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04.03.2008
Two Things To Keep in Mind About Texas

Yes, the polls show Hillary reasserting a slight lead here. But I've now heard former Texas Rep. Martin Frost, a one-time DCCC chairman who knows Texas demographics about as well as anyone, make the following case a few times:

1.) Don't overlook early voting, which has been significant here. (More than one million people voted early in Texas, versus only 800,000 who voted here overall in 2004.) Unlike the February 5 states, the demographics of early voting seem to favor Obama. That means a chunk of his now-vanished lead in the polls has been locked in.

2.) Frost argues that decades of attrition have reduced the Texas Democratic Party to a kind of liberal rump-party. If that's true, then the Democratic primary electorate could be more favorable to Obama than a lot of us have anticipated. True, the primary here is open, which means more than just the liberal rump will be voting. But, even so, you have to figure the non-Democrats who cross-over will tend to favor Obama. Hillary hasn't been attracting many Republicans and Independents.

Last week, I thought Obama's performance among white voters was unrealistically high in several polls. But Frost's insight suggests those polls may have been accurate. If Obama gets within 5-7 points of Hillary among whites, which he did in the latest SurveyUSA poll, for example, I think he'll win the primary. (The polls showing him trailing in recent days typically put him down 20 among whites.)

--Noam Scheiber

Posted: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 1:55 PM with 19 comment(s)

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aref_j said:

Not sure if you've seen it, but Mark Blumenthal over at pollster.com has a great analysis on the What-Ifs in Texas, including a spreadsheet where you can tweak with the scenarios (for demographic turnout, and split).

www.pollster.com/.../texas_whatif.php

March 4, 2008 2:22 PM

BryanRDC said:

"you have to figure the non-Democrats who cross-over will tend to favor Obama. Hillary hasn't been attracting many Republicans and Independents."

Is this true? What of the stories that the cross-overs will go for Hillary in the hope of getting her into the general b/c she's considered easier to beat? I think that's sneaky, but it's within the rules...

March 4, 2008 2:40 PM

tomeg said:

My final guess: TX Clinton 55 Obama 45; OH Clinton 59 Obama 40

Headlines tomorrow: Clinton in Landslide Victory, Calls on Obama to Quit "For Good of Party"

March 4, 2008 2:57 PM

scottlooper said:

In the Survey USA Texas Democratic Primary poll released yesterday, Clinton beat Obama 50%-48% among early voters.  Obama's lead was based on likely voters -- of which a larger % of Obama supporters (48%) said they might change their mind than did Clinton supporters (38%).  The Texas primary will be interesting, indeed.

www.surveyusa.com/.../PollReport.aspx

March 4, 2008 2:57 PM

kyoung said:

Re: the early voters:  Didn't this get addressed with the California primary--the polling organizations are taking early voters into account.

March 4, 2008 3:09 PM

drdannyu said:

tomeg, I fear that you might be right.  I hope your TX prediction, at least, is off, but my essential status as political born loser (haven't voted for a winning presidential candidate yet) makes me afraid you're on the money.

March 4, 2008 3:24 PM

jhildner said:

Oh Dan, ye of little faith.  Tomeg's predictions are outlandish by any objective assessment.

March 4, 2008 4:12 PM

naomi88 said:

drdannyu:

Who did you vote for in '96?  I thought Clinton ran unopposed in the primaries.

March 4, 2008 4:12 PM

drdannyu said:

It's merely my fatalism, nothing more jhildner.  My experience has led me to believe that any presidential candidate I vote for = doomed.  I figure, if I resign myself to Obama's losing now, he might actually win.

And naomi, I was referring to the general election.  I voted for Bob Dole in '96, because I thought he was a statesman who had served the country honorably, and I couldn't bring myself to vote for a man who had had sex with a 22-year-old White House intern in the Oval Office.

March 4, 2008 4:22 PM

virginiacentrist said:

This is the first open primary where the GOP race is TRULY over. I think that'll make a difference, especially with a crossover candidate like Obama.

That being said, most polling takes early voting into account.

Also - early voting trends towards the highly committed partisans for each candidate. It's always good to get those early votes, but it doesn't neccessarily mean anything...

March 4, 2008 4:28 PM

naomi88 said:

Don't tell me it was Lyndon LaRouche.

March 4, 2008 4:29 PM

ealbion1 said:

drdannyu - So you knew about the Lewinsky affair before Linda Tripp did?

March 4, 2008 4:47 PM

naomi88 said:

I think the Republican crossover voting will be a wash.  If I were a Republican, I'd vote for Hillary on the assumption that she would be easier to beat. Of course, a lot of Repubs relish the opportunity to stick it to her, and will go with Obama.

March 4, 2008 5:09 PM

drdannyu said:

Wow.  Talk about a "Rashomon" moment.  That's genuinely disconcerting.  I distinctly recall standing in the voting booth and voting for Dole because I was appalled by Clinton's personal ethics, and since that time my brain has melded my vote with my reaction to the Lewinsky scandal.  I'm now in the somewhat staggering position of not knowing exactly WHY I didn't vote for Clinton, but being left with a pretty vague recollection.

Nothing like having one's cognitive difficulties exposed for the whole world to see, huh?  I actually had to Google "Lewinsky scandal" because I could SWEAR that was the reason I voted against Clinton, even when it patently couldn't have been.  Perhaps I was clairvoyant?  Maybe it was Paula Jones?  

March 4, 2008 5:09 PM

tomeg said:

drdannyu (to jhildner):

"It's merely my fatalism, nothing more jhildner."

Mine too, just bracing myself for the worst, which for me would be hearing Hillary crow in her crow-iest voice tone.*

*sexism police, please don't. I have voted for so many women for public office over many years, and am somewhat biased toward women in politics generally. It's just Hillary's voice and it only gets to me when she sounds, well, crow-y.

March 4, 2008 5:14 PM

WoodyBombay said:

dr. dan,

Maybe you're confusing '96 with your vote to impeach Clinton ... were you a Republican member of Congress back then?

March 4, 2008 5:46 PM

drdannyu said:

Woody, you've finally broken my cover.  I am actually Texas Congressman Lamar Smith.

Seriously, I'm totally weirded out by this.  Perhaps this is a testament to the...um...unorthodox brain chemistry I was maintaining at the time.

March 4, 2008 6:07 PM

blackton said:

drdannyu, was Linda Trippi your patient?

March 4, 2008 6:44 PM

drdannyu said:

blackie, at this point I'm reluctant to offer even hesitant recollections from the mid-90s.  I'm relatively sure that I was living in Kansas City at the time, but with my track record on this thread, someone (I nominate, oh... wandrey) will post photographic evidence that I was living in Lithuania until 2002.

March 4, 2008 7:10 PM