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24.03.2008
Which Candidate's Better on the Financial Crisis?

This Paul Krugman column gets the political economy of the financial crisis exactly right:

America came out of the Great Depression with a pretty effective financial safety net, based on a fundamental quid pro quo: the government stood ready to rescue banks if they got in trouble, but only on the condition that those banks accept regulation of the risks they were allowed to take.

Over time, however, many of the roles traditionally filled by regulated banks were taken over by unregulated institutions — the “shadow banking system,” which relied on complex financial arrangements to bypass those safety regulations.

Now, the shadow banking system is facing the 21st-century equivalent of the wave of bank runs that swept America in the early 1930s. And the government is rushing in to help, with hundreds of billions from the Federal Reserve, and hundreds of billions more from government-sponsored institutions like Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac and the Federal Home Loan Banks.

Given the risks to the economy if the financial system melts down, this rescue mission is justified. But you don’t have to be an economic radical, or even a vocal reformer like Representative Barney Frank, the chairman of the House Financial Services Committee, to see that what’s happening now is the quid without the quo.

Last week Robert Rubin, the former Treasury secretary, declared that Mr. Frank is right about the need for expanded regulation. Mr. Rubin put it clearly: If Wall Street companies can count on being rescued like banks, then they need to be regulated like banks.

But will that logic prevail politically?

Not if Mr. McCain makes it to the White House. His chief economic adviser is former Senator Phil Gramm, a fervent advocate of financial deregulation. In fact, I’d argue that aside from Alan Greenspan, nobody did as much as Mr. Gramm to make this crisis possible.

Both Democrats, by contrast, are running more or less populist campaigns. But at least so far, neither Democrat has made a clear commitment to financial reform.

Is that simply an omission? Or is it an ominous omen? Recent history offers reason to worry.

In retrospect, it’s clear that the Clinton administration went along too easily with moves to deregulate the financial industry. And it’s hard to avoid the suspicion that big contributions from Wall Street helped grease the rails.

Last year, there was no question at all about the way Wall Street’s financial contributions to the new Democratic majority in Congress helped preserve, at least for now, the tax loophole that lets hedge fund managers pay a lower tax rate than their secretaries.

Now, the securities and investment industry is pouring money into both Mr. Obama’s and Mrs. Clinton’s coffers. And these donors surely believe that they’re buying something in return.

Let’s hope they’re wrong.

I haven't seen much evidence that they are.

The tradeoff facing Democrats is that Clinton's economic advisers probably have more experience dealing directly with financial markets, but they're also the people who helped deregulate Wall Street in the 1990s, laying the groundwork for some of our current problems. Most of Obama's advisers aren't as tainted by that experience. But he's collected roughly as much Wall Street money as she has. And, from what I hear anecdotally,* he seems to do better among hot shot hedge-fund and private-equity fund managers, who can be even more averse to financial-market regulation than the older, stodgier investment banker types who favor Hillary. So, like Krugman, I don't see any real advantage for Obama on this issue.

*My former TNR colleague Clay Risen wrote a great piece about the candidates' respective Wall Street supporters last year. But, given that our archives were subsequently vaporized, the best I can do is point you to this LaRouchie summary of his piece.

--Noam Scheiber

Posted: Monday, March 24, 2008 12:51 PM with 31 comment(s)

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The Ignorant Populist said:

How many times have we seen deregualtion in the financial markets lead to disaster? How many times are these mistakes going to be made?

I find it quite incredible that we have the possibility of MORE deregulation from the McCain camp in the midst of this madness. Pathological hatred of government, of regulation, of sanity by Republicans, and now even Democrats, has become potentially lethal.

I just find it incredible that all of the candidates left in the race are now bought and paid for on this crucial issue, and that's why they've remained larely silent.

Quite extraordinary.

Puts one-man-one-vote into perspective.

March 24, 2008 1:27 PM

The Ignorant Populist said:

Instead we have to endure acres and acres of verbage on how black Obama is and what his pastor said ten years ago, while being told by conservatives that this is now the key issue for making a decision in 08.

Depressing.

March 24, 2008 1:36 PM

teplukhin2you said:

What financial crisis? The candidates actually have views on _finance_? Which candidates?

Quis hic locus, quae regio, quae mundi plaga?

March 24, 2008 1:41 PM

tnmats said:

Iggy, it'll keep happening as long as campaign cash is called "free speech".  I'm convinced the only way to peaceably fix our political system is complete public financing.  The system we have now is nothing more than legalized bribery.  The other way to fix the problem is to, ahem, start all over again.  But that is a bit scary (just ask the Iraqis).

March 24, 2008 1:41 PM

The Ignorant Populist said:

Amen to that mats. 100% public funding of all general elections. That would be money well spent. If the masters of the universe want to contribute, let them drop leaflets into letterboxes.

March 24, 2008 1:49 PM

jblumenfeld said:

Ha. Soon this point will be moot, as the remaining independent broker/dealers (and there are not very many) will probably be swallowed by banks anyway.  Merrill, Goldman, Morgan Stanley, Lehman... who else?  I think there are now 8 non-bank dealers.

March 24, 2008 1:56 PM

teplukhin2you said:

Our fearless regulators, always three steps behind the curve. Sigh.

March 24, 2008 2:14 PM

BHLnyc said:

Best to deal with a financial crisis? Well, let's see -- McCain ran his campaign into the ground financially, Hillary ran her campaign into the ground financially (and is still teetering, even without paying back her personal loan) and Obama is flush with cash (ten times more than Hillary, in fact). These examples don't guarantee success, of course, but they do indicate a certain aptitude for balancing a budget.

March 24, 2008 2:17 PM

mmathog said:

Clinton definitely has views on finance, they're the rubin/greenspan views, or as Jim Cramer put it on Hardball, 'Wall St. likes Hillary, they see her as very pro-capital' and 'She is trying to find a real way out of this mess' which to me translates as 'she's trying to find a way to keep us rich and screw main st. w/o anyone really noticing.'

Even Krugman has been bitten a bit by the Rubin bug, Robert Reich is right to hate Rubin with the heat of a thousand suns.

Rubin did call for more regulation (duh), but it was pretty tepid. Obviously this emerging 'shadow banking system' needs A LOT more regulation and Peretz is right, the ratings agencies need overhaul as well.

Obama is playing his cards too close to the vest on this one, so we don't know, and of course when McCain hears the phrase 'capital flow' he probably reaches for the whiskey.

March 24, 2008 2:20 PM

jacksondyer said:

"How many times have we seen deregualtion in the financial markets lead to disaster?"

"Instead we have to endure acres and acres of verbage on how black Obama is and what his pastor said ten years ago, while being told by conservatives that this is now the key issue for making a decision in 08."

Why is an Ignorant Irish populist, so called using the word "we" in order to describe American election talk.

Besides he even gets what is being said, wrong. (Or is he lying? With the ignorant populo it's hard to say.)

Wright didn't make these comments "ten years ago" they are much more recent than that. They are post 911.

In any case, none of this is any of this anti-American business.

Go post on the Irish election and stop wasting our time here.

March 24, 2008 2:34 PM

teplukhin2you said:

Re the "Rubin bug", I think a lot of smart people viewed our financial engineering wizardry as a source of competitive advantage globally: more capital flowing into US markets and thence to US firms, at advantageous rates.

Perhaps more and more Americans will start to realize that, while financial engineering can be a source of advantage, that advantage is slippery, fleeting, and ultimately much less important than other forms of engineering. Maybe it's time to figure out how we provide enough incentives to persuade our smartest young people to forego careers in fin'l engineering and take up bio-engineering, alternative energy research and engineering, computer engineering etc.

March 24, 2008 2:38 PM

tnmats said:

tep, the regulators may be clueless but the past 20 years have rendered their ability to do anything nearly impossible.  They aren't allowed to do anything.  Witness the FDA; the same hacks screaming for them to do something about drugs like Vioxx are the same crowd that defanged the FDA and slashed their budget.

Sometimes I wonder if things are going the way of the old 70's flick "Rollerball" (gov't ceased to exist and 7 corporations ran the world), or the way of the more recent flick "Idiocracy".  Maybe it's "Idiotball"?  Just keep your eyes open for a farmer using Gatorade to water his fields....

March 24, 2008 2:44 PM

hrlngrv said:

Problem is we need more than just regulation at the national level. Anyone think the counterparties to many of Bear Stearns's credit derivative positions were mostly US-based?

Retail banking needs regulation because it's where the least sophisticated people interact with financial institutions, but there's a lot of money there, and the rest of global finance wants access to that money. Given the contributions both parties and their candidates, especially senators, currently receive from global finance, how much chance is there we can expect the next president propose and congress to pass any encumbrances to global finance's access to the retail banking cash pool?

On the other side, maybe we need investor licenses. Everyone would have to pass a test on basic finance, including risk acceptance and avoidance, before they'd be allowed to invest in anything other than bank savings accounts.

But to throw a little populism into this, maybe we also need a marginal tax rates over 100% for CEO severance packages when said CEO's are responsible for 10 and 11 figure losses.

March 24, 2008 3:05 PM

mmathog said:

HRC hearts Rubin and Rubin hearts Greenspan. Her position on this issue could not possibly be clearer, she thinks things in Wall St. are basically fine and we need a 'few tweaks.'

The idea that guys like Rubin, Summers, Greenspan et. al. didn't see the emergence of an unregulated shadow banking system is ludicrous, they saw it and they fucked up. No one loathes Bush more than me, but this mess really isn't his fault (although he sat back and racked up huge deficits) he pretty much just continued this business as usual. On Wall St. (and trade), Clinton and Bush have largely been together.

Also, Clinton has been taking credit for the 90s boom for 15 months now, shouldn't she now be forced to explain/defend this architecture?

I'm not saying her position is a bad position (although it's not mine), but any political reporter who doesn't see this isn't really doing his job.

March 24, 2008 3:12 PM

teplukhin2you said:

Appoint Warren Buffett to lead the new commission or whatever body it is that needs to research and resolve this mess. He's been way out front on derivatives for at least a decade IIUC.

March 24, 2008 3:34 PM

The Ignorant Populist said:

Good point Hog.

Exactly what rules were relaxed under Bill's administration and what does Hillary have to say about it?

March 24, 2008 3:42 PM

mmathog said:

Tep, this shit isn't hard, it's not that we need some 'wizard' to 'figure it out,' it's competing interests, it's politics, that's all.

I like Buffett, he's smart, I'd trust him, whatever. That's not the problem.

The huge relaxed rule was the rules on commercial and investment banks in (I believe) 1996 that allowed the latter some of the leeway of the former that then allowed for the emergence of this shadow system. People typed about it then, it was kinda forgotten by a lot of people in the intervening years, and now here we are.

It's not mechanics, it's politics.

March 24, 2008 3:51 PM

lymon1 said:

mmathog wrote>>

HRC hearts Rubin and Rubin hearts Greenspan. Her position on this issue could not possibly be clearer, she thinks things in Wall St. are basically fine and we need a 'few tweaks.'<<

You call her endorsement of the Chris-Dodd/Barney Frank-like mortgage revision she proposes "a tweak"?  And get real: to his shame Greenspan bit his tongue at Dubyanomics (making ocassional weak comments about the dangers of deficit spending and unfounded "exuberance"), but everyone knows he, like Rubin, are deficit hawks and had their path been followed we wouldn't be in this mess, war or no war.  

March 24, 2008 4:09 PM

teplukhin2you said:

I hear you, Matt. My point is that Buffett's independent and _honest_ (I think).

March 24, 2008 4:24 PM

tnmats said:

Iggy, during the Clinton administration the Glass-Steagall Act of 1933 was repealed.  In 1999 Billy signed the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act which repealed Glass-Steagall.  G/S forced a separation of commercial banking (the ones that make consumer/commercial loans and take deposits) from investment banking/securities dealing.  Now the two can be intertwined, and we all know what that mess bought us.  The biggest danger is the investment bank will drag down the commercial side.  Gee, guess who imploded first in this sub-prime mess.

Gee, those leaders during the Depression knew what they were doing after all. Whoda thunk it?  Apparently not our extremely sophisticated, oh so brilliant MBA class.  The Depression era laws were written to prevent just this sort of mess: a bank 'too big to fail'.  Do need another depression to ram the idea through this country's collective head that we need that kind of regulation again?

March 24, 2008 4:27 PM

Historian1956 said:

Frankly, I'm with hrlngrv, but I'd go further.  First kill all the MBA's.  Anyone see a pattern here?  As the number of MBA's increase the amount of common sense, history and ethics decrease proportionally.  Before the world was overrun by the frat boy mentality of B School graduates, the financial institutions were generally run by people of integrity, intelligence and an innate sense of fiscal responsibility.  Once we reached the saturation point of people with MBA's with their personal load of debt and unending greed, deregulation became necessary to allow for overnight fortune making backed by nothing more than the say so of the so-called experts.  Rules and regulations went out the window, one by one, and starting in the '80's the cycle of financial market crisis and federal bailouts began.

We need a system of testing and licensure, such as the Bar Exam and Medical Licensing, with even higher standards for anyone who will have the power to do more than open a checking account for someone.  

Deregulation of any industry or institution must be proven to have direct benefits for the people and the economy as a whole and the teeth, nay fangs, must be given back to the agencies created to oversee said industries and institutions.  Instead of government bailouts for mismanaged financial institutions and big business, that money needs to go back into the regulatory agencies to make certain they have the ability to police their areas of responsibility rather than the current situation of make do policing we currently have.  Is it any wonder that at the most basic levels of protection such as the USDA, the staff cuts caused by fiscal mismanagement of the government and laisse faire attitude of food industry conglomerates cannot insure that even the food we eat is safe?

March 24, 2008 4:28 PM

mmathog said:

"to his shame Greenspan bit his tongue at Dubyanomics (making ocassional weak comments about the dangers of deficit spending and unfounded "exuberance"),"

That ain't all he did lymon, Greenspan embraced the free money wild years, encouraged subprime lending, and gave his tacit (if not explicit) approval on the rise of the unregulated shadow banking system. When, a year ago, when it was obvious it was going to collapse, he came out with the idiotic, 'well gee, if housing prices would just rise another 10%, this whole subprime problem would just disappear.'

Greenspan's reputation, rightly, is ruined.

You make a good point about HRC's evolving position, I'll look into it.

You might be impressed with these folks yelling about slamming the barn door shut after the horsie escapes. Me? Not so much.

March 24, 2008 4:35 PM

mmathog said:

"to his shame Greenspan bit his tongue at Dubyanomics (making ocassional weak comments about the dangers of deficit spending and unfounded "exuberance"),"

That ain't all he did lymon, Greenspan embraced the free money wild years, encouraged subprime lending, and gave his tacit (if not explicit) approval on the rise of the unregulated shadow banking system. When, a year ago, when it was obvious it was going to collapse, he came out with the idiotic, 'well gee, if housing prices would just rise another 10%, this whole subprime problem would just disappear.'

Greenspan's reputation, rightly, is ruined.

You make a good point about HRC's evolving position, I'll look into it.

You might be impressed with these folks yelling about slamming the barn door shut after the horsie escapes. Me? Not so much.

March 24, 2008 4:35 PM

The Ignorant Populist said:

Mats, thanks. It would be interesting to trawl through the media in 99 relating to that Act.

My guess?

It's laced with "pro-growth"; "flexible, innovative financial markets, now unshackled from ancient, out of date big government."; "the market can now work it's magic, free of unreasonable restraint that was designed for another time"; (mystical) "synergies!"; "economies of scale, which will lead to leaner, more efficient org's that can only help the end consumer"; "growth, jobs, prosperity".

March 24, 2008 4:40 PM

Rhubarbs said:

Hillary today specifically named Greenspan as someone she would like to be on an emergency commission to figure out what to do about the mortgage crisis.

Of course, Hillary didn't actually promise to appoint such a commission herself, now or when elected. Her plan consists of hoping that President Bush will appoint a commission to come up with the answers before the next president takes office. That's the kind of strong leadership and mastery of policy detail that only someone with Hillary's experience can provide!

I've heard several Obama Q&A sessions since Thursday (and read the Obama-McCain-Hillary side-by-side columns in today's WaPo) and his proposals are sensible and specific where hers are imprudent (interest-rate freeze! foreclosure holiday!) and vague ("sorely missed proactive policies").

March 24, 2008 4:50 PM

teplukhin2you said:

What Iggy said. Greenspan was viewed as a hero by all the good girls and boys, of left right and center, because he refused to do what that meanie Paul Volcker did when he closed the spigot.

William Grieder and others on the left were arguing for shutting down the Fed in the early 1990s because it wasn't loose enough, in their view, was crucifying the working man on the cross of anti-inflation etc.

The rot transcends parties and classes. We have a culture of bread and circuses, of buying off workers earning sh*t wages by enabling them to load up on artificially cheap debt so they can buy Asian-made crap they don't need and can't afford. A culture of fibs 'n' fairytales, among which is the lie that people without advanced skills can lead a fat and cushy lifestyle that's far more prodigal than any enjoyed by their peers in Europe and Asia. Plus the other big lie, that our kids' self-esteem trumps the authority of their teachers and that being "well-rounded" and cool are more important than mastering hard subjects.

I don't think Greenspan, for all his faults, is to blame for creating the bread and circus mindset. Tweedledum and Tweedledee own that one.

March 24, 2008 4:57 PM

mmathog said:

"I don't think Greenspan, for all his faults, is to blame for creating the bread and circus mindset."

Sure, but he was 'the expert' and he ignored his own technical training for political (and perhaps, class) expediency.

Hardly courageous.

Why should I have to listen to him (or even Rubin) anymore?

I don't blame Colin Powell for the Iraq invasion either, but it sure doesn't mean I have to respect him. What's the point of experience, intelligence, and expertise if you're not going to use it when it counts most?

March 24, 2008 5:13 PM

mmathog said:

And by the way, Bear Stearns is now, officially, a bailout.

You really think JP Morgan would've turned around and quintupled the offered price w/o endless access to the Fed's discount window?

It was one thing to bail out the whole street, now, we're bailing out a specific firm, terrific.

March 24, 2008 5:15 PM

teplukhin2you said:

I need to get me one of them bailouts.

March 24, 2008 6:01 PM

PeteBeck said:

Here's an aspect of the financial situation that I don't hear much about:

Even though the fed's interest rates are going down, the banks are not lowering their rates for  traditional commercial loans to middle American small business borrowers.  In fact, they are even higher than a year or two ago.  If you ask bankers why, they will say, we are concerned about what will happen if another 9/11 takes place.

In other words, the bankers are worried about national security.

And thus a strong element of turning around the financial situation is making the business community less concerned about the prospect of terrorism.

Which candidate offers the best prospect of that?

March 25, 2008 10:55 AM

teplukhin2you said:

PeteBeck - this is nothing more, nothing less, than a process of re-establishing the banks' balance sheets. "national security" - ha.

March 25, 2008 1:04 PM