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30.03.2008
Did Obama Blow It With Edwards?

I have no reason to doubt John Heilemann's account of Obama's two meetings with Elizabeth and John Edwards after Edwards ended his campaign. But, like Mike Allen, I'm skeptical that that's the reason Edwards hasn't endorsed Obama.

Heilemann writes:

But now two months have passed since Edwards dropped out—tempus fugit!—and still no endorsement. Why? According to a Democratic strategist unaligned with any campaign but with knowledge of the situation gleaned from all three camps, the answer is simple: Obama blew it. Speaking to Edwards on the day he exited the race, Obama came across as glib and aloof. His response to Edwards’s imprecations that he make poverty a central part of his agenda was shallow, perfunctory, pat. Clinton, by contrast, engaged Edwards in a lengthy policy discussion. Her affect was solicitous and respectful. When Clinton met Edwards face-to-face in North Carolina ten days later, her approach continued to impress; she even made headway with Elizabeth. Whereas in his Edwards sit-down, Obama dug himself in deeper, getting into a fight with Elizabeth about health care, insisting that his plan is universal (a position she considers a crock), high-handedly criticizing Clinton’s plan (and by extension Edwards’s) for its insurance mandate.

Again, it's entirely possible that this happened. Still, my sources said the reasons Edwards didn't endorse Obama shortly after dropping out were as follows:

Edwards likes Obama personally, thinks he really intends to change the status quo, but isn't convinced he's ready to be president* and has concerns about whether he's tough enough to take on the GOP. (I'm told the second concern looms larger than the first.) On the other hand, Edwards is lukewarm on Hillary personally, doesn't think she'd change much of anything, but thinks she'll really pummel the GOP. As for Elizabeth, it sounds like she's just as conflicted. I've heard she's even more down on Hillary, but is also impressed by Hillary's willingness/ability to kick GOP ass.

Reading between the lines, I got the impression Edwards's calculations were mostly dictated by--surprise!--self-interest. Early on, he wasn't sure Obama was tough enough to beat Hillary. Or to reassure voters and superdelegates that he'd be able to win the general. And what good does it do you to endorse a guy who's going to lose?

Since then, Obama's obviously become the favorite to win the Democratic nomination, which has changed Edwards's calculus. The risk is no longer endorsing a guy who may lose. (At least in the primaries.) It's that you won't get credit for helping Obama win. Endorsing Obama at this point would basically mean jumping on a bandwagon, and there's no percentage in that. So I'm guessing Edwards is biding his time until there's a moment when his endorsement would matter--for example, when it could help bump Hillary from the race. (Say, after a loss in the North Carolina primary.)

For what it's worth, I do agree with Heilemann that the problem for Democrats who want the primary over soon is that there just isn't anyone out there with the stature or credibility to tell Hillary to quit. That is, except for her own supporters. Which, as Heilemann says, could be the ones who ultimately nudge her aside.

--Noam Scheiber

Posted: Sunday, March 30, 2008 4:17 PM with 33 comment(s)

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matthawk said:

I would go with all three explanations: Obama is not specific enough on poverty, other than mobilizing the grassroots (which is actually something that I like); Edwards is concerned that Obama is not ruthless enough to kick GOP ass (this was a criticism Edwards repeatedly made in the latter part of his campaign and that he suffered first hand through the Kerry campaign in the general election); and Edwards is calculating for self-interest to give support when it would really make a difference yet when it is certain that there will be no more Wright-like surprises that could derail the Obama campaign. I think an Edwards endorsement would be the final nail in the Hillary coffin. But, vampire-like, she may yet rise again in the dead of night.

March 30, 2008 5:51 PM

WoodyBombay said:

Edwards thinking Obama isn't ready to be president is high irony, indeed. What's next - Bob Knight saying McCain is too much of a hothead to be president?

March 30, 2008 6:09 PM

lymon1 said:

I think Edwards wanted to endorse Clinton for the semi-personal reasons Heilemann writes about, but correctly perceived that she has little chance of winning and he'd be better off staying neutral.

Woody: takes one to know one?  

March 30, 2008 6:21 PM

ralphnelle said:

I don't buy any of this.

Obama has proven to be a master of timing. Maybe it's because he listens to so much jazz. My guess is that Edwards is on board with Obama, and has been for some time (he'd look like an opportunistic, spineless say anything type if he endorsed Hillary after slamming her all summer last year), but they're waiting for the right time to use the full force of an Edwards endorsement. The time for him to back Obama is after a loss in PA, just before NC, Edwards' home state.

Pretty straightforward in my view.

March 30, 2008 6:30 PM

pccostello said:

If you really watched Edwards with Obama in that last debate--when Edwards was letting himself be more transparent--it is obvious that he found Obama presumptuous, self-interested, glib, and manipulative. Edwards gave Obama looks of amused incredulity numerous times. YouTube it. What Edwards really thinks of Obama is quite visible.

March 30, 2008 6:54 PM

aschindler said:

Edwards better enjoy his moment. He's about 6-8 weeks away from being a has-been. Obama doesn't need Edwards, and I'm glad to read he didn't kowtow to him (even though I agree more with Edwards on healthcare than Obama). Edwards ran a reactionary populist campaign that would have doomed the Democrats in the general. And it's ironic to read that he questions Obama's experience. What exactly are Edwards great accomplishments, other than buying a Senate seat and a couple presidential runs, and voting for the war?

March 30, 2008 6:55 PM

Wandreycer1 said:

Who gives a crap what John Edwards thinks?

March 30, 2008 7:36 PM

WoodyBombay said:

pc,

Wow! You're pretty good at ciphering Edwards' many intricate moods on the TV screen - presumptuous, self-interested, glib AND manipulative!

You can tell so much by facial expressions. You should have helped Bill Frist diagnose Terry Schiavo via videotape.

March 30, 2008 7:50 PM

dbhuff said:

I'm with Woody, JE certainly didn't seem that way when he was ripping HRC in the earlier debates, being part of the 'big boys club'...  And so far, Edwards supporters have mostly gone to Obama (e.g. Iowa final count).  I'm also of the opinion that right now would be useless, he missed his really powerful endorsement opps.  But 4-5 days before PA might be good...

March 30, 2008 8:23 PM

AaronBBrown said:

pccostello

Your remarks really are getting ridiculous, as if you know what's in the mind of John Edwards, what are you some kind of mind reader.  It's obvious to me that you're taking your own evaluations of Obama and transferring them into the minds of others.  Get a grip woman.  :-)

How do you feel about your candidate being a deadbeat who can't or won't pay her bills, specifically to the little people who need that money in order to pay their bills. They've had to resort to taking the Clinton campaign to small claims court.  And this is a woman who cares about the people, give me a break.

Hillary is demonstrating just what we've seen throughout her campaign, once you've cast your vote or provided her with some service that she needs, in the next instant you are forgotten.  Her actions reveal her true character. The woman is a perfect example of what is commonly referred to in the parlance of our time as a USER and a TAKER, not really the kind of person WE THE PEOPLE want representing our interests in our democracy.

Cash-strapped Clinton fails to pay bills

www.politico.com/.../9259.html

Small Vendors Feel Pinch of Clinton’s Money Troubles

www.nytimes.com/.../23owe.html

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Edwards is a very confused guy, a man who came from the working class, but who has never really been comfortable with the wealth and success he's achieved, so he went into politics to try and remake himself.  The man has identity problems, and the American people are not interested in politicians trying to discover who they are on our time, and our dime. Obama dealt with this issue in college, where most healthy people resolve these issues.

With Edwards it's always been all about Edwards, his own ego and related feelings of inferiority have been his greatest impediments.  I have no doubt that he is resentful of Obama success, and that is the real reason why he hasn't endorsed the American people's choice and the first genuinely progressive candidate that we've seen in our lifetimes.  I hope he endorses Obama, but if he doesn't, that wouldn't surprise me, he needs to get back to us what he's FOUND HIMSELF.

March 31, 2008 2:14 AM

teplukhin2you said:

matthawk and (probably) Edwards pretty much summarize the case against Obama. He's run a brilliant primary campaign in which he's played his identity cards about as well as they could be played: imagine mesmerizing the Farrakhan crowd and Marty Peretz both! Unebelievable.

But Obama's running out of cards. He's a bright guy with a smooth patter, and he's given some intelligent speeches on financial regulation, Pakistan etc. Perfectly competent, workmanlike, though nothing special.

But his core promise, of being a post-racial uniter, is now untenable. He embraces Black Power, and at least as many Dems find him unacceptable as find HRC unacceptable. Most importantly, he just doesn't have the chops to knock Hillary out, precisely because his candidacy is 100% about HIM. Not any urgent or compelling issue, but about vague notions of national, social, maybe even personal validation.

I'm not a HIllary fan, in fact I voted for Obama, but eally, he just doesn't bring the heat. This I think is obvious to liberals like Edwards and Paul Krugman as well as dispassionate observers with a sharp eye for BS, be they on the JauntyBoulevardier or the Hitchensian end of the spectrum.

March 31, 2008 3:44 AM

pccostello said:

tepl  wrote:

"Most importantly, he just doesn't have the chops to knock Hillary out, precisely because his candidacy is 100% about HIM. Not any urgent or compelling issue, but about vague notions of national, social, maybe even personal validation."

This hits it on the head.

March 31, 2008 7:12 AM

Androscoggin said:

"I do agree with Heilemann that the problem for Democrats who want the primary over soon is that there just isn't anyone out there with the stature or credibility to tell Hillary to quit."

Perhaps there's nobody with the stature to order her out of the race, but if Gore called on her to quit, that would at least start the ball rolling.

March 31, 2008 8:06 AM

Wandreycer1 said:

Good for Obama - why should he kiss ass to such a smarmy guy with no power who didn't even win his own state?  For Edwards to assume he had any say in dictating Obama's paltform is hilarious.

Let Edwards get the standard jerk-off routine from the Queen of such things.  Is there anything Hillary wouldn't say to anyone for a vote?  I have no doubt she said whatever Edwards wanted to hear.  

Obama doesn't kiss ass or pander.  Imagine that.  

March 31, 2008 8:10 AM

Rhubarbs said:

"... is also impressed by Hillary's willingness/ability to kick GOP ass."

On the basis of what evidence? When has Hillary Clinton _ever_ kicked GOP ass? In her whole life, ever?

Was she kicking GOP ass when she voted to invade Iraq? Was she kicking GOP ass when she went along with Bush's punitive bankruptcy revision? Was she kicking GOP ass when she voted for the Patriot Act? Was she kicking GOP ass when shoe voted to repeal the First Amendment? Was she kicking GOP ass when she voted for Bush's Iran resolution? Did she kick GOP ass when she blew healthcare reform in 1993-94? Did she kick GOP ass when she pushed gay military integration as her husband's first order of business and produced "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" instead? Did she kick GOP ass when her lies turned a series of minor kerfluffles into major scandals that almost destroyed her husband's presidency?

Hillary Clinton kicks GOP ass about like Joe Lieberman does. It seems to involve the lips, rather than the feet.

March 31, 2008 8:35 AM

gregstolhand said:

Tep,

"Most importantly, he just doesn't have the chops to knock Hillary out, precisely because his candidacy is 100% about HIM. Not any urgent or compelling issue, but about vague notions of national, social, maybe even personal validation."

She is already knocked out, he has the dignity not to keep punching her while she is lying on the mat.  HRC is the one who does not realize that she is done and stays in the race solely for HERSELF.

If he was a typical politician he would have been talking about Tuzla non-stop for the past week and driving a stake through her heart (which she deserves for such a blatant lie that is completely irrelevant to her candicacy).  Instead he chooses a different path and is criticaized here for it.  

In the past few weeks BHO has refused to throw his friend and mentor under the bus, has refused to bash his opponent over a normal candicay killer moment and you proceed to say that he is in it for HIMSELF?  WTF?  

Can any Hillary backers honestly say that if BHO was caught in a blatant lie about his EXPERIENCE that she would not be hammering it home? Christ, she is hammering his Law School Senior Lecturer status which is a joke in comparison.

March 31, 2008 9:10 AM

Pillbug said:

Aw jeezeus! Can someone PLEASE explain to me why the writers of tnr think they are so wonderful then even their utter mindless ruminations and speculations are written as some sort of high minded analysis. This is nothing more than bogus specuation based on questionable 'reading between the lines'... that the conclusion is scarcely supported by the dubious rumour I won't even bother getting into. ------ But it is one of TNR's most annoying qualities: the writers clearly think so much of themselves that utter fantasy is put forth as the most critical of analysis.

March 31, 2008 9:57 AM

The Plank said:

Did Barack Obama fail to close the deal with John Edwards by seeming arrogant and insufficiently committed

March 31, 2008 9:58 AM

ChanRobt said:

If Obama is arrogant, he generally covers it well in public.  Occasionally it has slipped out in the odd snide remark (which I  enjoy, by the way).  "You're likeable enough, Hillary."

But, they seem to cost him a little bit with normal, decent people.

It will be interesting to see if he makes a costly blurt out in, say, debates with McCain.  Would expect it less likely with John than with Hillary.

March 31, 2008 11:01 AM

teplukhin2you said:

greg - he threw his hitherto-obscure nonagenarian granny-- the one who spent more than a few years in aggregate caring for and raising him-- under the bus.

Me, I'd think that a good and clever politician would have found a way to preserve his image as a loyal and grateful grandson and nudge Preacher Goofball to get off the bus. Years ago.

The halo's gone. Much rougher slog for Obama now.

March 31, 2008 11:19 AM

miceelf said:

Tep- "embraced Black Power"??? in what sense?

March 31, 2008 11:29 AM

ericad said:

If Edwards really cared about the country (meaning he wanted to get behind the candidate that would embrace/assist his agenda if not necessarily via the same mechanisms), he would come out RIGHT NOW and endorse Obama.  Even if it appeared he was jumping on a bandwagon, even if it appeared he was bucking for a position (AG, whatever), even if it appeared he was just another guy ganging up on a woman,  he should do it.  It WOULD help Obama and it would help Edwards.

And yeah, Edwards had SO MUCH EXPERIENCE when he ran the first time...(didn't even vote in primaries!) and the second time (quit the senate after losing). That is just a scream!

March 31, 2008 11:37 AM

gregstolhand said:

Tep,

"I can no more disown him than I can disown the black community. I can no more disown him than I can my white grandmother – a woman who helped raise me, a woman who sacrificed again and again for me, a woman who loves me as much as she loves anything in this world, but a woman who once confessed her fear of black men who passed by her on the street, and who on more than one occasion has uttered racial or ethnic stereotypes that made me cringe."

I read this and think he respects his grandmother enough to be HONEST about an event that would be uncomfortable for most to admit (you are afriad of black men on the street, hey wait, I am a black man and you are talking about me) and LOYAL enough to not disown her for her views but rather see the whole person and not isolated events.

March 31, 2008 12:08 PM

teplukhin2you said:

miceelf - see Terry Gross's Fresh Air segment today on the Black Power theology that animates Wright. It's loony, gloriously retro, almost campy. Obama obviously associates with this stuff for one and only one reason: it nullifies any afr-amer Chicago political rival's charge that Obama's not authentically black. There's _nothing wrong with doing so_-- provided, of course, that you level with everyone and admit you're a POLITICIAN. That's what politicians do. We get it.

greg - if a white male had expressed fear of "black men on the street"-- independent of time and exact place-- I'd say he's probably either lacking in elemental street smarts or else has some traumas that require professional intervention. Stay away from the wrong places at the wrong times and you have nothing to fear, from anyone.

Now,  _granny's_ fear is rational for a woman her age. She probably also fears aggressive young men of any race who are covered in tats, facial jewelry etc. This is of course an utterly banal and irrelevant observation.

Frankly, it was silly and insulting for BHO-- insulting to not just granny but to the intelligence of his own supporters--to compare an old lady to an incendiary Black Power preacher. Obama's a smooth pol, sure, but his halo's gone. Some might call him slick rather than smooth.

March 31, 2008 12:49 PM

Historian1956 said:

Edwards made his fortune and career playing the percentages and while he made piles of money, what else has he accomplished?  Two failed attempts at winning the nomination for president and one failed attempt at winning the VP spot in the general by hitching his wagon to an obvious loser such as Kerry.

Now he holds his precious 26 delegates and endorsements so long that any giveaway is meaningless.  The time to have passed them on would have been right after he dropped out of the primary BEFORE Super Tuesday.  The only way his endorsement could make a difference is if Hillary, by some incredible miracle needed 25 delegates to tie and the extra point to win.  Not happening in this lifetime.

As far as an endorsement from Gore?  Not going to happen.  He likes his current position of Nobel Peace Prize Winner and to sully his reputation by something so banal as endorsing a presidential nominee would make the Man Who Would Be King seem like just another peasant in the scheme of things.  He had his chance, and regardless of how it happened, he lost, so he hitched his wagon to a "higher purpose" than mere politics and in the long run will just be a question on a future episode of Jeapardy.  Hillary Clinton would no more listen to him, if he deigned to tell her to quit, than she would listen to Bill.  She prostituted herself to get where she is and she's going to stay in the battle till the fat lady sings, and according to her, that fat lady won't be singing until Denver!

Given her recent quote in the 3/30/08 WaPo:  "I have no intention of stopping until we finish what we started and until we see what happens in the next 10 contests and until we resolve Florida and Michigan. And if we don't resolve it, we'll resolve it at the convention -- that's what credentials committees are for.", does anyone but me see shades of George W. in her statement?  She doesn't care about the party or the election, she is playing Bush in the election process, just as he played warrior in Iraq.  If she were to be elected President, I firmly believe we'd see another term of W's and his unilateral moves, with the rest of the country and world be damned.

March 31, 2008 12:57 PM

AaronBBrown said:

Clinton didn't pay health insurance bills

www.politico.com/.../9274.html

This is classic, Hillary wants to lay a mandate on the backs of the American people, and confiscate money from us to be put in the pockets of the insurance companies, but apparently she's not even responsible enough to pay the premiums for her own employees. Just imagine, they garnish your wages to pay for your health insurance, and then the incompetent Clinton administration doesn't pay your premiums so you still don't have health-insurance.  That's Hillary for you, a liar and incompetent.

I can't wait to see her tax returns, I imagine they're going to have a number of difficult to explain discrepancies.

I'm so thankful that Barack Obama will be the president, so Democrats won't be subjected to those awful "IMPEACH CLINTON" signs once again.

March 31, 2008 2:32 PM

lymon1 said:

Aaron -- did you notice the *lead* story on Politico.com today?  You know, the one where Obama apparently "misspoke" about never having seen that issues questionaire "prepared by a staff aid" and now, magically, one appears with his handwritten corrections on it?  One might cynically think that BOTH candidates have lied when convenient (you might take a look at factcheck.org), but I forgot, cynicism isn't allowed about Obama.

March 31, 2008 3:03 PM

ironyroad said:

tep:  Sometimes you give the impression of being on a clattering train of your own rhetoric, and nobody's in the driver's seat.  Obama does not "embrace Black Power" or anything like that.  He has written and said enough for most people about why he went in search of the paternal side of his mix and how that discovery of black culture influenced his later path in life (community organizing, state politics, national politics).  He has made it clear that, although he understands this line of prophetic preaching from Jeremiah Wright, he doesn't share its basic message of a static and racially excluding society.

You might as well trivialize Gore by claiming that he embraces polar bears.

March 31, 2008 3:16 PM

teplukhin2you said:

oh, irony, please, enough with the BS, already. Wright's "theology" is about Black Power. I didn't make this up; go check it out for yourself. Obama in embracing Wright embraced Black Power in order to LAUNCH HIS POLITICAL CAREER in southside Chicago. I didn't make that up, either; Obama himself recounts this in one of his books.

Obviously, he doesn't believe in the nonsense that Wright spouts, which means-- here's the point, for the umpteenth time-- that Obama is a politician. We get it. Stop BS'ing us.

As his granny might say, channeling Messrs Palin Idle Cleese et al, "He's not the Messiah, he's a very naughty boy!"

Obama ain't the Messiah. He's Brian.

March 31, 2008 3:40 PM

vanwurs said:

irony...

"a clattering train of your own rhetoric, and nobody's in the driver's seat?".....

Damn, I 've got to write that down.  

(Sorry, Tep.)

March 31, 2008 5:01 PM

lymon1 said:

Isn't the empty train analogy more applicable to...oh, never mind (I also notice how nobody wants to talk about that Politico story -- so Obama never saw that survey, eh?).   What does this have to do with Edwards again?  

March 31, 2008 5:40 PM

lymon1 said:

Though I guess I'm the last person to talk about going off-topic -- sorry folks!

March 31, 2008 5:41 PM

The Plank said:

Following up on Noam's and Jon's speculation about what's going on with John Edwards's

March 31, 2008 7:20 PM