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TODAY'S STORIES
30.01.2008
What Florida Tells Us About the GOP Race

Some thoughts about tonight's Florida GOP primary*:

1.) After Michigan (and even after last Thursday's debate in Boca Raton), we all marveled at Mitt Romney's transformation from implausible conservative to highly-believable businessman-pragmatist. After Florida, it looks like the Romney campaign may have had it right all along: Romney's base came into focus pretty clearly tonight, and it's not middle-class people worried about the economy, but wealthy people and conservatives.

For example, consider the biggest difference between Florida and Michigan, where the top two finishers switched spots. In Michigan, Romney won every income category above $30,000 per year. In Florida, Romney only won upper middle-class voters (between $100,000 and $200,000), while he and McCain tied among middle-class people ($50,000-$100,000) and Romney lost decisively among working-class Republicans. The question you have to ask after Florida is: Was Michigan an aberration--the result of McCain's excessive straight-talk about manufacturing jobs and Romney's auto-industry pandering (not to mention his native-son advantage)? I suspect it was. After tonight, it's not clear Romney has much appeal beyond his country-club demographic. (Keep in mind that, even in Michigan, Romney didn't carry people who thought the economy was "poor;" just people who thought it was "not good" or "good.")

2.) With McCain's existing lead in a lot of the bigger February 5 states (e.g., California and New York), the boost he'll get from Florida, and his imminent Giuliani endorsement (which should be key in a place like New Jersey), it's hard to see how Romney derails the "Straight Talk Express." The only ray of hope I see for him is on the money front. Thanks to continued conservative and establishment skepticism (as in Michigan, Romney won Floridians who describe themselves as "very conservative" and basically tied McCain among the "somewhat conservatives"), even this victory won't necessarily net McCain a lot of cash. Romney, on the other hand, still has his massive checkbook to fall back on. A campaign official told Newsweek's Howard Fineman tonight that Romney would be willing to dump another $20-$30 million into his February 5 effort. That, to put it mildly, is not nothing. 

One thing to watch here is what K Street does over the next week. If all the GOP lobbyists and interest-group types rally behind (read: give money to) McCain, this thing is over. If they reserve judgment till after Super Tuesday, Romney has a sliver of a chance. (Though only a sliver. One big killer for him: Many of the forthcoming GOP contests are winner-take-all, meaning any sort of guerilla delegate-hunting strategy is off the table.) 

3.) Did that vaunted Charlie Crist endorsement pay dividends? Tough to say. According to the exit polls, almost 20 percent of voters said Crist's endorsement was very important, and McCain won more than 60 percent of them. On the other hand, if you look at when people made their decision, it's not so clear it mattered. Crist endorsed McCain Saturday night, and McCain did win people who made their decision over the last three days by two points. But that's the exact same margin by which he won people who made their decision over the last week, implying no endorsement effect.

Having said that, it wouldn't shock me if Crist ended up as McCain's running mate. True, Crist is a moderate, and McCain will need someone who can reassure conservatives. But Crist is also the wildly popular governor of Florida, which the GOP will almost surely need if it wants to win in November.

4.) While we're on the subject of running mates, I heard Tim Russert say Mike Huckabee had a leg up in that department. Hmmm.... True, a Baptist preacher cum Southern governer looks great on paper for someone like McCain, who'd need to shore up his conservative flank. But Huckabee is, if anything, a bigger GOP apostate than McCain is. The guy's spent much of the last six weeks attacking the GOP's "Wall Street-Washington axis"--by which he means the same supply-siders who are already deeply suspicious of the senator from Arizona. I just don't see it.

5.) Was Rudy's strategy flawed, or was it the candidate? I say the latter. Rudy spent a good chunk of time and money in New Hampshire in November and December. The net effect was to move his numbers down. I don't see how he would have helped himself getting slaughtered while trying to win there and in Iowa and South Carolina. The stars aligned for him on the relatively friendly terrain of Florida, giving him a shot he didn't deserve after sitting out all that time. It still wasn't even close. I blame Rudy: Something (possibly many things) about him was just deeply unappealing to Republicans.     

6.) Finally, let's say something about evangelicals. That Romney tied for the lead among white evangelicals tonight is pretty heartening for someone, like me, who'd rather not live in a country where anti-Mormon bigotry is a deal-breaker for the presidency. On the other hand, I wouldn't be too heartened by what happened tonight. Romney and Huckabee both finished with 31 percent of the white-evangelical vote, with McCain a close third at 28. But I'd bet a solid majority of those Huckabee voters would have supported McCain in a two-man race. The Huckabee supporters are probably the most religiously conservative evangelicals out there--and, therefore, the most likely to be suspicious of Mormons. And, in fact, when Huckabee supporters were asked to name their second choice, 26 percent chose McCain versus only 20 for Romney.

File the evangelical stuff away since it could be a factor in those non-Southern states, like Missouri, which both McCain and Romney (but probably not Huckabee) will contest on February 5. (It sounds like Huckabee's going to focus mostly on the South that day.)

Update: A commenter points out that Huckabee could compete in Missouri on February 5. It's possible--the demographics are certainly favorable to him. On the other hand, he's so low on cash I'm not sure he's going to be able to compete anywhere outside the actual South (Arkansas, Alabama, Georgia, and Tennessee all vote that day). Still, for the sake of argumnent, replace Missouri with Minnesota or Colorado and the point still stands.

*Please note that exit polls continue to get updated throughout election night. If you notice a mistake, that's the second-most-likely explanation, behind the rank carelessness of your correspondent.

--Noam Scheiber

Posted: Wednesday, January 30, 2008 12:35 AM with 26 comment(s)

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stgla said:

re #5: Give yourselves some credit.  I think TNR ran Dump on Giuliani Week which made him look like an insane clown.  Not that TNR is mass market reading, but somehow I think you guys have more influence that you realize (e.g. "Pin Prick").

PS Missouri is basically a Southern state.  It's not too different from its neighbor Arkansas.

PPS Regarding your comment about Romney's success with wealthier voters,I keep thinking of his comments (in the FL debate?) about those "poor people" who have homes in BOTH Florida and New York...

January 30, 2008 1:31 AM

srendall2 said:

What I'd like to know is this: if the contest is ultimately between McCain and Obama, is it possible that conservative evangelical voters will be more attracted to Obama?  This would be another reason for favoring Obama over Clinton, who would presumably be less attractive to that segment of the electorate.

January 30, 2008 3:08 AM

Maverick_VII said:

About McCain's VP pick, I've gotta wonder if people aren't missing a bigger point here. McCain's pick might actually really matter. He'd be the oldest president in history, people really have to wonder if for whatever reason, his VP might actually have to step up at some point.

I think that, too, will count against Huckabee, and suggests that McCain shouldn't stray far from the fold in choosing a candidate. Romney would be a good call, but I suppose with the degree of obvious personal animosity and the attack ads Romney has run it's not on the cards.

January 30, 2008 5:01 AM

lymon1 said:

Running mate for McCain if he wins:

1)  If he's running against HRC, pick Colin Powell.  Forget the dropoff in the base, you'll crush her and make GOP inroads into the Dem's African-American base for the first time since Reconstruction.

2)  If he's running against Obama, I'd try to find a woman palatable to conservatives.  Libby Dole?  Eh.  I'd need to think on this more...

January 30, 2008 9:33 AM

blackton said:

If Hillary wins the nomination, I have to think that McCain will take Condi Rice, for a true 3fer (Single, black, female) and I don't see many conservatives putting up a public fuss (what, she is good enough for Secretary of State but not the VP?). After Hillary's performance so far that can cost her big. And McCain won't have to worry about the base if Hillary is there. But if Obama is nominated than he can go for   whoever he wants because a Condi bid won't pull any black votes or women votes away from Obama, in which case he would need to shore up his base. I still think he might go for Huckabee, he will have two of the three, nat. sec. and social issues base on his side and I have to imagine the money crowd will vote for the Republican everytime. Huckabee is a proven debater, and as VP he won't have to defend his nutty positions, but instead defend McCain.

Guiliani is gone. Hallelulah. And the plastic man is on the way out too. Great night.

January 30, 2008 9:55 AM

sabatia said:

As someone who spends hours a day trolling R web sites(I am a Mass. anti-Romney troll!), I can tell you the vitriol between the candidates is not less than the Rs feelings for Hillary. There is a segment of Evangelicals who will never vote for Romney. The issue is competing missionaries in third world countries and even in Europe. They are less concerned with Mormonism than the leg-up having a Mormon president would give to Mormon missionary efforts. I also sense that a significant number of Evangelicals are intrigued by Huckabee's anti-wealthy establishment language, which is much closer to Democratic rhetoric. These Evangelicals are also very angry at the conservative establishment for not supporting Huck. There is also a sense that they feel used by the Rs, which is causing significant disillusionment. On the otherhand, McCain is very consistently anti-abortion, even if he doesn't come across as a fanatic. So I think the ground has been plowed to have Evangelicals be less than enthused about the R nominee and some of them will either sit this one out or consider voting D. Its clear from all the R posts that many of this unknowable number of Evangelicals are intrigued by Obama. Interestingly, last evening a surprising number of Rombots(mostly Mormon) who hate John McCain were talking about how they could go for Obama, because he would treat their faith with respect.

January 30, 2008 10:00 AM

Rhubarbs said:

I'm tellin' y'all, any Republican ticket with Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin in the VP spot buries Hillary. Probably wins 40 states. McCain plus any younger-than-Libby-Dole woman beats any Hillary ticket. Libby Dole would be such a retrograde, transparent-but-blockheaded identity choice that it would probably sink McCain's candidacy entirely. Plus Dole is just not a very good campaigner.

January 30, 2008 10:53 AM

fougasseu said:

7.) Limbaugh shows, again, that he is the Wizard of Oz of the GOP, the great and all-powerful voice of an army of listeners...not voters. Losing big in Florida: Roger Ailes, Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh and the other Father Coughlins of Talk Radio. Will McCain take them on, assume the leadership of the GOP, or continue to pander to the far-right base?

January 30, 2008 12:51 PM

Lundell said:

Good analysis.  I think the only thing that saves Romney now is a concerted "Anyone but McCain" effort, but those types of things don't usually succeed.  Romney still has presence--although it's starting to look like "Chronic Second Place Presence"--throughout the country and if he can forestall an endorsement, he could at least force something at the convention.  But again, that hill is looking steeper  and Romney appears to be driving a Yugo instead of something with 4-wheel drive right now.

As for the VP choice, up here in Minnesota, Republicans are giddy with the prospects of a coronation of McCain and the choice of Minnesota Governor Tim Pawlenty as his running-mate.  Pawlenty is photogenic and hits all the right conservative notes (and was an early and active McCain supporter), but I don't know what he would bring to the national ticket outside of providing some comfort to conservatives in the 30 to 50 demographic.  But given McCain's age, maybe a generational choice would serve a greater purpose.

January 30, 2008 1:23 PM

butchie b said:

Obviously I'm pleased that Sen. McCain won last night. An even bigger winner is Gov. Crist, who not only backed the right horse, but publicly supported a property tax reducing constitutional amendment that needed 60% to pass and got 64%.  Big night for Charlie.

I don't think it's over yet, as Mitt has oodles of cash, but McCain is the front-runner now.  The pick of Gov. Palin of AK would be an inspired one.  She would do our party much good.  Condi would be excellent as well.

And fougass, one thing John McCain is NOT famous for is pandering.  To any base, far-right or any other kind.

If y'all would be so kind as to nominate HRC, we'd love to crush you in Nov.

January 30, 2008 1:28 PM

blackton said:

hey butchie, you know the Democrats are in trouble if a Bush hater like me will vote for McCain over Hillary. Last night was wonderful. Any Republican who makes Rush nuts has my vote. Who do you like for VP?

January 30, 2008 2:20 PM

blackton said:

butchie, sorry wasn't clear, who do you prefer for his VP, Palin or Condi?

January 30, 2008 2:21 PM

jobeek2 said:

"Missouri, which both McCain and Romney (but probably not Huckabee) will contest on February 5."

Think again: Huckabee isn't just competing Missouri, he has called it a "must-win state": www.myfoxtoledo.com/.../Detail

Wonder whether he's setting himself up for an exit from the race after Feb 5; after all, it seems pretty unlikely that he will win Missouri..

January 30, 2008 2:42 PM

ChanRobt said:

Funny, if it's really "The economy stupid once again" Romney's being a multi-millionaire businessman didn't seem to buy him either cred or votes in Florida.  And Florida is a state that is being hit especially hard by the mortgage and housing crisis.

It may be that people believe (as in Hoover's time) that the supposed business geniuses got us into the current mess.  And they may not be the ones to get us out.

January 30, 2008 3:08 PM

virginiacentrist said:

Huckabee is such a lock to be McCain's VP that it's not funny. He's only staying in the race to keep Romney from winning...

Romney will probably pick Steve Young or something. Or maybe several underaged women.

January 30, 2008 3:10 PM

teplukhin2you said:

I can see the consultant's logic in favoring Huckabee-- southern evangelical but a fresh face; superb campaigner and stump presence-- but doesn't the man's, um extreme lightness, esp on the area where McCain too is admittedly very light ie economics, suggest that he'd be made into Quayle-meat by any Dem counterpart with a grasp of finance?

January 30, 2008 3:30 PM

kerouac9 said:

The only reason that McCain wouldn't nominate an evangelical Christian is if he's forced to by money people in the GOP.  There are more evangelical Christians in the Republican world than there are Rich White Guys, and McCain can appeal to other downscale voters because of his background and manner.  

The only reason that McCain would go for a Rich White Guy is because his financing strategy would demand it.  Would the Supply Siders and NeoConservatives really enjoy a Pyhrric victory by having one of Their Guys in the Veep spot on a losing campaign?  

January 30, 2008 3:32 PM

teplukhin2you said:

But Huckabee is outright cuckoo for cocoa puffs on just about anything related to economics (and lots of other stuff, too). I know there are lots of dumb voters out there, but my guess is that outside his native state, a Veep doesn't have much potential to bring many voters. OTOH he has the potential to scare lots of fence-sitting voters and distracting the campaign-- for what? Arkansas?

I mean, the journos have been charmed by this bozo haven't even begun to delve into the man's sermons. Once Kirchick gets through with those, my guess is Huckabee will be toxic to all but the flat-earthers.

January 30, 2008 3:50 PM

teplukhin2you said:

Wonder whether Bobby Jindall would be considered...

Or Jack Kemp?

January 30, 2008 3:51 PM

butchie b said:

Blackie, my own personal favorite is Palin, although Condi gives us some interesting angles.  I suspect it will be a governor, Huckabee is one, but also Pawlenty, Mark Sanford or Crist (too new).  Jindal is also too new, tep.  Kemp is too old and too 1996.

So far I have watched nary a debate, but Thursday night I'm going to kick back and watch HRC and BHO go at it.  Has Bill applied for a lectern yet?

January 30, 2008 4:36 PM

teplukhin2you said:

How about Michael Palin? SLogan: "Not dead yet!"

January 30, 2008 5:12 PM

The Stump said:

Some quickie debate thoughts: 1.) I guess you have to start with the intense McCain-Romney exchange over

January 31, 2008 12:04 AM

nastoffa said:

I think Colin Powell would be a very natural fit with McCain as Veep.  Both McCain and Powell score high marks for candor and integrity, and both were victims of Bush (albeit in different ways).  A Powell VP candidacy would also calm voters who are concerned about McCain's age.  Powell has gravitas and most voters could see him taking the wheel if something happened to Mac.  I also think it would draw some of the sting out of the democrat's claim of having the "historical" high ground in November.  I think McCain's distaste for the religious right wing of the party is too visceral for him to begin pandering now.  McCain is at his worst when he tries (and woefully fails) to pander.  He will figure that the religious right won't have any other choice in november but to vote for him or stay at home.  McCain/Powell 08... has a very nice ring to it.

January 31, 2008 3:32 PM

ericad said:

I think everyone needs to give up on the whole Powell as GOP VP.  He's probably still got a bad taste in his mouth from Republican politics and policies (and wasn't very effective in the run up to the war:  "if you break it, you own it" failed to slow anything down or promote any deep thought).

McCain definitely needs a young(er) running mate, someone from one of the states he loses(lost).

But really, Obama/Biden will be unbeatable, no matter if Condi Rice is the VP or whatever.

February 5, 2008 1:41 PM

The Stump said:

His CPAC speech today apparently turned into a withdrawal speech. Key passage: I disagree with Senator

February 7, 2008 1:28 PM

The Stump said:

In honor of today's Washington Post front-pager suggesting a McCain VP announcement is imminent,

July 25, 2008 12:24 PM