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31.01.2008
The Love-In In L.A.

Some post-debate thoughts:

1.) Much of tonight's affair was a draw. But, even during the draw portions, Obama sharpened his responses a lot relative to his recent debate performances. On health care, for example, my gut (and head) still say Hillary has the stronger position substantively. But Obama really cleaned up his slight-mess of an answer from the South Carolina debate, arguing (compellingly) that he doesn't believe there will be 15 million people left out by his plan (as Hillary claims), explaining that there will be ways to punish people who try to game the system, and that, even with Hillary's subsidies, there will be people who can't afford insurance and could therefore be fined or punished for not buying it. And, of course, Obama got to invoke Ted Kennedy on his own behalf, which never hurts.

Obama also nicely cleaned up his slightly-too-cavalier answer from the Las Vegas debate about his organizational skills. (He'd meant to say he was personally disorganized, not a lousy manager, but it gave Hillary an small opening and she exploited it.) Tonight he was much more circumspect while making the same essential point: "[P]art of the task, I believe, of leadership is the hard nuts-and-bolts of getting legislation passed and managing the bureaucracy," he said. "But part of it is also being able to call on the American people to reach higher, to say we shouldn't settle for an economy that does very well for some, but leaves millions of people behind." That's the most idealistic case for an Obama presidency and he made it eloquently.

In general, Obama gave his wonkiest performance of the campaign (which is not the same as the most tedious--which he wasn't), and it served him well. He was extremely fluent on health care policy and foreign policy and really demolished the idea that he's all uplift and no substance.  

Having said that, Hillary continues to be extremely strong on domestic policy, health care in particular. She's especially good at using the issue to do something Obama excels at--which is to invoke some broader theme. As in South Carolina, she turned it into an argument about political courage, saying she got the same advice Obama got about how controversial a mandate would be, and that she decided to support it anyway. "[B]een there, done that," she said of the likely opposition. "But if you don't start by saying you're going to achieve universal health care, you will be nibbled to death." It was a great moment for her.

2.) Apart from Iraq, immigration was the one substantive issue that wasn't a draw, and it was Obama who got the better of it. He was pitch-perfect when he said blaming immigrants for taking African Americans' jobs is a form of scapegoating. He also argued, correctly, that immigration is at best a minor cause of the economic problems facing American workers, and that the best way to deal with these problems is to put someone other than George W. Bush in charge of economic policy.

For her part, Hillary basically legitimized the zero-sum economic argument, albeit as politically-correctly as possible. I'm not entirely sure what the campaign's thinking was here--I suspect they feel comfortable about their standing with Latinos and want to consolidate their support among working-class whites (possibly even making a play for some former Edwards supporters and African Americans). But I thought it came across as a little mean-spirited and, you know, wrong.

3.) As for Iraq, it's the only exchange the Clinton camp should be truly concerned about after tonight. I'm not sure if the one-on-one format made her more vulnerable on the subject, or if it was just a temporary lapse on her part, but she did way too much parsing and explaining tonight, none of it especially persuasive. All her talk about how she was really just voting for inspectors and coercive diplomacy sounded like a jargon-filled rationalization. And Obama very shrewdly underscored the point by noting that the resolution she supported was called the "Authorization to Use Military Force" in Iraq, and that there was no uncertainty at the time about what it meant.

The great mystery here: Why didn't Hillary just assert what she usually does--that she wouldn't have voted for the war if she knew then what she knows now--and then scurry back to areas of agreement with Obama? 

4.) I thought Hillary was too cute in her response to tonight's lone Bill question. Asked how voters can expect her to control her husband in the White House if she can't control him now, she said, "[O]f course, I'm thrilled to have my husband and my daughter ... representing me and traveling around the country... but at the end of the day, it's my name that is on the ballot, and it will be my responsibility as president and commander in chief, after consulting broadly with a lot of people who have something to contribute to difficult decisions, I will have to make the call. And I am fully prepared to do that."

Good to know. But the question wasn't: Who's going to make policy decisions in your White House? The question was: Will you be able to control your husband? Coming on the heels of today's New York Times expose about Bill's junkets to Kazakhstan, I felt like she had an obligation to confront it directly. She didn't come anywhere close.

5.) Why are all these cable commentators raving about Hillary's line about a Clinton cleaning up after the Bushes? It's perfectly fine as rhetoric, though she's used it several times before. The problem is that it basically reinforces the dynasty question rather than defuse it. (Does that mean that if Jeb or George P. wins the presidency at some point, we'll have to elect yet another Clinton president? Mercy.) As with the Bill question, there's a genuine concern here that she did nothing to address.

--Noam Scheiber  

Posted: Thursday, January 31, 2008 11:32 PM with 34 comment(s)

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sprechs said:

with Hillary's response on immigration--she may have somewhat legitimized the zero-sum economic argument, but she used it to further an argument for immigration reform.  Isn't taking a right-wing talking point and reclaiming it for a progressive cause something Obama gets credit for?

January 31, 2008 11:37 PM

primwallflow said:

The only sense it which it might have been a momentum shifting outcome is that Obama proved he wasn't out of place there on stage next to HRC and answering questions about -- even getting the upper hand on -- foreign policy. Otherwise, I thought they both did Democrats proud. Points-wise I would give it to Obama, the margin was so close that I think it'll be an ink blot outcome.

January 31, 2008 11:41 PM

mollypowell said:

I can't disagree with you more on Obama. He was not very substantive and spoke mostly in platitudes and rhetoric. Clinton was the opposite, mostly substantive with some rhetoric thrown in (A Clinton needed to clean up after a Bush).

Hillary Clinton was the clear winner for me. Her answers were much more on point and detailed than his were. Especially on health care. No one knows health care like she does.

January 31, 2008 11:48 PM

Rhubarbs said:

Molly, I don't know where you were in 1993 and 1994, but the reason we haven't had universal health care for the last 14 years is Hillary Clinton. Period. Full stop. She killed it with Cheneyesque mismanagement. I was in Paul Wellstone's office at the time, and with friendly Democratic majorities in both houses Hillary and her team turned a narrow victory for health care into a crushing defeat. No Republican, not even Newt Gingrich, did as much to destroy the dream of universal health care in the last generation, as Hillary Clinton. I don't care how many meaningless factoids she's committed to memory before any debate, Hillary is the absolute last person any Democrat should trust on health care.

Failure is not experience. Not when the stakes are this high.

February 1, 2008 12:02 AM

schrek2000 said:

Overall, a very fair and I think largely correct review of tonight in my view. I do disagree about Hillary's immigration response because I heard her saying (and I am a supporter of hers) that the perceptions are realityand have a foundation in economic fact...we can't ignore what's going on and have to address the issue comprehensively and responsibly. I didn't see it as pandering but Obamatons will doubtless disagree. Well, ok.

Her position on Iraq is her position, I guess, and Noam. she did say if I knew then what we know now, etc. Though she should have stopped right there. She's clearly still defensive on that issue. And yes, Obama can say I was opposed to it from the start. So the question is whose position is more effective against McCain. That's flat out unknowable in my opinion and will be driven by events on the ground as they say. If the surge is still "working", meaning off the front pages, Obama gets little advantage and McCain is the visionary man of principal. If the country absolutely craters between now and the fall, Obama is the visionary and McCain looks flat out wrong and irresponsible. No way to predict, and everyone's just guessing. In other words, it'll be a red hot issue or fall way behind the economy.

But overall, both did just fine and Obama is especially improved. I'm happy because if he's the nominee he is clearly a much stronger one than he was. And the civility and open show of admiration was refreshing and wlecomed. (I mean jeez, I was waiting for them to start necking when the debate ended! A joke, by the way.)

All in all,  a good night to be a Democrat...Clintonista or Obamatron. I hope we all feel that way.

February 1, 2008 12:02 AM

CharlesFosterKane said:

Keep in mind what this debate was supposed to accomplish. For Clinton, it needed to be a stop-loss. Her campaign was suffering from negative attacks on Obama and an overuse of her husband. She needed to refocus the attention on her strengths, most revolving around her knowledgability. It was interesting that she ran with the "restoration" line of thinking though; basically, her argument tonight was that the 90's were pretty good and a vote for her would be a vote for that. I think she may be able to stem the hemmorhage of supporters and undecideds leaning towards her with her performance tonight.

Obama, on the other hand, was looking for growth: he had to win over the people unfamiliar with him, uncertain about his lack of experience and redainess. I think he did a good job with this, though I don't think he delivered any knock-out blows (which is hard to do anyway when your goals are positive rather than negative). For a lot of people getting their first look at him, I think he will be impressive.

Keep in mind a lot of undecideds, at least in my experience, want to support Obama, they just want to be careful about it. They may be open to or even lean towards Hillary because they know her, but part of them wants to be seduced by this exciting new guy. I have no statistical data to back me up on this, but a hunch and anecodotal clues leads me to believe the undecideds are Obama's for the taking.

If Hillary can keep up her act, most new Obama supporters will be born out of an affinity to him rather than an aversion to her. That's the best she can hope for. It may very well be enough (though if margins are close on Super Tuesday, we all know it won't be over).

One last note: the Iraq section, mercifully short for Hillary's sake, an interesting thing happened. It's like whack-a-mole, just as Hillary managed to get rid of the negativity problems, an old problem popped up and she dealt with it terribly. Her 2002 position on the war and refusal to call it a mistake really is her Achilles' Heel. Look for it to come up a lot in Obama's stump speeches and his campaign's talking points in the days before Super Tuesday.

February 1, 2008 1:13 AM

ralphnelle said:

Yes, Noam, you are matchless at this debate synopsis/analysis. Great stuff. I think you're exactly right re the immigration exchange. I can't figure out why nobody in the MSM made your point: HRC feels comfortable with hispanic voters and reached for black voters with her response, while Obama is just the reverse.

Rhubarbs, please take your message to the streets. This is the argument Obama's surrogates have failed to make for him. "Yes, Hillary has experience fighting the right wing; she has experience losing." It's so simple and devastating.

February 1, 2008 1:15 AM

CharlesFosterKane said:

Great picture, by the way.

February 1, 2008 1:23 AM

pbaume said:

pretty spot on I think Noam, generally Hills won the first half and Bazza won the second half, I thought. The thing Democrats should be concerned about is how thin both were on taxes and the economy, because thats going to be numero uno. I think McCain against either might encourage Bloomberg to enter the race as the only one with economic nous. Bill could give Hills the edge on this but she (and Obama) will have to start talking a lot more about it in a lot more detail.

February 1, 2008 1:26 AM

jhildner said:

This debate seemed to reflect the candidates' views that they are doing fine and that the lawyerly squabbling does them both -- and the party -- damage.  Good enough, but...

To me, the Iraq vote is a big deal, a big weakness for Hillary, and a big point by Obama tonight.  This isn't a little issue, and it doesn't even matter what your opinion is (or was) of the war.  It goes to judgment, yes, but also character and leadership.  This was, by far, the most important vote of her career -- to authorize what she now, along with everyone else, regards as an epic disaster.  When the chips were down, she *did what was popular.*  She is not stupid, as her rationale would suggest.  Blitzer got booed for saying, "so, you were naive to trust Bush," but the bottom line is, her argument is that she trusted Bush, when everybody at the time who could read the headlines, as Obama put it, knew that a vote to authorize war was a vote to go to war -- not for "coercive diplomacy."  She said straight out, I underestimated the extent to which the administration was dead set on this path.  Talk about mis-underestimating!  Nobody else was.  *I* wasn't, and it's not even my day job.  All I had was a television.  And, anyway, what about the Levin amendment?

Obama's lines about being "*right* from day one" and ending not just the war but "the mindset that got us into the war in the first place" were right on.  We were scared and fooled into this mess.  Hillary claims she was fooled but she was really scared too, but a different kind of scared.  The kind of scared that says, "I want to be president in '08."  She has tried, a lot more successfully in the past, to dispose of the question and get off the topic, sometimes aided by the format and the questioning.  Tonight, she struggled, perhaps keenly aware of the "no squabbling" theme both campaigns had obviously settled on.  She was left to actually explain herself.  But the hard facts for her, on this, are not good.  (Obama's are strong -- we shouldn't have gone in, but now that we have, we need to get out carefully -- in my view, the only right position to have, and certainly a consistent one.)

I think Obama is absolutely right.  When the issue is Iraq, he'll have better facts on his side against the Republican nominee (especially McCain) once again.  Hillary will have been for the war before she was against it.  And this is *war* -- not such-and-such bill.  Say, the bankruptcy bill.

February 1, 2008 1:46 AM

huntlib said:

All of Hillary's great answers on policy questions were mired in meandering, technical language. No one besides wonks and obsessives understands that stuff.

February 1, 2008 2:05 AM

basman said:

I thought Hillary gave a reasonable answer on Iraq: she voted for coercive diplomacy and was assured by Bush that he would not act pre emptively and having the inspectors in was a good idea.. I don't know how much that position pales in comparison to Obama's speech opposing the war when there was no political cost to making that speech, and then musing about how he might have voted had he been in the senate, and then voting continuously  to fund the war. Hillary is right not to pander the way John Edwards did, begging for absolution for the error of her ways. She did not hammer Obama on his arguable diffidence about Iraq--though she wanted to--I think as a strategic matter so as not  not to get back to the fairy tale line of argument (which line of argument is defensible) in order to eschew any perception of being too divisive or negative.

I thought Obama held his own, but taking it all in, I'd rather she than he be your commmnader in chief.

Hard to say assertively who won the debate. Both my wife and I thought Hillary did, but, then, we like her a lot.

But oh man are these two ever superior to McCain and Romney.

February 1, 2008 2:06 AM

haoledave said:

My big problem with this debate?  It was set-up with the East Coast in mind.

It started from what, I gather, was the usual starting time of these debates -- 8:00 pm EST.  But, considering it was hosted in California and has special appeal to California voters (granted, there are a lot of other states having primaries on Feb 5), I'm sure many interested people on the West Coast -- including myself -- didn't get home for it until it was halfway done.  (I got home about 6:15, here in San Francisco.) So instead, we're left to get the media's reviews of it, if we bother at all to check the media.  (Early media reviews indicate it was something of a draw.)  

This would have had a similar, though lesser effect, on states on MST (like Colorado).  

February 1, 2008 2:41 AM

psantillana said:

NOam, about #5, they were raving about that line because it got the biggest applause of the night. I think Hollywood people are essentially sanctimonious haters. They just love hating Bush uber alles, and they love Hillary because they love power, and the Clintons = power to them, Bush beating power.  They are unimaginative, small minded people. The biggest applause Obama got tonight was anti-war stuff, because they also hated the war. But they won't penalize Clinton for it.

February 1, 2008 5:08 AM

AaronBBrown said:

Great Debate, Obama and Hillary were both phenomenal at times, I give them each an A+, this is how Democrats are supposed to comport themselves.  

To the Republicans in the coming general election I say, Lasciate ogne speranze, voi ch’intrate (Abandon all hope, ye who enter here) for the hell of being cut to pieces awaits you.

jhildner & Rhubarbs

You guys are so f--king smart, rest assured when I choose my debate team you'll be my first picks.

basman

Itzik every time you open your pie-hole it irks me, and the revulsion that rises in my gullet makes me want to take up my old favorite hobby of TROLL hunting.  Gather the grumbling villagers together their torches and pitchforks held high, and march off into the night in search of the monster.  I can see you now on the castle parapet, maddened crazed gesticulations accompanying angry unintelligible grunted warnings.  

BURN THE CREATURE!!!

:-)

February 1, 2008 5:36 AM

miceelf said:

Am I think only one who noticed that Senator Clinton basically acknowledged taht the first CLinton administration was a co-presidency???

February 1, 2008 5:48 AM

fougasseu said:

Two great candidates. If McCain had been on the stage he would have been creamed.

Head vs. Head: A tie.

Heart vs. Heart: Obama wins again.

On Iraq: Obama.

On immigration, healthcare, and the economy: A tie.

He's getting stronger, sounding smarter, more presidential. She's holding her own; the first parts of her answers are better, less wonky, then she does that amazing instantaneous mential calculus that is uniquely "Clintonian" - and you feel like you're being played.

The venue was an abomination. A stage in Babylon? With camera pans to Diane Keaton, Rob Reiner and Josh from "West Wing"? Hystericallly stupid choice. Who made that decision?

Gergen and Donna B. are terrific, Toobin so-so, and then smirking Bill Bennett. What's with the smirk? All of these smirking and winking Republicans. Weirdos.

February 1, 2008 6:08 AM

Wandreycer1 said:

My goodness aaronb - basman is one of our more thoughtful posters. He's been a very polite Hillary supporter. We must be kind ad humble to our Canadian lawyer friends, for they know us in ways we do  not know ourselves.

I thought both Obama and Hillary were so impressive, it made me proud to be a Democrat - although I give it to Obama for the "the act was called the Authorization of Force in Iraq Act..." line alone.  He also seemed very confident, loose and Presidential n a way I haven't seem yet in these debates, although Hillary is strong there too.  Hillary's inability to be honest and *forthright* about her mistakes, and her thought processes, grate on my nerves more every time I see it.  

Agree with the poster who said we'll need to bone up on economic details soon - the storm cometh.  Was shocked there wasn't more on that.

I also agree that Bloomy would be a great addition to any administration on this count, he's an absolutely terrific economic administrator - but do understand that he cleaned up Rudy's disaster (we were about a week away from declaring bankrupcy) by instituting a stiff, one time tax increase on property owners.  He promised to rebate it though, and two and a half years later did so.  

I just don't see the rest of America quite going for that (considering what a large percentage of wealthy, liberal property owners we have here, he also had little real resistance.  Most people said - "eh? Why not - OK."  Imagine that happening in Idaho  or Texas. Not.)

February 1, 2008 7:03 AM

Bukharin said:

If Hillary came out and admitted the deciding factor for her Iraq vote was Colin Powell’s testimony to the UN I could believe her easily.  I considered Powell to be an erstwhile gentleman devoid of the innate grandstanding and buffoonishness plaguing the entirety of Bush & Company.  Was I ever wrong.

At any rate I'm not sure of the timeline of these events vis-a-vis the vote and Powell's presentation to the UN.  Suffice it to say, Clinton took the safe route - she wanted to be perceived as sufficiently hawkish in order to one day be Commander in Chief.

February 1, 2008 9:23 AM

basman said:

As at about 9:37 a.m. I see on RealClearPolitics, that Hillary's numbers have slipped about a point or two of late nationally down to an 8% lead, that she is down a tad in New Jersey, but seems to be holding own there, in New York and in California.

I'm a fairly lousy reader of this kind of information.

Could someone comment on what *seems* to me be a significant lack of movement away from her?

February 1, 2008 9:41 AM

Bukharin said:

Could someone comment on what *seems* to me be a significant lack of movement away from her? - basman

Thought certainly premature to be definitive, it appears Edwards people have gone over to Hillary.  Amazingly Hillary has a greater lead over Obama than Romney has over McCain in Massachusetts.

Marty can't be too pleased.

February 1, 2008 10:20 AM

blackton said:

I think Hillary won the debate for me, mostly because I was getting fed up with her nasty style of campaigning. I wish the woman who showed up last night was the woman who ran that way from the start, it makes the danger of people thinking "OBama for VP" much greater for Obama.

And Basman is no kool-aid drinker, never was. He acknowledges peoples concerns, so Aaron, if you are making a joke, fine, if not you are way off base.

And Noam, I am getting freaking tired at people calling Hillarycare universal. It is not even close. Most of the uninsured in America are either illegals or permanent residents, they are not eligible for low income subsidies to buy insurance so they will be left out of this universality lie.

February 1, 2008 10:25 AM

virginiacentrist said:

Basman:

Very few polls conducted post SC (and post Kennedy). The ones that have been conducted show movement. Gallup, for example. And some Rasmussen state pols.

RE: Eastern time zone thing:

The Iraq discussion occurred at about 6:30pm Pacific. Perfect!!!

February 1, 2008 10:31 AM

jobeek2 said:

It's true that there is little movement *away from* Hillary, but there is a lot of movement showing Obama picking/catching up. Seems like undecideds and Edwards supporters are generally going to Obama (though regional differences apply re the Edwards vote), while those who already favoured Hillary are staying put. Well, thats the broadbrush generalisation type summary of the numbers.

Strategically, what this would mean is that Hillary is looking good in states where her support was already close to or above 50% - notably NY, NJ and MA, and perhaps even CA. But in a lot of the smaller Super Tuesday states where she wasnt ever polling much over 40%, Obama could easily leapfrog her. I'm thinking MN, MO, CO, AZ, CT and perhaps even CA, though apart from one poll each for CO and CT that's speculation still for now. Obama did already leapfrog her in GA and AL, relying largely on the support of black voters, and of course has IL.

Considering distribution of delegates is mostly proportionally, it may not be so important who wins this or that state though. If Hill had half the vote and keeps it until election day, but Obama moves up from, say, a third to half as well, then that alone is enough to keep Obama a real contender.

February 1, 2008 10:53 AM

Daily Intelligencer - New York Magazine said:

Last night’s Democratic debate at the Kodak Theatre in Los Angeles couldn’t have contrasted more highly with Wednesday's Republican debate. Where the Republicans sniped at each other, the Democrats focused on the Republicans (Obama and Clinton

February 1, 2008 10:54 AM

s4200 said:

I will not for either of these two spoiled kids.

Obama is totally green, but he is silly in his way, to repeat his empty ambition to be the US president.

Hillary is the same. Some will see a sanely arguing lawyer in her, but she is personally not the president type.

Maybe a small town supervisor. Hard working bureaucrat. But not anything visionary.

We can not replace John Edwards.

In order to uphold some prestige of America, McCain can be an alternative.

February 1, 2008 11:11 AM

huntlib said:

"She's holding her own; the first parts of her answers are better, less wonky, then she does that amazing instantaneous mential calculus that is uniquely "Clintonian" - and you feel like you're being played."

Well said. As each answer drags on, she not only sounds more and more poll-tested, but  incomprehensible.  

More importantly, she has a hard time becoming passionate without sounding pissed off.

February 1, 2008 11:39 AM

Bukharin said:

Yes, Noam, you are matchless at this debate synopsis/analysis. Great stuff. - ralphnelle

Lets get real here for a moment.  The only tangible reason Mr. Scheiber is spot on is unmistakebly due to Amy Sullivan’s proximity.  Cheers!

February 1, 2008 11:52 AM

Bukharin said:

"In order to uphold some prestige of America, McCain can be an alternative." - s4200

McCain's hugging Bush is a very unfortunate image etched into my mind.  McCain is an alternative alright.  That is for those who like jackboots and dream Republicans really are human.

February 1, 2008 11:56 AM

boxofrox said:

" That is for those who like jackboots and dream Republicans really are human."

Very clever. Where did you say you live? clomp, clomp, clomp, clomp

I thought that Hillary controlled the rhythm of the debate in the first part. Then as has been noted she ended up rambling a bit. Sometimes seemed to dissemble. Good performance though for all of you witch hunters. She was able to ameliorate that 'win at any cost, even if it's my humanity' kind of thing that the Clintons have earned so well. Smiling and relaxed and even likable. Flat out bad interest rate idea though.

Obama did fine. Held his own and got some licks in. I happen to think he helped his cause by presenting a reasonable alternative. Pulled that pie down out of the sky a little bit. I like his transcendent transitional imperatives. He is trying to pool those people in the middle who are tired of vitriol and acrimony. I think he will ultimately be more successful in turning down and tuning out the noise. Background and otherwise. Thus part of my reason for rooting for the young man. I have no problem with disagreement. Maybe even profound disagreement. But let it be forthright. Let us not assume moral depravity. Maybe we can get somewhere down the road....together.

February 1, 2008 12:35 PM

AaronBBrown said:

Super Tuesday Preview, 1/31/08

www.dailykos.com/.../446831

February 1, 2008 2:11 PM

AaronBBrown said:

Super Tuesday Preview, 1/31/08

www.dailykos.com/.../446831

February 1, 2008 2:11 PM

adamvaught said:

virginiacentrist,

Click on AaronBBrown's like. Looks like the Kossacks have embraced "Boratgate."

Victory is yours!

February 1, 2008 3:26 PM

adsprung said:

Re: "All her talk about how she was really just voting for inspectors and coercive diplomacy sounded like a jargon-filled rationalization":

May have sounded that way, but it wasn't.  In her Oct 2002 Senate speech, Hillary framed her support for the resolution to use force in Iraq precisely as a vote for "inspectors and coercive diplomacy":

Even though the resolution before the Senate is not as strong as I would like in requiring the diplomatic route first and placing highest priority on a simple, clear requirement for unlimited inspections, I will take the President at his word that he will try hard to pass a UN resolution and will seek to avoid war, if at all possible.

Because bipartisan support for this resolution makes success in the United Nations more likely, and therefore, war less likely, and because a good faith effort by the United States, even if it fails, will bring more allies and legitimacy to our cause, I have concluded, after careful and serious consideration, that a vote for the resolution best serves the security of our nation. If we were to defeat this resolution or pass it with only a few Democrats, I am concerned that those who want to pretend this problem will go way with delay will oppose any UN resolution calling for unrestricted inspections.

So it is with conviction that I support this resolution as being in the best interests of our nation. A vote for it is not a vote to rush to war; it is a vote that puts awesome responsibility in the hands of our President and we say to him - use these powers wisely and as a last resort. And it is a vote that says clearly to Saddam Hussein - this is your last chance - disarm or be disarmed.

Full speech at clinton.senate.gov/.../details.cfm.

February 2, 2008 6:20 PM