jokes that comedy is really a matter of rearranging the setup to reach the same-old punchline. Late night network comedy writers were given so much material by Bush, but they never really used it beyond the "Bush is dumb" meme from 2000. They have become like the humans in WALL-E -- spoiled by how easy things are to the point where they are unable to perform basic tasks.

Another theory: The easy characterizations of this campaign -- Pretty Boy,, Lady, Black Guy, Old Guy, Mormon Guy, Religious Crazy Guy, Cad Former Mayor of New York -- lead the network comedy writers in a direction that they were not willing to go (Again: Maher, Steward, Colbert have managed just fine). Because they were so caught up in the long primary and the framing of black vs. woman* -- they missed the chance to frame Barack as the Hopemonger, a characterization that seems ripe for mockery.

*What does this say about the feminist anger about how acceptable it was to make "sexist" jokes during the primary?

July 15, 2008 2:11 PM

blackton said:

come on Noam, John Stewart used to play Jesus Christ Superstar whenever they mentioned Obama. And he was relentlessly mocked here during the primaries, most of it was unfunny but not all. He is not difficult to make jokes about, he is difficult to caricature, it would take someone who had a better voice than his in order to imitate him, and Obama has wisely refrained from the sing song verse of a Jesse Jackson. Obama's poetry is rich but mainstream.

July 15, 2008 2:19 PM

bigm said:

What I found most interesting (and revelaing) about the Times article was Stewart's admission that his audience was unwilling to laugh at anything about Obama and he had to chide them for it.  I remember the reference he was talking about.  It was fairly standard stuff (for The Daily Show) where they contrasted Obama's current position on public financing with a video clip of an earlier statement.  The crowd was mortified.  The whole episode sticks out because it was so uncommon to see Obama be poked fun of on the show.

The fact is, Obama, as an imperfect politician, has lots of minor gaffes and other things that could easily be made fun of on these shows (e.g., saying he visited 57 or 58 states, emailing with Scarlett Johansen, etc.) but they don't do it.  I think they're just playing to their audience, much like that study showed that blogs do.

By the way, I don't think Jon Stewart played Jesus Christ Superstar every time they mentioned Obama.  He only did it once, in February 2007.

July 15, 2008 2:51 PM

mdichner said:

There aren't very many Obama punch lines out there... but I think Stewart was on to something when he had Obama on the show and asked him to "hope-up" a few standard political lines.

July 15, 2008 3:15 PM

icarusr said:

Agree with Blackie: If Obama is appearing too difficult to some comedians to make fun of, it is because of their lack of imagination more than anything.  His crowds, his rhetoric, his goofy ears, "Barry", the bowling, Chicago politics, one term Senate career, background in the Illinois legislature, being raised in Hawaii and Indonesia ... all of this is grist for the mill of a talented comedian.  That we are bemoaning the fact that Obama is not himself providing the materials by screwing an intern with a cigar tube or being unable to locate Brazil on a map of South America just shows how utterly sad comedians are these days.

You think George Carlin would have difficulty making fun of Obama?  

July 15, 2008 3:19 PM

miceelf said:

I'm a little young to remember, but did people make fun of Reagan before he was elected?

July 15, 2008 4:07 PM

thejauntyboulevardier said:

miccelf...

absolutely. We liberals - I was a young liberal back then - were so dismissive of him. I remember calling him Bonzo and being unable to even imagine that Reagan could be elected. Not only was he elected, giving Carter a thorough thrashing, he got re elected in a landslide only topped by the Alf Landon execution in 36.

Those elections showed me what it was truly like to realize that I belonged to a minority viewpoint. It was a good lesson to learn early in life and I am hoping that next year, when Obama helps me to remember what it feels like to be part of the majority perspective. Hopefully, those chilling and lonely days spent in the Reagan wilderness will help all of us be better majoritarians.

July 15, 2008 4:48 PM

Wandreycer1 said:

I agree with everyone, but I also have a nagging fear of the overly touchy thing.  My nature is to go easy on the identity stuff when possible.  I'll rip your guts out if you cross my line, but it is hard to do.

I just can't help but miss the guy who totally defused forever the Bill Clinton as first black President question in a debate "well, I'd have to see the man dance to decide if he really is a brother."  That was a true beauty.  Not to mention great leadership, the whole issue was over.  Basically - the gist was - let's all lighten up everyone.

I know this issue has very little in common with that one, but it was a potentially touchy race issue that simply went POOF with the right humor from Obama.  I admire him for not taking that route when his wife was involved though, big points for that.  There is no right answer on this, except that the New Yorker needs to fire its humor editor (if such a thing exists).

July 15, 2008 5:27 PM

Wandreycer1 said:

PS About that New Yorker - ya'll need to read Lizza's brilliant article on Obama.  Sad that its been overshadowed by something so hokey and lame.  I feel like I really got to know Obama better after reading it.  

July 15, 2008 5:29 PM

michael said:

I think the cover is juvenile. Either done by a kid or aimed at a kid.

It was 'Where's Waldo' or they weren't secure they could make a point with half the elements. It is the visual equivalent of me making a point in these parts. Someone with skill can do it with half the words I use.

The best cartoons are as sparse as possible because people feel insulted when they sense the artist underestimates them. Perhaps a 14 year old would need the overkill but anyone with political awareness should recoil at the number of ways the point was driven home.

If the goal was how many images could be crammed in the box? Well, they left a few out.

But clearly they thought we were too stupid to grasp the sarcasm with a minimalist approach and for that they are the person who kills a fly with a hammer. In this case the insect had landed on their head.

July 15, 2008 6:32 PM

thejauntyboulevardier said:

wandrey...

funny thing is that this issue, the 7/21 offering, will be my last of The New Yorker...

I looked into re upping my long gone SI subscription. Holy smoke! That is one expensive magazine, far richer than my paltry $44 New Yorker rebate...

I'll go buy a few gallons of gas and if there is any change, go treat myself to an elitist liberal latte...

July 15, 2008 6:54 PM

AaronBBrown said:

It's the ears guys, the ears, those sticky-outy Howdy  Doody ears. The first time I saw Barack Obama I thought he looked like a tan Howdy Doody. :-)

July 15, 2008 7:00 PM

ChanRobt said:

There is one primary reason for the comedy problem and it can be expressed in two words:  white guilt.

July 15, 2008 7:46 PM

ChanRobt said:

miceelf, re "did people make fun of Reagan before he was elected"?  My God, yes.

they said he was a second rate actor.  

They said he was a dumbass.

jack Warner said "No, no, no.  Jimmy Stewart for president.  Ronald Reagan for best man."

Ronald Reagan was the butt of all sorts of ridicule.  But, then, so was Lincoln.

And, P.S., attractive as JFK was, comedians had no problem lampooning him.

July 15, 2008 7:50 PM

GSpinks said:

"Howdy  Doody ears" - HAH.

The only problem is that McLame is the one with a puppeteer's hand up his backside...

July 15, 2008 7:53 PM

FWright said:

"There is one primary reason for the comedy problem and it can be expressed in two words:  white guilt."

Yeah, what happened to the days when comedians could tell a perfectly good nigger joke when they had to?

July 15, 2008 10:44 PM

psantillana said:

Come on Chan, you can make fun of a black guy, but just don't make fun of him because he's black, you know? THAT would be creepy and racist etc. Is that what you wish people felt freer to do?

Like, uh, the New Yorker cover. Seriously - I thought you defenders of it were insisting that the butt of the joke was the right wing media, not Obama, and now.. he's supposed to take the joke?

July 16, 2008 1:17 AM

Wandreycer1 said:

I agree psantilliana - black jokes are just unacceptable and I dread when they start floating out there again as this race heats up.

But lots of folks took offense to that cartoon specifically *because* of the clumsy racial component they saw and felt, and the fact that the liberal New Yorker people didn't even grasp that made it worse!  I mean, duh?

A Muslim friend of mine (who had been a pretty big fundraiser for Dems until recently, when both Hillary and Barack displayed such moral cowardice and threw them overboard) just about had a heart attack.

But I also think Channy is right and did not mean n***** jokes (I cannot say or even type that word), there is no use denying it  - we white liberals are scared to death of making any sort of joke about a brilliant, inspiring, dignified phenom who is African American.  It's true that he has no buffoonish qualities, but he does carry himself like a King, which, if he was white would make a wonderfully obvious material for comedians.  I keep thinking that if he was Jewish, Mel brooks would already have written a hilarious musical about him.  But a proud black man?  Nope, no way no how.  

I've always stood firmly by white guilt, as cloying as it can sometimes be.  There's not too many checks out there on privledge, at least we white people have that.

And about the only real advantage Johnnie Mac has on Obama - and it is a huge one - is his sense of humor, which is real.  The man can be hilarious and he often uses himself as a target, something Obama could no more do than speak like George Bush.  

Obama would do better by himself if he joked more than he has been, make fun of himself even.  Even Hillary was funnier than him when I saw them speak together.  Hillary took down the house a couple of times, she was really very funny.  

All in all, we Americans are doing pretty well as we all navigate our way towards a new sociological norm in this country.  Let's face it, we're all learning to talk to each other openly across race, sometimes stubbing a toe or accidentally hurting someone's feelings, getting too huffy and then calming down, but we are learning and growing - and TRYING.  

July 16, 2008 7:19 AM

Wandreycer1 said:

PS Jaunty - I could not do without my New Yorker, I'm a junkie.

July 16, 2008 7:20 AM

Wandreycer1 said:

Hurray!  I spoke too fast.  Obama finally sticks up for Muslims:

www.nydailynews.com/.../2008-07-16_untitled__cover16m-1.html

July 16, 2008 8:20 AM

aeromonas said:

I'm late to this thread, but it seems to me the occasion is ripe for another Talkback contest.  Best Barack Obama one-liner, anyone?

Come on, Bill Yard, I know you're out there...

July 16, 2008 9:39 AM

purcellneil said:

Wandrey

I think you nailed it - this is a little about cartoons and a lot about our stumbling into a new converstaion about race.  It feels awkward, and we have good reason to be careful, but silence is too careful.  

Let's hope that conversation is not stifled by the censorious impulse triggered by this cartoon.  The New Yorker isn't Imus.  Good intentions ought to count - else we are all in trouble.

Neil

July 16, 2008 9:39 AM

aeromonas said:

Here's my entry (definitely in the "broad," sub-Jay Leno category)

Didya hear how Obama's trying to portray himself as a jock?  

He bowled a 37--a THIRTY SEVEN--and now he's trying to counteract the perception that he's COMPLETELY PHYSICALLY INCOMPETENT [comic pantomimes spastic bowling motion] by reminding us that he led his high school basketball team to the state championship.  

And you know what?  It's true.  I Googled it.  Obama led the Punahou Buff n' Blue to the 1979 Hawaii state basketball championship.  

Too bad his team sounds like a gang of Southeast Asian prostitutes dressed as body-building Smurfs.

July 16, 2008 10:07 AM

Wandreycer1 said:

aero - bada bing!

Neil - thanks...I think we're all feeling our way through this pretty well, I assumed it would be so much worse.  It still could get uglier, and probably will, but the honest sharing (for better or worse) is simply a new paradigm.  

Blacks and whites are talking to each other in ways they never have before in this country.  It will have its ups and downs.  Ups: Obama's speech on race, this dialouge on the New Yorker cover.  Downs:  the egregious over-reaction to Michelle's gaffe and the continuing demonization of her for it.

July 16, 2008 10:38 AM

The Stump said:

Maureen Dowd raises some similar points about the problem that arises if people aren't comfortable

July 16, 2008 11:42 AM

ChanRobt said:

FWwright, psantiallan, there is a big difference between a racist joke about a black guy, and a joke about a guy running for president who is black.

The problem is you two and apparently an awful lot of other people, have conflated those two things and can't tell the difference.  It has come to the point that almost any criticism or joke about Obama makes people nervous because they think, somehow, that's racist.

What is racist is to create an exception for a black candidate making him beyond criticism.  Admittedly, Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton would not find such immunity.  

But, Obama, because he does have many excellent qualities, has emerged already as a kind of secular saint.  An American political figure becoming like Mother Teresa.

While I can understand the impulse, it does derive from white guilt.  And, it is very unhealthy.  It will become frighteningly should Obama win the presidency and this unnatural deference continue.  

Presidents ought not be sainted while they are still in office.  Or, even while they're still alive afterwards.

July 16, 2008 3:06 PM

esmense said:

FWright --

White guilt is of course a form of racism. It's detriments a little harder to see (and of course never recognized by its practitioners who are in deep denial of their own racism and busy projecting that denied racism onto everyone else) than the more overt kind, but perhaps more significant because it is the form of racism embraced by those with the most institutional power.

July 16, 2008 3:21 PM

The Plank said:

Obama’s ability to take a joke was questioned again today in a Maureen Dowd column. Noam objected to

July 16, 2008 5:47 PM