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16.04.2008
Hillary: "Screw 'Em"

Hillary is clearly going to take some grief for this. It's worth noting, however, contra the Huffington Post's misleading* headline claiming that Hillary was referring to "working class whites," what she was (apparently--based on the excerpt in the HuffPo story) talking about specifically were the Southern "angry white males" who had just voted in a GOP Congress that would torment the Clintons for the next six years. She was understandably furious and wounded about that--and was making a point about tit-for-tat politics, not American culture generally.

That said, it guarantees an unpleasant moment at tonight's debate, at a minimum. And as I think some of my colleagues are already blogging, Obama supporters are going to treat it as welcome karmic payback for her attacks on Obama as an elitist, even if the glove doesn't quite fit.

*It's the HuffPo home page hed that's misleading; the article page itself more responsibly specifies "Southern" working class whites. Update: The headline now refers to "Southern Working Class Whites." Kudos to them for changing it.

Update: Esteemed TNR contributor Alan Wolfe was present at the meeting in question and confirms the account.

--Michael Crowley

Posted: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 5:00 PM with 9 comment(s)

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WoodyBombay said:

Hold the phone! You're telling me Hillary might be a hypocritical demagogue who is just as guilty - or more so - of the charges she hurls at Obama as he is?

I don't think I'll be able to get to sleep tonight.

(My prediction, btw, is that Obama knocks the "bitter" stuff out of the park tonight.)

April 16, 2008 5:10 PM

boneill said:

Oh, God.  It was from 1995.  Who cares?

April 16, 2008 5:11 PM

lymon1 said:

Not to mention they aren't the same thing -- it's one thing to talk about their politics and another to call them psychologically damaged and/or racist.  Here's an analogy -- which stings more?

James Baker: "F*** the Jews, they don't vote for us anyway"

James Baker: "F*** the Jews, because of their history they have become irrational on Israel and racist against the Arabs."

April 16, 2008 5:34 PM

AlanSP said:

Seriously.  Who cares about a comment she made 13 years ago?

April 16, 2008 5:34 PM

timteeter said:

Actually, there are two articles at HuffPo on this subject, and they both make the same points, namely that (a) Hillary posing as the avatar of the small town values of Reagan Democrats is laughable, and (b) the guy whom Obama sounds the most like in his "bitter" comments is---you guessed it---Bill Clinton.  In fact, (b) has been the case for much of the campaign.

Also, the use of "southern" hardly makes any difference to the story here, since it was James Carville who famously claimed that PA is Pittsburgh and Philadelphia with Alabama in between.

April 16, 2008 5:56 PM

ilnoca said:

Alan, I imagine those would be the same people who dug back to Obama's teenage and kindergarten years in their flailing attempts to discredit him...

Kidding aside, they aren't really relevant or revealing anything new; they just seem to add to the (seemingly more-and-more justified) caricature of HRC being a cynical politician whose defense of others is nothing more than a means to an end.

April 16, 2008 6:04 PM

The Plank said:

Alan Wolfe, a professor of political science and director of the Boisi Center for Religion and American

April 16, 2008 6:04 PM

sdemuth said:

The notion that Clinton is an obviously better bet for working class whites (or any other race) is ludicrous on its face.   But, come on folks, a comment made in a private meeting 13 years ago?   There are issues facing this country folks - important ones like the economy, energy, climate, Russia, China, ..... - who give's a sh** what she said 13 years ago, or he said 4 days ago on this topic.  

I don't.  I do want to hear a debate something substantive.

April 16, 2008 6:12 PM

austinexpat said:

"Even if the glove doesn't quite fit?"  If lumping in Barack Obama with Jesse Jackson is classless and gauche and playing the race card in an unacceptable fashion, what would you call lumping him in with O.J. Simpson, for Pete's sake?

(Unless you meant to lump Hillary Clinton in with O.J. Simpson, as the structure of the sentence would also allow for that possibility, weak though it is.)

Either way, that's a bit too vicious a slam to go uncommented on.  Even for a tossed-off reference, there are about six hundred better ways to say what you wanted to say there, Mr. Crowley.

April 17, 2008 2:16 PM

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