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COLUMNISTS
TODAY'S STORIES
28.04.2008
McCain, Obama, and the Bitter Bloc

TNR alum Reihan Salam has a sharp piece in the Weekly Standard about how working-class whites would figure into a McCain-Obama match-up. Interestingly for a conservative (but not surprisingly for Reihan), he argues that McCain should try to make inroads with these voters on economic (as opposed to cultural) issues, something I'm skeptical McCain can pull off given how little the subject seems to interest him. That said, if Jeremiah Wright keeps doing his thing, he may not need to muster much enthusiasm for economics.

Anyway, all of that was just a long way of getting to one of the more interesting points Reihan makes, which I've actually heard the Obama campaign make a version of:

A number of analysts have attributed strong Latino support for Hillary Clinton to a deep-seated antagonism towards black Americans, an antagonism some Obama partisans have gone so far as to suggest has been stoked by the Clintons. There is no doubt some truth to this notion. Latinos and native-born blacks have clashed in urban politics, particularly in California where Latino political power has arguably surpassed that of black voters. But what if Latino voters are simply mirroring the preferences of similarly situated Anglo voters? Given that Latino voters by definition represent the most assimilated slice of the Latino population, it makes sense that, say, non-college-educated Latinos would parallel non-college-educated whites in preferring Clinton to Obama. And if that's true, it suggests that the demographic decline of the white working class is an illusion--it will be remade as an Anglo-Latino white working class, just as conceptions of whiteness grew to include previous waves of immigrants. Latino distinctiveness will likely endure on certain issues, particularly on immigration. Yet that distinctiveness will fade.

It's certainly possible that working-class Latinos are roughly emulating the voting behavior of working-class whites. But, if so, that's probably even better news for Obama than McCain--hence the Obama campaign's enthusiasm for the hypothesis. Voters preoccupied with their tenuous economic position Obama can win over, even if the evidence so far hasn't been encouraging. Voters who just don't like black people would obviously be something of a lost cause.

--Noam Scheiber

Posted: Monday, April 28, 2008 2:51 PM with 8 comment(s)

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esmense said:

In the "everyone's a racist" (except me and my friends) narrative of Obama supporters and members of our cultural elite, Right or Left, there is probably no reason to expect anyone to give any thought to other reasons why Hispanics may support Hillary in greater numbers than some other communities and demographics but let me suggest just one (of a probable many); cultural attitudes that are more receptive to female leadership.

Over the last few years, long before Obama was ever in the picture, I've had several conversations with Hispanic men who were quite enthusiastic about Hillary Clinton. At first, viewing it through, I admit, stereotyped ideas about "macho" latin men, I was surprised by this. But, as one man explained to me, it reflects very different cultural ideas about power. Hispanic culture sees power as both male and female (while our Anglo culture sees power as almost exclusively male) -- and believes that expressions of both "types" of power are important  to the life of a nation. This most likely explains why, despite the fact that many South American and other Hispanic countries have cultures that appear "traditional," with less "equal" gender participation in education and the economy than our own, they have been much more receptive to female leaders than the US,

April 28, 2008 3:20 PM

naomi88 said:

"This most likely explains why, despite the fact that many South American and other Hispanic countries have cultures that appear "traditional," with less "equal" gender participation in education and the economy than our own, they have been much more receptive to female leaders than the US."

Yeah, but 3 out of 4 American Latinos are from Mexico, Cuba or Puerto Rico, and I've never heard  of a tradition of female leaders in any of those countries (territory).

April 28, 2008 4:14 PM

JackR said:

naomi88 - actually, ther is a tradition of female leadership in Puerto Rico.  From 1947 to 1968, an incredible 21 year run, Felisa Rincon de Gautier was mayor of San Juan.  Sila Maria Calderon was mayor of San Juan from 1997 to 2000 and became Governor of Puerto Rico from 2000 to 2005.  I mention this not necessarily to support esmense' s theory, but just to set the record straight on Puerto Rico.

April 28, 2008 5:05 PM

JEFF FREY said:

But for McCain to make inroads with working class voters on economic issues, he would mostly have to reverse his economic policies. He might make some inroads by pandering on gas tax cuts, but that is a terrible long-term idea unless the loss to transportation funds are made up some other way.

April 28, 2008 6:01 PM

Wandreycer1 said:

esmense - I lived in Mexico for years and the idea that latin cultures are somehow more open to women in power is a total joke.  

It also reduces the friends you mention - Hispanic Americans? Mexican? Argentian? Columbian? Venezualan? Cuban? First generation? Second? Third?  Fourth? Each generations has its own dynamics, as do each country.  Your generalities seem concocted to fit your semi-hidden but totally obvious complaining about the supposed sexism stopping your gal in this mean old anglo country.  

America is hundreds, if not thousands of years younger than any of the countries you presumably mean. There is nothing stopping a woman from being elected to any of these countries, especially ours. Perhaps when the right women comes along, this country will elect her, as have other countries.

April 28, 2008 6:10 PM

naomi88 said:

JackR, thank you for correcting me. I hadn't heard about Ms. Rincon.

So that means about  9% of American Latinos are from a place more receptive to female leaders than the U.S.  

April 28, 2008 8:36 PM

JEFF FREY said:

Well, Chile and Argentina currently have female leaders, Nicaragua did in the past, and there may have been others I'm forgetting. So actually Latin American countries in general have been pretty receptive to a female President/Prime Minister, despite the general machismo of the male culture.

April 28, 2008 10:42 PM

teplukhin2you said:

La Malinche was nobody's patsy.

April 29, 2008 3:35 AM