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09.01.2008
How'd Obama Lose? Ask Barry Bonds

A couple quick thoughts on what happened tonight:

1.) As I mentioned earlier, I think John Edwards played more than a trivial role here. Between double-teaming Hillary at Saturday's debate and punching her in the nose (rhetorically) after her brush with tears, I think he evoked a certain amount of sympathy for her, particularly among women. That dovetailed with voters'--again, particularly female voters'--reluctance to see her get bounced from the race so quickly, which the media told them was about to happen (and almost seemed to be rooting for).

That Hillary did so well, according to the exit polls, among voters who made their decision in the last three days (whom she narrowly lost) and on Election Day (whom she won) would seem to support this theory. You'd obviously have expected Obama to do better among voters who made up their minds recently, given his Iowa momentum.

2.) Moreover, by doing relatively poorly in New Hampshire, Edwards probably coughed up a significant number of working-class voters, which the exit polls show favored Hillary by a significant margin.

3.) Speaking of working-class voters, one big question is how Obama did so well among them in Iowa, but so poorly among them here. A number of people have suggested that racism was a factor: people want to be perceived as racially progressive in a public forum like a caucus, so it wouldn't have been a problem for Obama in Iowa. But in the privacy of your voting booth, you can let your prejudices run amok.

That may be part of it. I'd suggest a slightly different theory: The working class is hardly monolithic. It's entirely possible that the white working class in Iowa and elsewhere in the midwest is simply more progressive on race than the white working class in New England. Des Moines, after all, recently had a two-term mayor, Preston Daniels, who was black and whose geographic base of support wsd the working-class precincts in the East and Southeast part of the city. I don't know as much about the success of African American policians among working-class whites in New England (Deval Patrick would be instructive here), but obviously this demographic has a reputation for being somewhat racist. (There's a reason Barry Bonds said he could never play in Boston.) The reputation could be unfair, but it's certainly worth exploring further.

The big question going forward, I think, is whether black voters in South Carolina look at the Iowa rersult and conclude that whites will happily support an African American presidential candidate, or whether they look at New Hampshire and conclude that they won't. Or something in between.

4.) My back-of-the-envelope calculation is that about 40 percent of registered independents voted on the GOP side, versus about 60 percent on the Democratic side--which is on the low end of what most pundits and pollsters were expecting. This probably made some difference at the margins.

--Noam Scheiber 

Posted: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 2:12 AM with 16 comment(s)

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teplukhin2you said:

Re #3, racism, oh, please... Get real. These are liberal Dems in a blue state, fer chrissake. And those who came down overwhelmingly for Hillary are liberal WOMEN blue-state Dems. For this theory to hold any water at all, you'd have to assume that liberal women NH Dems are not just racists but MORE racist than their male peers, more racist than independents of either sex.

Could we please havea moratorium on crap memes from the chattering classes? At least until Andrew Sullivan moves on to his next man-crush?

January 9, 2008 2:21 AM

rozenson said:

"At least until Andrew Sullivan moves on to his next man-crush?"

Speaking of politically incorrect . . .

January 9, 2008 3:26 AM

spurious said:

'The big question going forward, I think, is whether black voters in South Carolina look at the Iowa rersult and conclude that whites will happily support an African American presidential candidate, or whether they look at New Hampshire and conclude that they won't. Or something in between.'

I've seen this meme on TNR about a dozen times now, and it continues to hold water like a balloon holds fire. South Carolina blacks won't support Obama unless they think whites will? So they're thinking, better not go with Obama, whites won't swing his way, he'll lose in the long run; better support a different candidate or none at all, that way Obama will . . . um . . .

I mean, I think I know what you're getting at: inspired by the thought of a first black president, they'll all come down to make history, provided they believe history is going to be made. Otherwise they'll stay home. Hmm . . . That has a faint hint of something about it, I'm sure unintended, and I'll just call it 'condescension' rather than open up a can of worms.

In any case, while I'm sure more black folk will pull for Obama than any other Democratic candidate, they're not a monolithic block--and may well be sick of being told they are.

January 9, 2008 3:40 AM

psantillana said:

Well, obviously a lot of Hillary's supporters made up their minds in the last three days because 3 days ago, Obama was 7-10 points ahead. What happened in those 3 days? Pile-on + tears = sympathy? Plus if he's 7-10 points ahead, figures the Independent, and McCain is only 4, then I might as well save this country from Mitt Romney.  

Hopefully the black voters in SC will see that 1st place by 7 points in a state with 57 delegates and a second place by 3 points in a state with 30 means white people like him.  Because: duh.

Thank you,

goodnight.

January 9, 2008 3:54 AM

psantillana said:

And it's not racist of Noam to ask the question, because apparently - who knew? - it's about not getting hopes up. I don't understand it either, but what the hey.

January 9, 2008 3:57 AM

purcellneil said:

Race is always a factor, and not only among the "working class", but the difference in NH was in the women -- in NH they went for Hillary in a big way.  And given the data about people sho made up their minds on election day, I would think that points to the effect of the debate and tears incident rather than the influence of racial prejudice (unless people woke up on election day and remembered suddenly that they don't like black people).

Neil

January 9, 2008 8:23 AM

asistos said:

Actually, the number of people who "made up" their minds on election day can be seen as an indication of the Bradley Effect: a statistically large number of voters who previous claimed they were undecided broke for the white candidate.

Yes, that could also mean they were swayed by The Tears.  Or it could mean that both factors were at play.

January 9, 2008 10:21 AM

Wandreycer1 said:

I have a couple of very successful professional female friends in their late 50's who are fervid Hillary people - they've taken time off work and walked the streets in Iowa and NH and I've emailed with them on their adventures.  They have big hangovers this morning.

They are motivated by something I can't  identify with - they (and a huge troop of them who traveled together) are all about the girl power thing to the exclusion of all else.  This time, it's personal and trying to talk them out of that mindset is pointless.

I don't think this win has much to do with Obama at all.

(don't think they aren't motivated to shove this down the throats of the Andrew Sullivan's of the world. Honestly, this girl power thing is an all-encompassing, unapologetic mindset, God help us all - fair or not, like I said - that is irrelevant to them).

January 9, 2008 10:50 AM

The Ignorant Populist said:

Sullivan does go over the top on his political loves, doesn't he. Bush, Paul and now Obama. His visceral hatred of the Clintons is also a bit embarrasing to read. I'm starting to discount his ramblings.

January 9, 2008 1:19 PM

teplukhin2you said:

Well, I'm not one for Girl Power but I would dearly like to see Mommy Politics gain sway in this country. That's another way of saying, move us away from dumb machismo in our f-p and criminal justice policies, move us away from bread-and-circus monetary/fiscal policies toward an ethos of provision for the future and for each other.

As moms know best, help the puppies, not the yuppies. Go Moms!

-- proud member of the Mommy Party

January 9, 2008 2:16 PM

psantillana said:

Sullivan is not the asswipe you all think he is; he constantly prints dissents, and even though he is super-opinionated and colorful, he balances that with self-doubt and a bent towards thorough analysis.  Has he been horribly wrong in the past?  Hell yeah.  Has he flogged himself publicly and repeatedly with a fine tooth comb since?  Yes again.  Today he is absorbing and understanding the backlash.  Go look.  

But the women you describe, Wandrey, they sound like they've been the ones on the front lines of sexism, and it's done something to them, turned them into the Tom Courtenay character in Dr. Zhivago.  Unfortunate, and understandable.  But I'm not signing on to that.

January 9, 2008 4:16 PM

LDuncan said:

Tep, I agree that we should move toward less machismo in F-P and criminal justice.  You label that "Mommy Politics," but, regardless of the label, Hillary is not a practioner of it.  She was the only Democrat to oppose retroactive repeal of the absurd and inexplicabel crack/powder sentencing distinction.  She dropped a mailer suggesting Obama is too liberal, because she supports and he opposes federal "mandatory minimum" sentences, which every respected criminal justice scholar -- conservative or liberal -- thinks are terrible public policy.  

January 9, 2008 5:35 PM

LDuncan said:

There's a big danger -- evident here and in the media generally -- to commit the mirror image of the sin we all (myself included) committed in the five days after Iowa:  drawing Grand Conclusions about the state of Race in America or the importance of Gender Politics in America based on how a couple hundred thousand people voted in a tiny state under less than laboratory conditions (eleventh hour attack mailers; day-before-election Hillary-get-Verklempt fests, etc.)  

Why don't we all try to zoom out a little bit and refrain from saying things that Iowa proved Obama can be beer candidate attractive to the working class, while NH proved the exact opposite.  How about neither proved either, and it's still an open question as to which can appeal to the working class.  Another thing to chew on, Obama crushed, and I mean crushed, Hillary in every urban area in Iowa, and she won a lot of small towns there.  Yet Hillary crushed Obama in NH urban areas and lost in more towns and counties (hence their equal delegate figures).  

My social science training says:  "Way too early to form definitive conclusions.  Pass on the grand theorizing until more data come in."  

January 9, 2008 5:41 PM

teplukhin2you said:

I'll drink to that. Talisker, thanks.

January 9, 2008 6:04 PM

The Stump said:

I had two thoughts when I woke up today: 1.) Isn't it strange that "Hardball" is on so

January 9, 2008 7:29 PM

The Stump said:

A lot of us in the press, including me , have looked at Maine on the primary calendar, noticed it was

February 9, 2008 1:27 PM