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17.12.2007
What To Make of Bill Clinton?

I can't entirely put my finger on it, but I've gotten a strange vibe from the Bill Clinton we've seen over the last few weeks. Beginning with that ill-considered swift-boat discussion after Hillary's lousy debate performance in Philadelphia, continuing through his presence in various campaign-disarray stories last week, and culminating with his Charlie Rose interview on Friday and today's Patrick Healey story in the Times, the impression I get is this: The former president is more concerned with demonstrating his loyalty to Hillary than with getting her elected president. Often the two imperatives overlap, in which case there's no problem. But sometimes they don't, in which case Bill seems to put the loyalty imperative above the getting-elected imperative. It's as if he's thinking: Well, she may or may not win. But, by the end of this, she's going to know I'm her most fearless, dogged defender. (Or even: If showing that I'm her most dogged defender hurts her presidential prospects, then so be it.)

--Noam Scheiber

Posted: Monday, December 17, 2007 11:03 AM with 11 comment(s)

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virginiacentrist said:

Hmmm - interesting post. Because it's Bill Clinton, I'm going to assume that his effort to prove his loyalty has something to do with upcoming bimbo eruptions.

December 17, 2007 11:09 AM

virginiacentrist said:

Uh oh! A little bird tells me that there are national polls coming out today with Obama either tied or leading!!!!!!!!

December 17, 2007 11:46 AM

Wandreycer1 said:

God forbid a man fearlessly and doggedly defend his wife of 30 some years.

I have never been afraid to declare my Clinton-ista tendencies on this board, lonely as it can be.  I got so used to the bunker mentality, I almost can't stop when defending them.  

Anyone can spin anything either of them do or say into whatever suits their biases about them.  Personally, this whole imploding campaign thing is too painful to watch anymore.  I even support Obama and know he must go in for the kill, although I feel like I'm betraying family or something.  I suspect there are more than a few of us out here feeling this way.  

So thrash away, I'm sad for both of them - flawed as they both manifestly are.

December 17, 2007 11:54 AM

jmurph79 said:

Side note- I was watching something about Obama yesterday and got to thinking: in a different world where Hillary isn't running for president, how much would Bill just absolutely love Obama?

December 17, 2007 12:29 PM

stgla said:

jmurph79: we just may see that other world if Obama wins the nomination.  Bill will obviously stump for him (or whoever gets the nomination).

Off topic: did anyone notice Lieberman endorsed a Republican?  Violates a promise he made when running in the Senate primary.  Creep.

December 17, 2007 12:40 PM

teplukhin2you said:

stgla - got a link? If what you say's correct, I agree, creepy. But then I've never had a high opinion of Holy Joe.

December 17, 2007 3:31 PM

Wandreycer1 said:

jmurph - I've been saying that for months - how much would Bill love to be working on Obama's campaign under different circumstances?

December 17, 2007 8:02 PM

LDuncan said:

I see the world very much the same way as WandreyCer, so I've been sad (but also fuming mad) at Bill.   What I saw in that Charlie Rose interview was a man on fire with envy of Obama. Bill knows that Obama has all the raw political talent and brain power Bill had at the same age.  But Bill also knows that Obama, unlike Bill, overcame his personal demons early in his life, grew comfortable with who he was, and did not "act out" with reckless self-destructive behavior, as Bill did throughout his "adult" life.   I put "adult" in quotes, because Bill -- in a strange inversion of those child actors or pop stars who never had a childhood -- never had an adulthood.  He ran for Congress from Arkansas and attorney general of that state shortly after he mastered shaving, because he needed his approval-from-others "hit" immediately.    Obama, in contrast, became an adult in the best sense of that word after wrestling with his demons, writing about that struggle, and moving past his early demons in the most centered way possible.  Hence, Bill looks at Obama and thinks, "If I could have controlled my impulses, my insecurities, and my appetites, and been a man rather than an overgrown boy, I could have been gone down in history as a first-rate statesman rather than as merely a pretty good President marred by a second-rate scandal and blessed by a fourth-rate successor who made me look better in comparison to what I really was."  Anyways, that's my theory as to why Bill can't control himself in his effort to stop Obama.

December 18, 2007 10:31 AM

bobby4242 said:

But why see a campaigner fail to bat .1000 and then conclude that he has alterior motives? Hmmm, Scheiber has had a couple hastily written posts of late . . . I get the feeling he's really trying to prove that he's a fast typist instead of an intelligent politico . . .  ?!?!

Nonsense. Bill is doing everything that he and Hillary think can help her get elected. There really is NO evidence (nor any compelling reason to suspect) otherwise.

December 18, 2007 4:17 PM

boneill said:

www.reuters.com/.../idUSN1634401920071217

Holy Joe endorsed McCain, which is borderline forgivable.  

December 18, 2007 5:11 PM

btau24 said:

Nah, its a good cop bad cop routine....

He says the hard, controversial stuff, and she then says, "Oh geez, what can I do? Its his opinion"

FDR and Eleanor used to pull the exact same routine; except Eleanor wasn't a former president who commands a massive media spotlight.

December 18, 2007 7:15 PM