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27.03.2008
Nice Try. But the Extended Primary Is Still Killing the Democrats

A lot of people have pointed to Dan Balz's piece about how Democrats are registering record numbers of voters as evidence that the extended primary isn't so bad for the party. Believe me, I'm all for bucking the C.W. But I don't find this very persuasive. In order for this to be much of a benefit, you'd have to show that the registration numbers wouldn't be up if one candidate or the other had already locked up the nomination. Actually, you'd have to show more than that. You'd have to show that the registration numbers wouldn't have ended up in the same place by November under either scenario. (For most states the general-election registration deadline is sometime in October.) I don't think you can really make that case.

For one thing, if we had a nominee, that person would already be organizing a lot of states for the general. And all the evidence suggests he or she would be having a lot of success registering people as Democrats. As Balz himself points out:

The Pew Research Center offered fresh evidence of this last week with a report that aggregated interviews with 5,566 voters during the first two months of the year. It found that 36 percent of respondents identified themselves as Democrats and 27 percent called themselves Republicans, a drop of 6 percentage points since the 2004 election. The report noted that, on an annualized basis, this is the lowest GOP identification in 16 years of surveys.

This has little to do with the fact that there's still a primary contest going on. It has to do with the fact that a lot more people want to be Democrats these days than Republicans.

I'll concede that, from a registration perspective, there's some advantage to having a candidate actually appear in a state--as opposed to just having staff organize it--and that competitive primaries have some positive effect on registration. But, again, for Balz's point to be relevant, you'd have to argue that the registration increases we'd forgo already by having a nominee wouldn't be made up by the fall. I have a hard time believing they wouldn't be.

The only relevant consideration here is down-ballot races in states that might otherwise get neglected but which are getting attention because the candidates are competing in primaries there. But you have to weigh that against that fact that these states won't help a Democrat get elected president. If Clinton or Obama had already clinched the nomination, they could be spending time in states they actually have a chance of carrying in November (or which at least count in the electoral college), as opposed to Montana, South Dakota, Kentucky, Mississippi, Wyoming, Indiana, and Puerto Rico.

Of course, even if you buy Balz's logic (and how could you after all that!), no one's suggesting the primary contest should have ended after, say, South Carolina. They're suggesting it should have ended after March 4, by which point it was clear that Hillary had very little chance of overtaking Obama in the pledged-delegate count, and that most superdelegates were reluctant to overturn Obama's delegate lead. By that point, the vast majority of states had already held their primaries and caucuses.

--Noam Scheiber

Posted: Thursday, March 27, 2008 11:21 AM with 12 comment(s)

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lymon1 said:

So let's fill up the 7 weeks with some issues.  The TNR editorial calls for boycotting the Chinese Olympics.  How about TNR gets on the phone, contacts the 3 candidates, and gets their position on this.  Full boycott?  Partial/Cultural?  Are you going to attend the games?  How about Mark Helprin's proposal in the NY Times a couple days ago?

Genocide is worth a single day news cycle, isn't it?

March 27, 2008 11:52 AM

blackton said:

lymon, a boycott is a dumb idea that would make things only worse. it would strengthen immensely Hu Jintaos hand and be viewed as a direct slap to the face of the Chinese people. I have outlined ways that America can effect change in China's relationship, but since it will result in even higher gas prices I know full well that we won't do it. It is one thing to advocate solutions, it is an entirely other thing to advocate solutions that will make the situation even worse, and believe you me a boycott could make things immensely worse without any intendant benefits.

March 27, 2008 1:28 PM

blackton said:

lymon, just saw your reply on the other thread. it is crazy how that had only 4 replies but stupid ass ones by Wilentz have 500. This alone should tell us all we need to know about how much most Americans care about the issue.

As to Darfur, I have no idea what to do. I once suggested that we arm the rebels, give them training and supplies so that when the janjaweed come storming in they will be met with cold steel, but I was convinced due to logistics, terrain, etc. that it would not be a very effective countermeasure, and could even make things worse (as hard as that is too believe). And an invasion is out of the question. I wouldn't mind a Serbian style bombing campaign (we can tell the world we are going to do it to give them time to get out of Khartoum) and since Bush can not be even more hated it will at least kill the bosses of the killers. But you and I know that Bush doesn't care because it doesn't fit in with his strategic vision of himself as a liberator. Since he knows he can't liberate the country it doesn't matter.

As for myself, I really am a nobody who doesn't know enough about the area to even claim I know the solution. It really is hopeless. 4 replies to the article makes that even more evident.

March 27, 2008 1:56 PM

lymon1 said:

Blackton -- I realize you lived in China and have a greater understanding (from that experience and probably from more "Sino Studying") than I do, but why do you think it's so impossible that China might pressure Sudan to make concessions on peacekeepers rather than retalliate in a way that would hurt both the U.S. and China's economy?  We saw a soupcon of that with Steven Speilberg. I realize Chinese nationalism is a very real thing (I remember the early days of the current administration), but I'm not convinced that outside U.S. pressure would make the situation in Darfur "immensely worse" (how -- they'll all be permanently ensconsed in Chadian refugee camps or dead) and could make it better.  There's a number of "cultural boycotts" that could be done too (imagine if, upon pressure from all three candidates, the tv networks (NBC this year?) ran features on Chinese human rights abuses and their enablement of the Darfur genocide during the Olympics).  

Now that said, I prefer we act directly against Sudan and not through China a la Mark Helprin's editorial this week in the NY Times.  Because there's a principle at stake here -- that we don't play politics with genocide but have a bright line that other nations in the future can take note of.  And if Chinese blowback convinces human rights advocates that the U.N. is an impossible vehicle to effect change after the sad history of Bosnia, Rwanda, Congo, Kosovo, East Timor, etc. that will be no small thing either.  

And *that* said, I agree with a comment you made on the TNR editorial, that the most important thing the U.S. can do is put it's own house in economic order and become less dependent on oil so we'll have more power to influence/negotiate/etc. in the future.

March 27, 2008 2:05 PM

lymon1 said:

blackton -- saw your last post after I posted a response -- I couldn't agree more on the 500 vs. 4 point!

March 27, 2008 2:06 PM

blackton said:

lymon, you misunderstand about the immensely worse line, certainly not about Darfur but make things immensely worse for the cause of Chinese freedom, and for our own economy. I think Darfur is lost, as I have said above. A boycott of the Olympics in that sense would be an obscene act, equivalent to slapping a friend of a man who is raping a woman in plain sight while doing nothing to stop the rape itself.

I have no problem with outside pressure being given to China, just that in what kind of pressure and how it is done matters. A boycott would be a disaster. Also, don't forget that the main reason the North Korea has been so quiet is because of the Chinese and the Olympic games. A green light to Kim is what we don't need now.

China wouldn't do anything if we intervened in the Sudan except bitch (provided we don't bomb their embassy again). Bush is sure as hell not being prevented because of fears of what China would do!

The way to get the chinese to pressure the Sudan (not sure how effective they would be though) is to bribe them, relax restrictions on a lot of high tech goods (which the chinese buy from France already) and assure oil contracts with the Saudis for example. The Chinese are mercantalists first and foremost, then internal affairs nationalists second (their pressure on North Korea shows they are more flexible on internal affairs than people concede)

March 27, 2008 3:15 PM

teplukhin2you said:

What blackton said. This issue has no legs.

March 27, 2008 8:48 PM

ChanRobt said:

Come on, fellas, gather round.  And to the tune of "It Ain't Necessarily So," let's all sing, "We Ain't Necessarily Screwed".

March 28, 2008 3:30 AM

eudoxie said:

There is absolutely no logic to this being a good thing for the Democratic Party. Good for journalists, and Republicans - YES. The Democrats? Hell no.

March 28, 2008 11:59 AM

cvbesq said:

Bill Press keeps making some of the same arguments.  It is only common sense to say that one Dem beating on another for the next 3+ months cannot do good but only more harm and hurt the Dems chances against McCain.

March 28, 2008 12:25 PM

ChanRobt said:

Something more is being demonstrated by this.  Democrats are dysfunctional.  Republicans would never beat on one another in this way-- race-baiting, make McCarthyite charges, exposing wild-eyed preacher mentors, etc.

Of course, the GOP wouldn't have such wonderful and lurid material to work with.

It is not for nothing that the Democratic Party "brand" is heavily tainted and seen as pretty dishonorable.

Either reform the Party you've got, or form a new one.  You've got a real problem.

March 28, 2008 3:09 PM

The Plank said:

Everybody wants to know which party leader will step forward and bring the Democratic presidential campaign

April 1, 2008 1:02 PM

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