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06.02.2008
Is Wisconsin Good for Obama?

Responding to my post last night about how the upcoming primary terrain favors Obama, a couple of commenters wondered why I was so high on his prospects in Wisconsin. I concede that the state's by no means a gimme for him. As Harold Meyerson points out, both Obama and Clinton have paths to victory there:

Wisconsin Democrats have a long reformist tradition, as current Senator Russ Feingold could attest, and it is also home to a large white working-class vote as well. In short, it could provide the major showdown of February between Clinton and Obama, and gives Obama the opportunity to break through among the white working class voters he'll need to win in subsequent contests.

Be that as it may, the reason I'd be somewhat optimistic if I were Obama is that Wisconsin is similar to Iowa in most respects, except it's younger and less white. In CNN's 2004 entrance/exit polls (see here and here), about 32 percent of the Iowa electorate was under age 45 while 27 percent was 65 and older. In Wisconsin, by contrast, 36 percent was under age 45 while only 20 percent was 65 and older. That strikes me as pretty significant.

Also important, if slightly less significant, the 2004 exits showed the Democratic electorate in Wisconsin to be about 6 percent African American and 3 percent Latino. CNN didn't include a racial breakdown in its 2004 Iowa numbers, but the numbers for this year were 4 percent black and 3 percent "other." (I suspect "other" is mostly Latino.) Given that the number of African Americans voting in Iowa was probably somewhat higher this year than in 2004 thanks to Obama, it's probably safe to say Wisconsin will end up having about twice the number of black voters as Iowa and the same number of hispanics.

The third thing is that while Iowa's Democratic electorate was actually much more liberal than Wisconsin's was in 2004 (57 versus 43 percent self-described liberal, though some of that was probably people who turned out for Dean in Iowa but not Wisconsin), it also had a significantly smaller share of self-described conservatives (6 versus 15 percent). If you look at the results from, say, Missouri (the most culturally/demographically similar state that had a close race last night), you find that Obama cleans up among both liberals and conservatives, while Hillary comes out slightly ahead among moderates. Which is to say, the ideological diffrences between the states are very close to a wash.

Finally, don't forget that, like Iowa, Wisconsin borders Illinois and hosts what looks like an open primary.

--Noam Scheiber

Posted: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 5:51 PM with 14 comment(s)

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virginiacentrist said:

The last point is the most important one. With the GOP race basically over, indies will be drawn disproportionately to the open Democratic primary (this is one reason why Obama will win Virginia by like 30 points - along with the black vote and the upscale liberals in NOVA - hillary's only saving grace is the high asian population in NOVA - an asian smear has been occuring under the radar against Obama - and the growing latino population in NOVA).

In all open contests going forward, look for obama to build on his independent support.

February 6, 2008 6:06 PM

asnevitt said:

Seems to me that what really gives him some advantage is time. Seems that the more people get to know him the more they like him. So, if he can give each state enough time, he stands a good chance of winning people over.

I'd love to hear people start asking the candidates the tough questions about habeus corpus and torture. Obama's the only candidate I've heard come out strongly against the idea that torture is ever acceptable and to declare strongly that he will reinstate the rights of habeus corpus. Seems to me that the Democratic base would have strong feelings about these issues and they ought to hear clearly exactly where the candidates stand.

February 6, 2008 6:11 PM

ejbenjamin said:

And don't forget we've got UW-Madison here, too.  If ever there was a place for Obama to clean up, it's Madison.

February 6, 2008 6:23 PM

adamvaught said:

Badgers? We don't need no stinking badgers!

February 6, 2008 6:43 PM

Rhubarbs said:

Just to clarify the questions about Latino voters: Iowa's Latino population is small, growing, and has a large cohort of non-citizen or non-voting naturalized people. Wisconsin has a more established and slightly larger Latino population. They should be more of a factor in Wisconsin, though probably not hugely. I'd look for 5 percent of the Democratic vote, to double that for black voters.

Come to think of it, Wisconsin is the only state where I'm related to a Latino voter. By marriage on my wife's side; his family has been in Milwaukee since his great-grandfather fled civil war in Mexico a century ago. And the Latino population in Milwaukee is substantial enough that the Brewers recently added a Mexican sausage to their fourth-inning sausage races, and they also wear jerseys that say "Cerveceros" once a season in honor of the local Latino population. For the Midwest, that's a pretty big Latino cultural impact!

February 6, 2008 7:10 PM

skipper2379 said:

Thanks. I'm still skeptical that easy comparisons can be drawn between Wisconsin and its pro-Obama neighbors to the South, South-West, and West. Iowa and Minnesota are caucus states. Much noise has been made to the point that, as Yglesias puts it, Obama has cracked the caucus code. Of course, Obama could have benefited from both regional taste and those two states being caucuses; it's by no means mutually exclusive. But it is still something to consider before making comparisons.

Obama is the Senator from Illinois.

As you point out,  Wisconsin's is an open primary. I'm wondering how the end of a competitive Republican contest affects Republican voting behavior. A lot of professional conservatives seem convinced that Clinton is much easier to beat than Obama. What are the chances that Republicans, with nothing else to do, take to the role of saboteur and vote Clinton in the open primaries to come? I'm guessing most rank and file GOPers aren't so strategic/cynical. But I have learned that one shouldn't underestimate the depravity of the GOP.

February 6, 2008 7:24 PM

jhildner said:

You're all forgetting that Obama did the Monday Night Football intro for the Bears. Look for the Packer fan vote to break for Hillary, who, a few days prior to the election, will declare herself a life long cheesehead.

February 6, 2008 8:11 PM

lymon1 said:

Wisconsin's voting system is ridiculously open -- you don't even need ID if you can show up with someone who has a valid ID who will vouch that you live in that precinct.  

February 6, 2008 9:19 PM

jhildner said:

Lymon, do you mean to register or to vote?  Cause I don't think you need an ID to vote in most places -- just your signature on a form with your name on it.  Does WI let you vote without being registered beforehand?

February 6, 2008 9:43 PM

Rhubarbs said:

lymon, Minnesota has a similar system: You can register to vote on election day with little more proof of identity than a utility bill or an already registered neighbor willing to vouch for you in writing.

And you know what? Minnesota has high turnouts and no fraud.

States like Virginia, where I live now, and Illinois, where I lived a decade ago, have all kinds of formal pre-registration and day-of identification requirements. And they also have low turnouts and a consistent occurrence of fraud.

Wisconsin has somewhat more of a culture of political corruption than Minnesota. I mean, Tommy Thompson, for example. But nothing that compares to Illinois or most of the American South. The point is that the degree of electoral corruption in a state is absolutely unrelated to the degree of voter regulation. Electoral corruption is a cultural phenomenon, not a regulatory lapse.

February 6, 2008 10:25 PM

mckeeker said:

Seeing as I hail originally from Wisconsin and currently live in Minnesota, I feel like I have a pretty good pulse on this. Wisconsin is slightly less prosperous than Minnesota and there is, crudely put, more of a beer-drinking ethos to the place. This is balanced out, however, by a much higher population of African Americans, particularly in the Southeast cities of Milwaukee and Racine (my hometown) and upscale, educated bastions of liberalism like Madison. As we saw in Minneapolis, these predominantly white liberals in Madison will be turning out for Obama. And like Minneapolis, the under-thirty crowd In Madison (which is is huge, just huge) will be out in giant numbers to vote.

(Sidenote: here in Minnesota, the numbers of DFL caucus-goers broke records all over the place, rivaling the turnout in the famous election year of 68).  Much  of this will have to do with the fact that young people will be able to register the day of the election to vote.  I also think that Obama's campaign style plays better here in the upper Midwest.

February 7, 2008 12:45 PM

Tago45 said:

I am a UW-Madison student and consider myself a centrirst Independent.  I was leaning towards voting for Romney because he seemed so competent, but now that he is pretty much out of the race, I plan on voting for Hillary.  While Obama has Governor Doyle's support, Hillary has the Lt. Gov, our congressswoman Tammy Baldwin and the prominent county executive Kathleen Falk.

The primary is very open.  You can register on the same day without photo ID, and they give you a ballot with all of the parties races on it.  You just fill out the side you want and turn it in.  That is how it works with our optical scan machines anyway.

We like to say that we are politically as we are geographically.  To the right of Minnesota and above Illinois.

February 7, 2008 1:56 PM

The Stump said:

I dialed into that Clinton conference call this afternoon and was left absolutely speechless by some

February 11, 2008 6:35 PM

The Stump said:

I said it going in, and I'll say it coming out: Wisconsin was actually reasonably favorable terrain

February 19, 2008 11:56 PM