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08.06.2008
The Ballad of Mark Penn

It's funny how, in the Times worthwhile behind-the-scenes account of the Clinton campaign, the ideas rejected because they would have worsened an already bad situation were almost always Mark Penn's:

At one point, Mr. Penn argued that Mrs. Clinton should find subtle ways to exploit what he called Mr. Obama’s “lack of American roots,” referring to his Kenyan father and his childhood years in Indonesia and even the offshore state of Hawaii, the campaign officials said. Mr. Penn recommended that Mrs. Clinton own the word “American” — she should talk about the “American century” and her “American Strategic Energy Fund,” and so forth. She should add flag symbols to her logo, he suggested. ...

Mr. Penn pushed to go after Mr. Obama more directly for his association with the minister, the Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr., but Howard Wolfson, the communications director, Mandy Grunwald, the media chief, and others resisted. ...

The next day, though, Democratic supporters in Congress pressed her on a conference call to give up quickly. She gave in, hung up and asked top advisers to prepare a plan to withdraw. They met with her at campaign headquarters, where every member of her inner circle recommended she pull out and endorse Mr. Obama without preconditions or negotiations — every member except Mr. Penn, who said she should hold out for concessions.

But Mrs. Clinton was, at last, ready to call it quits and switch focus to the general election, two aides recalled. “Let’s get on with it,” she said.

The Times also had this precious, if perhaps unsurprising, detail:

Election night [in Pennsylvania] brought home the varied complex personal and political dynamics at play. Mr. Penn, once the most influential voice in the Clinton universe, showed up at campaign headquarters outside Washington to watch the returns but virtually no one would talk with him and he left early.

Update: Penn appears on the Times op-ed page today with something of a counterpoint. In a nutshell, he argues that his strategy was basically a success--that, if anything, the Clintons should have listened to him more. And that his colleagues (presumably Harold Ickes and Patti Solis Doyle) should have done their jobs better:

Are there a lot of other things the campaign could have done differently? Of course. We should have taken on Mr. Obama more directly and much earlier, and we needed a different kind of operation to win caucuses and to retain the support of superdelegates. From more aggressively courting young people earlier to mobilizing the full power of women, there are things that could have been done differently.

While everyone loves to talk about the message, campaigns are equally about money and organization. Having raised more than $100 million in 2007, the Clinton campaign found itself without adequate money at the beginning of 2008, and without organizations in a lot of states as a result. Given her successes in high-turnout primary elections and defeats in low-turnout caucuses, that simple fact may just have had a lot more to do with who won than anyone imagines.

Not sure this is going to solve his "no one would talk with him" problem at that next Clinton campaign reunion... 

Also, there's this curious graf:

The Clintons have spent their lives fighting as much as any leaders in their generation for greater equality across racial and gender lines. I believe nothing they said was ever intended to divide the country by race. Any suggestion to the contrary was perhaps the greatest injustice done to them in this campaign.

Well, maybe. But, as that other Times piece points out, it's not like Penn didn't try to get them to play the race card.

--Noam Scheiber

Posted: Sunday, June 08, 2008 1:20 PM with 33 comment(s)

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huntlib said:

What the f*** is this racist piece of s*** doing working for a Democrat?

What the f*** was Clinton thinking in hiring this racist piece of s***?

June 8, 2008 1:58 PM

dbhuff said:

and he is still owed 5m for this wonderful advice. I expect he's run his last campaign (at least for Dems)

June 8, 2008 2:09 PM

skipper2379 said:

Yes, any Democrat who hires Penn in the future is a Democrat who should not be supported.

June 8, 2008 2:23 PM

WoodyBombay said:

Was Penn around for Bill Clinton's '92 campaign? Because if he made his bones solely on running the '96 campaign, well ... my dog could have piloted Clinton to re-election in '96 as campaign manager.

June 8, 2008 2:25 PM

liberal reformer said:

I love how cavalier people can be about the past. History is lived forward but written backward; cheap pundit-bloggery is, too. The Appetite had extremely high negatives going into the 1996 election and his reelection was not an automatic proposition. It is true that Bob Dole was not an appealing candidate and ran a clunker of a campaign but it is always easy to piggyback on hindsight.

I read about Mr. Penn's rejected campaign advice in this morning's paper. What Penn urged on Hillary was just disgusting. He should be banished to the political equivalent of Siberia.

June 8, 2008 2:42 PM

AlanSP said:

Mark Penn has spent the last year or so doing everything he can to prove just how stunningly incompetent he is at his job.  First he wrote Microtrends to destroy his credibility as a pollster, ( see www.inthesetimes.com/.../trending_towards_inanity ), then he spent the primary campaign showing how bad he is at every other aspect of his job, from messaging (e.g. the "states that matter" argument), to strategy (he notoriously thought that California's delegates were winner-take-all), to simply interacting with his coworkers.  He even came with his own scandal.  And he got paid millions to do it.  He's the poster boy for everything that people criticize about the political consultant industry.

June 8, 2008 3:02 PM

lymon1 said:

The best take on Clinton in "The Times" is Mark Helperin -- Hillary lost because she lost two parts of Bill Clinton's coallition -- she kept the others.  These groups were "white, highly educated, refrom-minded Democratic elites" who went for Tsongas in 1992 and Bill Bradley in 2000.  The second were African-Americans.  Halperin correctly writes that a "thick book" could be written about the campaign's blunders, but ultimately it lost because of two groups: one who never liked the Clintons and another who did until now.  

June 8, 2008 3:05 PM

AlanSP said:

Woody, Penn wasn't around for the '92 campaign.  Prior to this year, Clinton's '96 campaign was the only national campaign he had run, which makes you wonder how he could possibly get away with charging such exorbitant fees.

June 8, 2008 3:07 PM

WoodyBombay said:

I love how cavalier people can be with their snide rejoinders, without even knowing exactly how smart my dog is, or even which of my two dogs I'm talking bout.

Thanks for your reply, Alan.

June 8, 2008 3:13 PM

liberal reformer said:

Snideness is a as snideness does. As smart as your canines are, they do not have the gift of language , so mounting a national campaign would be difficult for them.

June 8, 2008 3:25 PM

ironyroad said:

Exactly, WoodyB.  I was just about to say, I think I saw an interview with the particular dog concerned on c-span.  He seemed to be a bit regretful about not having had the chance, but was essentially pretty philosophical about it all.  I thought he and Brian Lamb seemed to have a pretty good rapport, incidentally.

June 8, 2008 3:30 PM

liberal reformer said:

Ironyroid: It is more than nice to see you taking in a liitle culture, at long last.

June 8, 2008 3:48 PM

icarusr said:

LR: oh dear, oh dear ... you're just hitting out at everyone these days.  Calm down.  The Primaries are over.  Unless you are a Penn-fanatic, chill.  The man is odious; and to attack others here in his defence is just - silly.

June 8, 2008 5:24 PM

michael said:

It will be great if/when Michelle Cottle is able to attach names to her sources for reports from the fringes of Hillaryland. Maybe she broke through the fence but people seemed too terrified to be seen speaking with her. That was 'real time' and as bad as it was people are more candid and honest when they aren't looking back at the destruction.  Now, any book by (name a person) will be a preemptive strike for the person first to print and retaliation for everyone else.

I doubt this bit about Penn is close to the final word and while he won't look much better regardless who is telling his story, we won't see a tale of him against a bunch of heroes.

No, not smart to have a team who has too many people that aren't allowed to take ownership in a cause. Demanding people work in secrecy is begging for trouble. Or as a great line from 'French Kiss'..."Fester and boil"  

Too much money + too little trust = means and opportunity for mutiny.

People can question Barack's experience as an executive but most organizations succeed or fail because of the person at the top. It will make great reading and everyone will have a target to point at but only one person in Hillaryland aspired to be in charge of the USA.  So someone has to explain to me why this cast from Comedy Central would have had what it takes ----- once they took office.

June 8, 2008 6:00 PM

blackton said:

Funny, I thought the greatest injustice done to them was Hillary not getting the nomination due to the sexist media. I was wrong, it seems they were both Saints and Martyrs. Well, I shall say 3 Hail Hillary's as penance.

I will defend Mark Penn. William Penn was a great American and Mark Penn has the same last name as him, in addition my cousin Mark is a really nice guy, so add the two together and you have a really nice American.

June 8, 2008 6:34 PM

blackton said:

AlanSP, great link and speaking as a Left Hander, I must now add that Mark Penn is indeed a misunderstood god.

“I suspect the lefty boom will bring a surge in the promotion of sheer creative energy,” Penn writes, “driven by an idea that is at the heart of this book—that small groups of people, sharing common experiences, can increasingly be drawn together to rally for their interests.” I was shocked—Penn was speaking admirably of “lefties,” not trying to recast them as moderates, not trying to write them out of the party? He was endorsing open-source politics, rather than a top-down structure? I had misjudged the man!

I read on. Penn was talking about actual lefties—people who are born left-handed. Increasingly grim, I absorbed the first hard blows of Penn’s interpretative technique: “More lefties,” he enthuses, “could mean more military innovation: Famous military leaders from Charlemagne to Alexander the Great to Julius Caesar to Napoleon—as well as Colin Powell and Norman Schwarzkopf—were left-handed.”

As I might also add, was Leonardo Da Vinci, Barack Obama, Bill Clinton, George (papa) Bush, and Jesus Christ were also lefties.

June 8, 2008 6:40 PM

WoodyBombay said:

Thanks, irony. I thought he sort of blew that interview when he licked himself and then tried to eat a paper napkin.

June 8, 2008 6:47 PM

icarusr said:

Woody - for one second - just for one second - I thought you were talking about Penn.  And the picture flashed in front of my eyes: Penn licking himself ... disgust, hilarity and understanding cascaded upon me in that one second, laptop fell off my lap, coffee all over the Persian carpet, tears rolling down my eyes ... thanks, you (and indirectly Irony, and my own thickheadedness) made my day ...

June 8, 2008 7:02 PM

blackton said:

from www-personal.umd.umich.edu/.../lefthanded.html

Jesus was left-handed. It is stated in the bible the Jesus sitteth at the right hand of God. That is because God is also left handed. Now some right-handers may say, (imagine snooty, right-hander voice here) "Well. If God was left-handed, and so was His Son, then why does Jesus sit at God's RIGHT hand?" This is, of course, backwards, right-hander logic. But we must excuse them for lesser intellect.

The OBVIOUS reason why Jesus sits on God's right hand is so they don't bump elbows when they eat. Duh.

June 8, 2008 7:07 PM

scire said:

McCain is also left-handed.

June 8, 2008 7:09 PM

scire said:

And George Bush 41 and Ross Perot (lefties, that is).

June 8, 2008 7:09 PM

icarusr said:

Michael: with Bill in South Carolina, two things happened to change my mind about Mrs. Clinton.  First, there was the Jesse Jackson quip, which was unforgiveable.  Second, it was the fact that Mrs. Clinton allowed the former Prez to freelance in this way.  

It reminded me of my local sandwich shop in Rome: there'd be five people behind the counter, working furiously; twenty people in front, yelling out orders; and nothing getting done (well, eventually it did, when half the clients left).  The problem was not that people weren't working, but management, pure and simple.  You see the pattern everywhere in the region.  Penn was an oinker; Solis Doyle, to all accounts, was aloof and a horrible manager; Wolfson was lousy at getting the message out; Lying Davis simply made the whole enterprise look sleazy and grimy ... well, who assembled the team?  Who led it?  Who gave it direction, and a fighting spirit?  Go to the top.  That was the second reason: lack of effective management.

Having said this, I note that the most managed campaign of all was that of W, so clearly having a good campaign manager is not the same thing as running a good government, but a dysfunction campaign is certainly not sending the right signals.

June 8, 2008 7:12 PM

liberal reformer said:

Icarusrt: Don't you have lesson plans to work on? The primaries are indeed over and in case it escaped your notice, I stopped supporting Hillary before they came to an end. That makes the Obamaphiles intolerance of me all the more revealing because I am definitely not, say, sleepavl. You people never take on your own kind. Concerning their posts, it is just a joke, it is mere hyperbole. If I were twice what I am but an Obamaphile, you would not only not attempt to lecture me but you very likely would be cheering me on, after the high-school locker room fashion that is so common here. Yes, the primaries are over but the locker-room menatility isn't. Go lecture your unfortunate students.

June 8, 2008 7:13 PM

miceelf said:

This makes me feel sorry for Sen. Clinton. She really got cheated, badly. I hope she knows it.

And, more generally, she seems to have been unfortunate in that she had a lot of prominent supporters who, when they had dug themselves into a hole, instead of taking some STFU, went on a digging expedition. Up until now, the most prominent examples were BIll and Geraldine. But now we have a third.

How does Penn look in the mirror?

June 8, 2008 7:38 PM

adaglas said:

"How does Penn look in the mirror?"

Well, he usually has to stand pretty far back to fit completely.

Low blow I know.  It's my curse.

June 8, 2008 8:09 PM

michael said:

When I wrote, "People can question Barack's experience as an executive but most organizations succeed or fail because of the person at the top.", I wasn't referring to anyone below Obama.  

I agree that Bush (and other organizations) could be cited as 'well managed'. But was W leading or following?

I don't consider Bush's management skills impacted either his campaigns or the years that followed. Rove? Yeah, he deserves credit for 'good enough to win and a failure to manage that which was gained'.

Sure, Rove could find and deliver the 51% necessary to win an election. That is a necessary standard in a campaign and not sufficient in terms of executing a policy that only dares to be challenged. Bush didn't have to veto legislation or push ideas that were outside his frame of the 50+1%. There was a vast difference between Rove delivering an election and executing policies that were in the best interest of the nation. Regardless, Bush did not show executive prowess in either phase and playing 'not to lose' meant he would achieve little..

June 8, 2008 8:31 PM

blackton said:

typical adaglas, always fixated on other guys crotches.

June 8, 2008 9:40 PM

icarusr said:

Mice: You know Goldfinger's rule of three: "The first time is happenstance. The second time is coincidence. The third time, Mr. Bond - the third time, it's enemy action."

Modify the rule to fit political campaigns: the first problem is an unforunate accident; the second problem, she's being cheated; the third problem - why, it's rank incompetence.  Penn, Solis Doyle, Davis, Bill ... the list goes on.  Mrs. Clinton was not cheated (not by her staff, not by Obama, not by the Rules Committee).  She was hostage to a mentality that dates back to the Primary Colors days.  She had the chance to break out of it in the Senate; she had the chance to break out of it facing Obama (and his historic campaign).  She chose loyalty over competence; divisiveness over inspiration; dragging down her opponent over selling herself - I'm sorry, she has no one to blame but herself on this one.

I am sad, and not just because I used to think of her fondly (her husband is another matter).  Her Sat speech was gracious and I hope she acts on it.  But was she cheated?  No.

LR: Do you remember your first or second day on TNR, and how Jackson ripped into you over some trivial point?  How you mentioned that you had a disability and that your GF (now, fiancée, I guess - congrats) set you up and so on - and that you could not understand his hostility?  You remember I stepped in to defend you and got a blast from Jackson for my trouble?  I did not know you; I did not know whether you were a Clinton or an Obama supporter; I just knew that Jackson's attack was unfair.  And I stepped in to defend you.  That is the kind of person I am - and, in fact, this is how a lot of people react here.  Obama or Clinton supporter - we all try to maintain a certain standard of - yes, civility, and rational discourse.

Yes, I noted that you are no longer a Clinton supporter.  That means exactly nothing.  You continue to use the "Obambi" language, and continue your ridiulous ad hominems.  And if you had been paying attention, a lot of "Obamaphiles" have been calling for calm and unity and so on, and many (including myself) have noted their approval of Mrs. Clinton's speech.  No, if people are dumping on you, it's because of your comportment, and not because of your support for a candidate.

If anything, your reference to my "unfortunate students" is proof of what is wrong with your posts.  I have said nothing about your "unfortunte finacée" who has to put up with you, or your "unfortunate colleagues" who have to deal with you on a daily basis ... etc.  And of course, you know sweet bugger all about me or my students.  So this kind of attack just demonstrates your own pathologies.

One thing I can tell you: from now on, I will simply ignore anything you have to say.  If you had any sense at all, you'd figure out that this is the ultimate insult I can hurl your way.  Good evening.

June 8, 2008 10:06 PM

icarusr said:

adaglas: it was a trick question.  He can never look into a mirror: he'll simply break it if he did.

June 8, 2008 10:07 PM

arsonplus said:

I see a Penn/Morris hour in the future of Fox News

June 8, 2008 10:07 PM

fougasseu said:

Who was HIllary's Rove? Penn? Wolfson? Grunwald? Is Penn trying to be the "Rove" on this thing, the phoenix from the ashes, the go-to guy for the cable shows?

June 9, 2008 12:11 PM

liberal reformer said:

Icarusr: There are definitely double standards out here, as everywhere in the world. I have run across them time and again out here. There were Clinton supporters who were similarly unfair. I have called some of the latter down before. I have noticed that never ever do Obamaphiles rebuke their own kind for excesses. All this has caused me to be a bit hair-trigger and I apologize for my intemperate remarks that were directed your way.

June 9, 2008 12:32 PM

The Stump said:

As long as everyone (including me ) is bashing Mark Penn, it's worth pointing out one thing he may

June 9, 2008 6:43 PM