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25.04.2008
The Upshot of Indiana's Cherry Red-ness

Dan Balz's take on the Indiana primary got me thinking about a subtle advantage Obama has in the state: Even though it's somewhat similar demographically to two of the states he's lost by large margins--Ohio and Pennsylvania--it's also overwhelmingly Republican. For Obama, the beauty of this is that there probably isn't an especially strong statewide Democratic machine that can swing into action for Hillary. Meanwhile, the Obama campaign tends to excel at organizing virgin territory (territory that borders his home state, no less).

It's true that Hillary has the endorsement of Evan Bayh, the most powerful Democrat in the state. But, as Eve pointed out in this post, and several commenters have observed since then, senators rarely have the machines that governors and mayors have--they spend too much time in Washington to cultivate one, and they don't have the same local patronage jobs to dole out. I'd guess Bayh is even less influential than most senators, machine-wise, since so many of his voters every time out are Republicans. I doubt they take many cues from him.

On an unrelated note, Balz also makes a point along the lines of my post yesterday on that McCain Obama memo: Indiana, he writes, "is neither a carbon copy of Ohio and Pennsylvania--whose demographics and political culture were favorable to Clinton--nor is it Wisconsin, whose demographics were similar to Ohio and Pennsylvania but whose political culture is not [emphasis added]."

I think when a point like this (about Wisconsin) has become so widely accepted it's asserted in passing by a major mainstream journalist, you can't just casually assert the opposite, as McCain campaign manager Rick Davis did. That's not to say something is right just because Dan Balz endorses it. (Far from it.) Just that there's some onus on you to prove it wrong.

Not that I expect that kind of intellectual honesty from a Rick Davis campaign memo...

--Noam Scheiber

Posted: Friday, April 25, 2008 11:28 AM with 12 comment(s)

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bsdespain said:

Hoops connection? Why isn't anyone talking about the fact that Obama plays basketball is a big plus for him? Not only that he's a pretty good passer and defender.

April 25, 2008 11:56 AM

virginiacentrist said:

Yeah seriously. If we bothered with every Republican memo, we'd all be crazy.

April 25, 2008 12:14 PM

adaglas said:

Mellencamp + Basketball = Hearts and minds of Indianans.

April 25, 2008 12:20 PM

bsdespain said:

"Indianans"? I hope that was an attempt at humor. It is after all the Hoosier state.

BSD

April 25, 2008 12:37 PM

dcshungu said:

Here he goes again! Dr. Pangloss, I presume? LOL...

April 25, 2008 4:30 PM

stgla said:

Gary and East Chicago are Obama's home turf.  Where else do IN Democrats live?

April 25, 2008 5:19 PM

Gavriel Meir-Levi said:

May the Good Lord keep Rush Limpo and his prankster cross-over voters out of this one.

April 25, 2008 5:33 PM

tjlinko said:

You're absolutely right Noam, and I've been thinking about this when commentators have been comparing Hillary's support from Bayh in Indiana to that of Strickland in Ohio or Rendell in Penn. It's night and day.

I lived in Indiana for 4 yrs (South Bend) and was involved in politics while there, and the very idea of a Democratic machine in the state is almost comical. I will point out that, while Bayh is a sitting Senator, he WAS the Governor there (and a wildly popular one) so he's tied into whatever Democratic political appuratus there is. it just aint much.

If you look at the pattern that has held throughout most of this race, whenever Obama comes in and goes up with heavy advertising and appearances, the numbers move his way by about 6-10 points. Happened, in California, happened in Ohio, Tx, Pennslyvania.  In those states, he started so far behind that the movement didn't catch him all the way up. Just cut Hillary's margin. But in Indiana, he's already dead even (or even slightly ahead) two weeks out. Which looks to me like bad news, especially without a party machine to hold down his margins in the cities and college towns.

I think Obama wins there by about 5-6 points.

Of course, watch. By the time May 6 gets here, the Clinton spin machine will have the media flapping that Obama's been the favorite here forever (neighbor to illinois, outspent 3-1) so if she even "comes close" it's a win for her. You know that's going to happen.

April 25, 2008 8:15 PM

bcbaird said:

stgla  said:

"Gary and East Chicago are Obama's home turf.  Where else do IN Democrats live?"

Uh, crappy parts of Indianapolis?

The last time I visited, there were no shortage of those.

April 25, 2008 8:20 PM

michael said:

I am a Hoosier.  And yes, Democrats are scarce as every presidential election in 40 years has shown. I'm fairly certain that Indiana is usually the first state 'projected' to go with the Republican candidate.

Indiana is as red as any state south of...Indiana. The anti-Obama vote will be strong and some think that Evan will be the VP which dilutes the remaining sanity.

The good news?  The governor [R] is up, he isn't popular in the North (he SOLD the Indiana Toll Road) & it will be more difficult to peel off votes for an anti-Obama effect.  It may have come to the point when even Republicans and aging Dems realize it's over and it's more of a 'wasted vote' to give her any extra life and they'll put a nail in the coffin.  

Maybe.  I am surprised it's even close because a few weeks ago Indiana would have fallen in with the other anti-Obama primary voters and (those Dems who intend to support McCain in the Fall) would take a tactical strike to weaken Obama.  But it is possible that an older Democrat (one who hasn't voted for the national ticket since LBJ) would prefer to finish off the Clintons.

Again, if Bayh wasn't hoodwinked a year ago he'd be with the majority of the legislature who is w/Barack and he's probably the youngest office holder carrying water for the Clintons.

No, Indiana won't be easy for Obama but it may be the closest (and the toughest) faux-blue state where he stands a chance. With Bayh, racism and the willingness to hurt any Democrat with a chance?  Yeah, she should and could have piled up at least a dozen to 15 points on him.  If I were her and had to pick a place and a time to spank him...no, not Indiana...not this year.

April 25, 2008 9:55 PM

guptatomic1 said:

While I don't disagree w/ the gen'l thrust of the argument (except to say that the Obama apologetics at TNR have me coming back less and less), it might do you some good to acknowledge that Bayh WAS governor (and an immensely popular one at that), that his father before him was also incredibly popular, that after Dick Lugar he's probably the most beloved politician in the state, too -- look, I can't speak to his "machine," or lack of one, but arguing Evan Bayh can't sway votes in the Hoosier Heartland is a lot like saying W's opinion don't count for much in Texas -- he's so far away and all...

April 26, 2008 10:35 AM

odanuki1 said:

I predict Obama wins Indiana by 5.  The bulk of Democratic voters live in the NW and Marion County (Indianapolis), and a nice chunk of young voters and progressives in Bloomington; these are areas he should win by substantial margins.  There are also some white, working class and rural Dems elsewhere in the state who will go to Clinton (if trends continue).  However, my sense of the state, as a lifelong Hoosier, is that people here generally dislike Hillary.  That, coupled with a recent poll showing Obama over McCain by 8 in the state should help persuade the undecideds to his side.

April 26, 2008 11:28 AM