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COLUMNISTS
TODAY'S STORIES
31.01.2008
The GOP's Kvetch in California

 

 E.M. Pio-Roda ©2008 Cable News Network. 

Some quickie debate thoughts:

1.) I guess you have to start with the intense McCain-Romney exchange over whether Romney favored a timetable for withdrawing from Iraq. McCain first leveled the charge a few days before Tuesday's vote in Florida. Romney says it's a lie, and that it was introduced late in the game as a dirty trick. He's right. Romney did use the word "timetable," but clearly avoided connecting it to "withdrawal," which he opposed. McCain is putting words in his mouth. 

Every talking head I heard after the debate said the exchange benefited McCain, since Iraq is what he prefers to talk about. Here's why I think that's wrong: While Romney was obviously trying to hedge a bit with that quote (context matters, as McCain says, and "timetable" was a buzzword favored by war opponents), people already knew Romney was a little weaselly. On the other hand, it seems pretty clear that McCain was punching below the belt, and that's at odds with his reputation for integrity and candor.

2.) In general, Romney continues to be a far, far superior debater. Among other things, he got the better of the exchange over who was the closet liberal, nailing McCain on campaign finance (McCain-Feingold), immigration (McCain-Kennedy), global-warming legislation (McCain-Lieberman), the two Bush tax cuts McCain opposed, and his refusal to allow drilling in ANWR. The indictment was crisp and damning. In response, McCain got off a witty line about how Romney effectively enacted a tax increase when he raised fees in Massachusetts ("I'm sure the people that had to pay it, whether they called them bananas, they still had to pay $730 million extra"). But then he flubbed some names and statistics, which Romney promptly called him on.

McCain also gave one of the most incoherent answers I've heard at a presidential debate this campaign season. Asked how he reconciled his initial argument against the 2001 Bush tax cuts, which he said were skewed toward the wealthy, with his more recent argument that he opposed them because spending was out of control, McCain just kind of rambled from talking point to talking point. First he said working class people need help, which is why he favors a stimulus. Then he talked about being a foot-soldier in the Reagan revolution. Then he careered back to reckless spending. Then he said the GOP had lost Congress because of all that spending. It was mush.  

3.) Having said all that, there's still something that instinctively draws you to McCain and repels you from Romney. I'm not sure if it's the fact that McCain's the one who, as he puts it, chose a career in the military "out of patriotism, not for profit." Or because, as McCain said, Romney was the one who attacked first and most often. Or if it's because being both weaselly and rich makes you fundamentally unlikeable. But as long as the voters continue having a similar reaction--and the exit polls suggest they are--it's hard to see how these debates give Romney much of a boost.

4.) As usual, Huckabee was a highly appealing presence tonight. (Though Romney made quick work of his idea for massive infrastructure projects as a form of stimulus.) Huck was gracious and witty responding to Rush Limbaugh's criticism that nominating him would destroy the party ("You know, I wish Rush loved me as much as I love Rush"). He was utterly sensible when asked what he sees when he looks into Vladimir Putin's eyes ("I look at people's actions, because you can look into their eyes and their eyes can lie, but their actions don't"). And he was winning when asked whether Ronald Reagan would endorse him ("Let me just say this, I'm not going to pretend he would endorse me. I wish he would. I would love that, but I endorse him, and I'm going to tell you why...").

Still, watching Huck tonight made me feel like we'd come full circle since last summer, when he was little more than a well-spoken asterisk. He may carry a couple Southern states on Tuesday, but, at this point, he's running for what comes after the campaign (the veep slot, a cabinet position, a cable talk show, etc.), not for the nomination.

5.) This is going to sound incredibly catty, but Romney looked a little too Paulie Walnuts for my taste tonight. If he weren't a teetotaler, I'd suspect him of buying that suit after over-imbibing at his Nevada caucus victory party.

--Noam Scheiber

Posted: Thursday, January 31, 2008 12:03 AM with 14 comment(s)

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ralphnelle said:

Agreed on most accounts. However, I am really losing that instinctive draw to McCain. I thought he looked older than ever, talked too much, took obvious cheap shots, and channeled HRC at her worst with his constant condescending laugh/smile.

It's also worth noting that Romney got far more applause than McCain, and at one point I think McCain even got a subtle boo--can anyone confirm that?

January 31, 2008 12:26 AM

ChanRobt said:

Romney has a form of Edwards syndrome.  A parochial figure who comes off like a second tier, secondary market salesman.  

For all the money he's made, Romney like Edwards, just doesn't come off like a bigtime player.  He isn't credible as a national figure.

He may be brilliant, he may be just the guy we need if the economy goes south.  But he doesn't seem to have the that president stuff.

January 31, 2008 2:35 AM

Political Animal said:

MCCAIN'S MENDACIOUS MEMORY....In 2001 and 2003, Bush pushed two massive tax-cut packages through Congress, with near-universal Republican support. Indeed, it was something akin to a GOP fealty test -- to vote for the White House taxes cuts was to be.

January 31, 2008 8:59 AM

ratnerstar said:

I have a hard time disliking McCain, but sometimes he sure tries his best to overcome that.

Anyway, it pains me to say this but ... I kinda agree with Huckabee.  Does anyone believe that this stimulus package will have a significant short term effect?  A short term effect *large* enough to counterbalance the long term problem it excerbates, i.e. deficit spending and the national debt?  I don't.  I'd rather have a large scale federal government investment in infrastructure, which will bring benefits over the long term.

Sure, we'll forfeit the immediate "jolt" to the economy that the stimulus package is supposed to provide.  But I don't think that jolt will be large enough to make much of a difference anyway.

January 31, 2008 9:41 AM

epicciuto said:

I have to say I agree a bit and disagree a bit. Having been recently repelled by Hillary, and fairly moderate, I was seriously considering voting for McCain in the general if Hillary wins. His dissembling of late, coupled with this campaign performance last night which seemed dishonest and distractable, has made me reconsider. I always respected his integrity and forthrightness, and he put a dent in that. I think it's a bigger deal than you make it out.

That said, my husband made the Paulie Walnuts comment last night too! Although he also said that Ron Paul's voice sounded like Dustin Hoffman being a woman in Tootsie, which I'm not as sure I hear..

January 31, 2008 9:47 AM

blackton said:

McCain is a weak debater no question, but this was Romney's last shot. He is so transparently phony (Washington is broke!, well who broke it Mitt? Certainly not George, it broke itself and only he can fix it.) The guy is a glib empty suit and it is a wonder how McCain keeps most of his hostility in check. At this point, I would rather Huckabee be President than Romney.

January 31, 2008 10:45 AM

Daily Intelligencer - New York Magazine said:

Karl Rove writes in a Wall Street Journal op-ed today that “The Republican race…is a serious debate about serious ideas.” That obviously went to press before last night's Republican debate. And while the event happened in the Reagan Library

January 31, 2008 11:09 AM

teplukhin2you said:

True that McCain is obviously out of his depth on economic matters, but TV "debating" skills are overrated. These aren't real debates, more like dueling soundbites.

The problem for Romney is that, unlike management consulting or private equity, you're not allowed to simply junk your strategic approach and reshuffle your PowerPoint slide deck if something doesn't pan out. Values matter more than data points.

January 31, 2008 1:05 PM

willpastor said:

"Romney looked a little too Paulie Walnuts for my taste tonight. "

Paulie Walnuts is a greedy, homophobic, superstitious sycophant who embraces the use of violence to solve every dispute. How could you confuse Mitt Romney with such a man?

January 31, 2008 1:07 PM

norval13 said:

Was Romney such a business genius?  I know he made a lot of money, but he was running some sort of Layoffs 'R' Us firm, and as long as you had a strong stomach and none-too-much concern for the suffering of your fellow man, just about any reasonably competent person with Romney's kind of connections could have made 200 million dollars, too . . .

January 31, 2008 2:55 PM

ChanRobt said:

Blackie, if Huckabee were from a big state, wasn't a Baptist preacher, and never thumped a bible, he'd be a white Obama.  

Not quite the phenom, of course.  But, a breath of fresh air, very intelligent, and saying true stuff, not the focus group bullshit.

But, he's got cultural, parochial, regional problems that keep him from being credible for the office he seeks.  

He ought to run for the Senate and see if he can work himself up from there.

January 31, 2008 4:52 PM

ChanRobt said:

Tepluh, pretty much to your point, Ronald Reagan wasn't really a great debater.  

But, more important in these things than scoring perrfect points, is getting in a few strategic zingers ("There you go again") and winning the popularity contents.

You want a real debate, read the Lincoln-Douglas volumes.

And wasn't Nixon considered to have won the original tv "debates" on the radio, but lost with the majority of people who saw his five o'clock shadow on tv?

January 31, 2008 4:59 PM

The Stump said:

Over the last week, I've started to think McCain will be a pretty weak general-election candidate

February 4, 2008 1:25 PM

The Plank said:

Of the many flip-flops John McCain has performed over the past five years, the most egregious, transparently

February 14, 2008 10:53 AM