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13.01.2008
Does Obamamania Divert Us From the Problems of Race?

I take David Greenberg's point that Obama's election wouldn't in itself do much to solve a number of the problems facing African Americans. I also concede that some white liberals are positively delusional about what an Obama victory could bring in terms of racial reconciliation. But Greenberg comes pretty close to arguing that Obama would actually set back the cause of racial progress, or at least of solving the public policy challenges race presents, which seems pretty off-the-mark to me.

Greenberg writes:

None of this is to minimize the barriers that Obama has faced and still faces because of his race. ... And racism is a far fiercer demon in America than anti-Catholic or anti-Jewish prejudice. Nor is this analysis of what stirs his enthusiasts meant to deny that an Obama presidency would be a watershed. But neither would the election of Obama be quite the same thing as the election of Jesse Jackson or Shirley Chisholm.

Ultimately, it is a fantasy of easy redemption. America's racial history -- mixed into our culture at its foundation -- will be with us always, even as personal prejudice recedes and inequality is chipped away. For all we know, a President Obama might make the so-called underclass his top priority. But Obamamania -- the phenomenon, not the man -- leads us to believe that if only we vote for an African American, an avatar of "change" and healing, we can slough off the burdens of our past -- the burdens of finding answers to problems such as the rising number of out-of-wedlock births, the obscene size of the black male population behind bars, the rotten state of city schools, the simmering white resentment about affirmative action, the black-white gap in life expectancy and the cascade of government failures that turned Hurricane Katrina from a breakdown of emergency relief into a disgraceful racial scandal.

Obama's boosters are not fired up about finally confronting those intricate and intractable problems, for which the answers lie not in identity but in politics and policy. Inspiring and exhilarating as it is, Obamamania allows us to sidestep the hardest challenges, at least for now.

This is along the lines of the old Communist argument about liberalism--that it's a diversionary tactic deployed by capitalist overlords, a way to deceive people into thinking their lives are improving without resolving capitalism's contradictions.

We can argue about how much attention a President Obama would devote to the problems facing African Americans--though I'd argue that the evidence (at least from Obama's state senate career) suggests these problems are actually pretty close to his heart. One can also argue that, even if Obama himself is keen on solving these problems, that's not why most whites are supporting him.

But even if Obama ended up completely neglecting these problems, the symbolic fact of his presidency would make it easier to elect African American candidates who were preoccupied with them. (I'm not sure Jesse Jackson is the best example, but pick whomever you like.) That's assuming, of course, that Obama didn't turn out to be a complete disaster (George W. Bush or worse), but I doubt he would. And, in any case, that's not what Greenberg is suggesting.  

Try applying Greenberg's argument to Jackie Robinson in 1947 and you begin to see the problem. Something like: It would be great if we could integrate the Major Leagues, but this Robinson guy's too educated and affluent, too far removed from the daily existence of most African Americans. Whites relate to him too easily. He's as likely to divert our attention from the problem of racism in baseball as he is to do anything about it

Obviously symbolism matters more in professional sports--whose major contributions to society are symbolic--than it does in politics, where substantive change is the goal. But symbolism matters quite a bit in politics, too. Paving the way for others is not nothing. And it's certainly not a net negative.

--Noam Scheiber

Posted: Sunday, January 13, 2008 8:10 PM with 30 comment(s)

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ironyroad said:

Even more, one can imagine applying his argument to the situation in 1861:

"It's true that the South's secession gives us the chance to not only save the Union but also defeat the Southern plantation aristocracy and also, possibly, abolish slavery itself, which can't possibly withstand the military defeat of this "Confederacy" thing.  But the major objection is that a defeat for the South is not going to resolve the problem of racist ideas and feelings in the United States which are rampant here in the northern states and in the West also.  President Lincoln may indeed come around to addressing slavery at some point if this war goes on, but let's face it, he's obviously not going to make Abolition a prime objective of the Northern war effort from the get-go."

Greenberg's notion of "redemption" is also odd -- apart from a metaphorical usage that -- legitimately -- makes us conscious of history and memory, in what way can a society really be "redeemed," especially if it's made up of people who are not responsible for the original sin?  And would electing Jesse Jackson "redeem" the U.S. in a way that electing Obama wouldn't?  And why?  Indeed, should "redemption" be grounds for casting a particular vote for a particular candidate?

January 13, 2008 8:59 PM

jacksondyer said:

“But Greenberg comes pretty close to arguing that Obama would actually set back the cause of racial progress, or at least of solving the public policy challenges race presents, which seems pretty off-the-mark to me.”

Well, if an African American president will no improve the lives of Black people then his election will have shown to some people at least that the political system can’t be relied upon to help their cause. I don’t think that that is the case, but the consequence of such an outcome will be huge.

“This is along the lines of the old Communist argument about liberalism--that it's a diversionary tactic deployed by capitalist overlords, a way to deceive people into thinking their lives are improving without resolving capitalism's contradictions.”

I don’t believe that this is what Greenberg is arguing and the analogy is way off the mark, Noam. I do think that too many liberal and conservative commentators are too ready to see the election through the prism of race which is very dangerous.

For one thing, if Obama fails to get elected many African Americans will see this is a as sign that whites are not ready to vote for a Black candidate. It may also lead to the kind of frustrations, though hopefully not the violence that people in Kenya are experiencing. This would be ironic as Kenya is the homeland of Obama’s father.  

January 13, 2008 11:47 PM

basman said:

I'm not a particular enthusiast of Obama, but I found Greenberg's piece, while somewhat interesting as a partial explantion for, and discussion of, Obamamania, disconnected between its premises and its conclusion. If, for Greenberg, the key to Obama's allure lies in "imagining the future", and if that "imagining" enthuses mightily his supporters, it does not necessarily follow that that enthusiam, nor that Obama himself,  is, or will be, lacking in concern for, and attention to, "confronting those intricate and intractable problems," Greenberg rolls out.

That conclusion can only be based on the kind of hard headed analysis of Obama's legislative and other relevant accomplishments-the kind of discussion Sean Wilentz has noted is missing--and which is not present in Greenberg's piece; nor, unless I missed it, have I read much or any of such analysis in TNR or elsewhere either for that matter.

All this stuff about what Obama symbolizes--"great white hope" per Greenberg; a "bargainer" not a "challenger", who cannot win, per Shelby Steele--is speculative and interesting to a point. But it seems to me to be a diversion, and somewhat gauzy too. Better, I suggest, the kind of hard analysis of his actual record Wilentz has asked for, and then the drawing of conclusions from that. In fact, if you could set it up here, it could be the stuff of a great rolling debate on these very cyber pages.

p.s Ironyroad,  whaddya' hear; whaddya' say? (I've been watching too many Cagney movies lately.)

January 14, 2008 12:20 AM

Ghost in the Machine said:

In the Washington Post, Rutgers historian David Greenberg calls Barack Obama the "great white hope", and argues that his broad-based...

January 14, 2008 12:23 AM

psantillana said:

This falls into the category of hand-wringing, knot-tying, back-flipping "what if Obama is not Jesus Hussein Christ with a cherry on top?" articles.  "He's a great speaker and inspiring thousands of people, including me, so I must be an idiot zombie under his evil warlock spell." [Publius in Obsidian Wings today]. "White people love him, so he must have sold his soul." [whatshisface, I forgot his name, Harvard prof.] "People want to see a black guy as president, so they must think the mere fact of it will wipe out racism, so they don't have to really address it." - this dude. Insulting simplistic jackass.  Last sentence:

"Obama's boosters are not fired up about finally confronting those intricate and intractable problems, for which the answers lie not in identity but in politics and policy. Inspiring and exhilarating as it is, Obamamania allows us to sidestep the hardest challenges, at least for now. "

Jackass, presuming to tell me why I'm fired up?  I'm fired up about a guy who sidesteps nothing, with the necessary copmplexity of mind and depth of perception about the world and the way it works, with the ability and the inclination to address the hardest challenges, and who wants to suck us all into doing it with him - because hey, it takes a village, not just a president, HRC.  What is not to be fired up about? And where did I get this impression? Speeches, yeah, but also his books and my investigation of what he's done, state and federal.  I'm not the only one.  

Why can't pundits do this? Because their whole shtick is to be cleverer, to know the grapes are sour, to know it's all snake oil.  They're afraid to hope.  They don't want to be Charlie Brown when Lucy swipes the football away.  But you'll never kick the ball if you don't swing for it, will you?  Not everyone or everything is one big Lucy.  Nobody's Jesus H. Christ, but Obama's plenty good enough and better than we've had in forever.  Unclench, ninnies.

January 14, 2008 2:16 AM

Mozier said:

I might be a ninnie, but I need to see some substance with my inspiration.   If it's true (as Krugman writes this morning) that Obama's initial reaction to a potential recession was to propose a tax cut, then surely we have much to fear.  Another Democratic president who swings with Greenspan and the supply-siders?  That would be disastrous for the country in my opinion.

January 14, 2008 8:16 AM

LDuncan said:

What Greenberg fails to do is look to Obama's own words, which prove that Obama is well aware of the need to deflate the notion that simply electing a person with his skin color will solve the problems of black America.  Obama repeatedly has expressed thsi view, most recently just a few days ago, when he said that there was an upside to his defeat in New Hampshire:  "Because after Iowa, everybody was so giddy,” Obama said. “The notion that you win a caucus and suddenly Barack is going to be president, racial reconciliation is here, poverty will be alleviated and the world is suddenly going to realize what good people we are ... that’s not how change happens.”

More broadly, I must agree with psantanilla.  Those of us who support Obama are tired of being told that we gravitate to Obama for purely symbolic reasons and want absolution through election of a black president, when, in fact, all the evidence is that it is Obama supporters -- not Clinton supporters -- who, prior to declaring their support, have spent more time actually looking into the history, record and backgrounds of their possible choices.  Hillary Clinton's support comes disproportionately from folks who see her as a proxy for Bill Clinton.  Her supporters are like car buyers who were happy with their last Camry, and so buy a new one five years later without researching whether there are any better competitors now.  Obama's support comes disproportionately from people who have "kicked the tires."

January 14, 2008 8:27 AM

LDuncan said:

What Greenberg fails to do is look to Obama's own words, which prove that Obama is well aware of the need to deflate the notion that simply electing a person with his skin color will solve the problems of black America.  Obama repeatedly has expressed thsi view, most recently just a few days ago, when he said that there was an upside to his defeat in New Hampshire:  "Because after Iowa, everybody was so giddy,” Obama said. “The notion that you win a caucus and suddenly Barack is going to be president, racial reconciliation is here, poverty will be alleviated and the world is suddenly going to realize what good people we are ... that’s not how change happens.”

More broadly, I must agree with psantanilla.  Those of us who support Obama are tired of being told that we gravitate to Obama for purely symbolic reasons and want absolution through election of a black president, when, in fact, all the evidence is that it is Obama supporters -- not Clinton supporters -- who, prior to declaring their support, have spent more time actually looking into the history, record and backgrounds of their possible choices.  Hillary Clinton's support comes disproportionately from folks who see her as a proxy for Bill Clinton.  Her supporters are like car buyers who were happy with their last Camry, and so buy a new one five years later without researching whether there are any better competitors now.  Obama's support comes disproportionately from people who have "kicked the tires."

January 14, 2008 8:27 AM

LDuncan said:

Mozier, Krugman has become a self-parody.  He is no longer able to make careful distinctions because he is so blinded by his (justifiable) hatred of supply siders.  Obama's stimulus plan is temporary -- supply siders say that all tax cuts stimulate, even permanent ones -- and it puts dollars in the hands of poor and middle class people, who are more likely to spend the dollars to jump start the economy.  There is nothing supply side about it.  Keynesians believe that temporary spending increases and temproary tax cuts both serve as short term stimuli.

January 14, 2008 8:30 AM

boxofrox said:

Okay. I'm enlisted. I'm a soldier in the war against racism. Give me my marching orders......

1. Don't vote for Obama.

2. Fret and feel guilty.

3. Vote for Hillary.

4. Light a candle and march with Jesse.

5. Vow to never be judgemental except when placing the blame for out of wedlock births squarely upon my own shoulders.

6. Promise that I will treat every person as an individual according to what they bring forth....except for African-Americans.

7. Don't vote for Obama. He just isn't....whatever......enough.

8. Come to the understanding that way deep down I am a racist.

9. Come to the understanding that no matter what I do or say or experience I will never REALLY understand.

10. Don't vote for Obama.

Well that should show em. Uh...the racists of course. Not the blacks....I mean African-American.....individuals.......

January 14, 2008 9:25 AM

blackton said:

and of course placing a person like Nelson Mandela, who after all had such little executive experience (and spent time in prison as well) as President of South Africa won't really address the underlying racism of South Africa. This whole Mandelamania has really gotten out of hand, best to stick with white progressives for now and in a generation or two apartheid can be knocked down. What? Did I miss something? Mandela was President?

Who is this David Greenberg guy anyhow? If he is an idiot why bother to rebut idiotic statements?

January 14, 2008 10:17 AM

LISAH said:

"Liberals" can't wait to vote for a black and they also can't wait to vote for a woman. Poor widdle wiberals...so much fun to watch them squirm....

Obama is getting to run because he's black (sort of -- but he really is an African-American) and because  white liberals can't wait to show how non-racist they are. Clinton is getting to run because she's a Clinton and because her husband was president and because male liberals can't wait to sahow how non-sexist they are.

Neither is a good choice to be "first."

January 14, 2008 10:29 AM

blackton said:

LISAH, wrong, wrong, wrong. I like Obama because of his charisma and intelligence. I supported Edwards in 2004 for similar reasons. I would also have been happy with Edwards this time as well, I just think Obama has more charisma than Edwards and so do many others. How dare you tell me what I think! I can give you a hundred reasons why I support Obama without one being black and effectively destroy your reasoning, but I am being far too generous to call your rant reasoning.

January 14, 2008 10:58 AM

Wandreycer1 said:

The only people obsessed with Obama's race are the ones hectoring his supporters to stop obsessing about race. It's *almost* funny if it wasn't so absurdly presumptous and self aggrandizing.  

You know what Lisah?  How about if you stop dictating to me why I'm supporting someone and I won't dictate to you why you aren't. The mind reading just makes you look both arrogant and ridiculous.

January 14, 2008 11:04 AM

cleavet said:

Thank you, Mr. Greenberg, for a nasty piece of writing--LisaH did much better with four short sentences. Why not call Obama an "oreo" and be done with it?

Last year my father taught a short writing seminar to black, inner-city children in Tennessee. He asked them to write some sentences about who to them was a hero. Most of the writing was barely literate, and the "heroes" mentioned were mostly sports stars--Michael Vick and Pacman Jones featured prominently. Only one child mentioned Dr. King. I suggested to my father that at the next seminar he should tell the kids about Frederick Douglass, whose accusing visage still provokes shame across the ages.

An Obama presidency will not mark the end of racism, and anyone who thinks it will is naive. But to say that it will be without meaning is an insult born of despair. Free your mind, Mr. Greenberg, free your hopes.

January 14, 2008 11:06 AM

jhunger said:

Yeah, the fact that I support Obama couldn't possibly have anything to do with the fact that I agree with most of his positions on the issues.  Or, that I'm not impressed with the other candidates.  It's really because I'm just trying to do something about my liberal guilt.  

January 14, 2008 11:27 AM

LISAH said:

Okay, Blackton, WandreyCer1, and anyone else yelling at me--I'm not targeting  you or any specific voters...by no means reading any individual minds.

But I know and have known too many "liberals" to see things any other way. Sorry if you see that as stereotyping. The way this thing ginned up pretty much proves my point. It should never have become the confrontation it's become. Clinton(s) made some accurate points, maybe  badly phrased, but historically on target -- yeah -- King and the civil rights movement and what came before the '50s got it started,  but the country needed LBJ  -- and it likely took a (southwestern) southerner to do it -- to get it passed. The government had to be ready to respond. People are soooo sensitive and touchy. Anyone out there seriously think non-violence would've worked, say, against the Belgians re the Congo, as it worked against the British in India?

And Blackton -- yeah, charisma matters, given our celebrity-besotted culture, and admittedly, it has a  really useful role in getting people together to make things work.. But -- in theory, at least -- it shouldn't be anywhere near the top of the  main qualities needed in people who do  the  sort-of-important stuff like running the country. Charisma  -- and Republican dirty tricks -- got us Bush. With either Clinton (okay, she comes up kinda short in the charisma sweepstakes) or Obama, we're likely headed for a similar result...Scares me....Heard a guy tell an NPR reporter about Obama:  "I like his charisma." ....uuummm, excuse me....you like his charisma....????!!!!!

I'm staying with my main point(s) --  they're both running because the  luck of circumstances put them where they are, and that's not good enough for the problems we face today. It's also not useful/workable/whatever word I can't think os now enough for whoever should be first woman or first black...

I'll vote for whichever one of them winds up with the nomination, if that's the Dem decision, as it looks now.... But, so far at least, this hasn't been a good way to pick the next administration.

Onward to Florida, Superduper Tuesday, etc....

January 14, 2008 12:40 PM

J.J. Gould said:

blackton -- Good point about Mandela. But Bill Clinton preemptively rebutted it recently, explaining that he knows Nelson Mandela well, hangs with him all the time, and yet finds Hillary to be more awesome:

blogs.abcnews.com/.../bill-hillarys-t.html

January 14, 2008 12:45 PM

Wandreycer1 said:

Thanks Lisah, I do appreciate it - but I don't think of your liberal determinsm as sterotyping, I think of it as mind-reading - which annoys like few things can.  

The mind-reading bugs me equally from anyone - I get it alot from the lefties too as in "I know REALLY why you don't like J-Lo, even if you don't know, I know your motives and your unconscious better than you do."  It's paternalistic and suffocating.  You're normally a great poster, let's just not think for each other, deal?

January 14, 2008 12:51 PM

LISAH said:

Thanks for the (semi??!!)reprieve, Wandrey. But again, I'm not describing individuals and I'm not mind-reading individuals and I'm not thinking for other people. I'm looking at groups and at demographics....

And, at the risk of getting into more trouble here, I'll add that paternalism is a really good description for the kind of "liberal" thinking I "ranted" about above....

January 14, 2008 1:25 PM

blackton said:

Lisah, yes, but these are the two frontrunners. Personally, I had hoped for a Gore-Obama ticket, 8 years as VP would do a world of good for Obama, but alas Gore just does not have the fire to run this time. I have a number of problems with Obama, he is both a little too green and a little too GQ. If and when the shit hits the fan is he up to it? I don't know. Is he the Kennedy of the bay of pigs or the Kennedy of the Cuban missile crisis, or is he both? I do think he will be given a chance by the American people because there is a large measure of good will from which he can draw on. Maybe Hillary might be better in a crisis, but she has far less room for error, with her successes attributed to Bill and her mistakes hers alone.

January 14, 2008 2:01 PM

LISAH said:

Agree (mostly!!), Blackton...not ready to forecast the general election, though....

January 14, 2008 2:19 PM

basman said:

Blackton: can I sign you up now for our team?

January 14, 2008 2:57 PM

blackton said:

basman, as my 5 year old says when I tell him it is time for bed. Never. As I said before I am very happy with Hillary in the Senate. I hope she stays there for decades.

January 14, 2008 3:12 PM

teplukhin2you said:

OTOH, the Clintons are being nasty here, and it's not a pretty sight. OTOH, this ain't NOTHIN' compared to what the GOP slime machine will hurl at Obama in the fall if he wins the nomination.

Might as well learn how to deal with it now. Remember Dukakis? Up by 20 or so points in late 1988, then got his head handed to him after Willie Horton etc in the general? No more glass-jawed nominees like Dukakis. Not to argue that this is the best of all possible worlds, but even the seamier aspects of the process serve a purpose. Obama needs to get tough, and this will benefit him.

January 14, 2008 3:42 PM

psantillana said:

Mozier, I wasn't calling people who don't support Obama ninnies, I was talking about people who use substance-free arguments to rationalize their lack of support, specifically arguments like "people find him an inspiring speaker, THEREFORE he lacks substance, and also the people who find him inspiring are drooling morons who don't care about substance." So inspiration = bad, and let's all hunker down behind The Pedestrian One. Because being completely uninspiring means you are therefore extremely competent.

Do you see the infuriating, insulting illogic at work here? For people like you, who say you want substance from Obama, I recommend the second book, Audacity of Hope [but man, the first one is really inspiring!], and of course his website, under "issues" in particular. But if you want a perfect nutshell on why he's the opposite of an empty suit, go here:

www.samefacts.com/.../obama_against_police_torture.php

And my "ninnies" charge was directed at a particular subset of the infuriating illogical ones - people who find themselves inspired by him, but reflexively question this and beat it down, solely because they fear getting their hopes up more than anything else.

January 14, 2008 5:36 PM

basman said:

as my 5 year old says when I tell him it is time for bed. Never.

Just what I tell my wife when she tells me "nap time is over."

January 14, 2008 6:27 PM

Mozier said:

psantillana, no harm and no foul.  thanks for the link!

January 14, 2008 7:53 PM

blackton said:

J.J. Gould, thanks for the link. good God, I just thought you were joking. Bill is still trying to get out of the doghouse for his acting like a dog.

January 14, 2008 10:06 PM

purcellneil said:

Actually, I thought Greenberg was saying something about Obamamania, rather than about Obama.

Noam makes an analogy to Jackie Robinson that proves he missed the point.  Jackie Robinson didn't join the Dodgers on the strength of a wave of fan support. Greenberg is talking about the wave.

Greenberg makes a point that Sean Wilentz made earlier -- the mania for Obama's candidacy is detached from specific programs to actually bring about change (and as Michael Kinsley argued, how many of these people supporting Obama really want change?).  I understood Greenberg to be saying that it is not enough to vote for Obama -- although the symbolic value of a President Obama will be great, the truly significant change is not in whom we elect but in establishing a mandate for change and providing the power to make it happen.

January 15, 2008 1:42 PM