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04.12.2007
Someone's in Trouble After Iowa, and It's Not John Edwards

I agree with E.J. Dionne--I think Edwards takes second in Iowa. My thinking is this: Clinton and Obama are engaged in a death-match there. Someone is going to win that death-match, and someone is going to lose it, and the person who loses it is going to be in big trouble. That's because the person who loses will not only have lost on semi-substantive grounds (by which I mean not just health-care or foreign policy but whether they have the experience, judgment, character, etc. to be president), but because they will have been diminished in the process. (The only thing worse than a nasty, ruthless pol is a nasty, ruthless loser.) Edwards, by contrast, seems to have toned down his rhetoric a bit, content to let the two titans fight it out. On top of that, given his support in the state in 2004, I think he starts with the highest floor of any of the three candidates.

It's probably a stretch to say that the plan all along was for Edwards to weaken Clinton to the point that she'd be drawn into a nasty fight with Obama, which would leave one of them mortally wounded, at which point Edwards could make his move. (Joe Trippi may be brilliant, but nobody's that brilliant.) But you have to give the Edwards team credit for leading the charge against Hillary and bringing her back to the rest of the field, which scrambled the race and left Edwards with an opening.

(Of course, if Edwards hadn't gone after Clinton, maybe Obama would have been forced to, which could have worked out even better for Edwards. But, then, Edwards was really, really effective, maybe more so than Obama would have been, and Edwards couldn't possibly count on that happening.)

P.S. Given the way things have gone the last week or two, it would be easy to interpret all this as an argument for why Obama will win Iowa and Clinton will finish third. That's certainly possible. But you can't for a second count Clinton out. If Hillary regains her footing, which she's more than capable of doing, it will almost certainly be at Obama's expense.

Update: Via Ben Smith, I see that Edwards has a new commercial up in Iowa, which completely jibes with Edwards's positive-closing-argument strategy:

It's still hard for me to believe this was the plan along (i.e., hit Hillary hard, thereby boosting Obama and drawing the two of them into a nasty fight, allowing Edwards to stay above the fray and cruise to a strong finish). Yes, as a reader points out, Trippi does spend a lot of time thinking and talking about the 2004 murder-suicide scenario involving Gephardt and Dean; on the other hand, my sense from talking to Trippi (see the lede to my profile of him) was that he thought Obama was fading by late summer, and that by challenging Hillary aggressively, Edwards would nudge Obama aside as the anti-Hillary.

That said, it does seem to be coming together pretty well now for Edwards. If he gets up for second or first in Iowa, I'm willing to give Trippi the benefit of the doubt.

Update II: Or, as another reader suggests, it could have nothing to do with Trippi...

--Noam Scheiber

Posted: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 11:45 AM with 14 comment(s)

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virginiacentrist said:

I disagree on two counts:

1. The media (mostly the national, but even the Iowa media) has been endlessly portraying this race as Obama vs Clinton. Voters are strategic. They want their votes to count for something. I say most undecideds (and even some current minor candidate and soft Edwards support) breaks for Obama and Clinton. Edwards turns out tons of voters who then abandon him at the caucus site.

2. Clinton's poll numbers probably underestimate her eventual support. How many women have a preference for Obama or Edwards (and express it in public opinion surveys), but when faced with a choice in the ballot box, cannot bring themselves to reject the first viable female candidate for president? I say many.

With Obama's recent surge, the undecides breaking strategically between Obama and Clinton, and the hidden gender-based vote for Hillary, I think we'll see growth for Obama and Clinton with a drop for Edwards (in comparison to polling).

December 4, 2007 12:21 PM

teplukhin2you said:

What VA said. I'll add a completely unscientific gut analysis to VA's wise points: Edwards is much less impressive in person than on the stage or screen. He talks a good game, but he just doesn't connect with any real force, either force of intellect or force of personality. People like his message but my hunch is that they'll prefer a stronger messenger, and Obama and Hillary trounce Edwards in the forceful personality dept.

December 4, 2007 1:17 PM

wgcreeley said:

Virginiacentrist, you write: "The media (mostly the national, but even the Iowa media) has been endlessly portraying this race as Obama vs Clinton."

Yes, but that's before the surge of "Edwards resurgent in Iowa" stories that may very well yet be written.  30 days is a lot of time for the media to craft itself a shiny new narrative. Whether that narrative is pro- or anti-Edwards is of course equally yet to be seen, but with the way Hillary and Obama have been tussling as of late, and the nice-Johnny-Edwards style Noam catalogues here, I wouldn't be surprised to see the media - and Iowans - give Edwards yet another look.

Your gender point re: hidden support is also interesting, but I'm not sure it's accurate. Of course, we'll see in a month, anda admittedly I'm answering speculation with yet more speculation. But my hunch is that because the caucuses rely not on the privacy of a ballot box, but on a public declaration of support will result in your perceived "hidden support" based solely on gender proving largely illusory. Whether that's a regrettable phenomenon or not is another debate.

December 4, 2007 1:20 PM

The Ignorant Populist said:

I like his ads. Soft lightening, soothing music and little people fighting Big Corporations. Warms this Populist's heart, so it does.

I think he'll do better than expected.

December 4, 2007 1:22 PM

wgcreeley said:

I know you had a lousy one-on-one experience with the man, teplukhin, but something's been keeping Edwards afloat in Iowa after all these months, and it sure as hell isn't money or press. Contrary to your assertion, I think it's personality - and the polls thus far bear that out. Edwards scores highest in the "understands the problems of Iowans" and "most likable" departments in the Iowa poll crosstabs, and lowest in the "running out of personal ambition" category. That might very well explain his high "second-choice" numbers.

December 4, 2007 1:24 PM

Rhubarbs said:

Purely anecdotal, but for more than a year now "Or Edwards" has been a top-two candidate for every one of my Democratic-voting relatives in Iowa. As in, I ask who they're supporting after the latest campaign appearance or TV debate, and they say, "You know, I'm actually leaning toward Clinton. Or Edwards." The next week, same question, and it's "I gotta tell you, that Obama really impresses me. Or Edwards." Heck, even during my mom's recent Richardson flirtation, it remained "I like what Richardson has to say. Or Edwards."

Now, this is only about a dozen people spread across the eastern half of the state, but the consistent support for Edwards as a second choice, even as first-choice flavors have changed, is ubiquitous among the Iowa Democratic voters I know. I would be loath to bet against Edwards being the candidate people move to on caucus day if they're undecided or if their preferred candidate seems unlikely to place in the top three. If that dynamic came to pass, then Edwards would be more or less assured of second place -- or better. People may know that Biden would be the best president of the bunch, but if he's not broken through to the 15 percent club by New Year's, his support probably goes to "Or Edwards." Same with Dodd et al, and if half of undecided break to "Or Edwards" too, then Edwards could be in a position to win -- and depending on how things are working out in the actual caucus rooms across the state, the third-place finisher could easily suffer a late collapse and a distant finish below 20 percent.

December 4, 2007 1:50 PM

teplukhin2you said:

OK, I see your points, guys. Perhaps Edwards had an off night. But someone (his mom?) needs to tell him to at least stand up straight.

December 4, 2007 2:11 PM

virginiacentrist said:

wgcreeley:

Points well taken. My analysis is sort of a "If it all happened today" analysis. If Edwards gets some positive press...well...then he could surge...and then candidates could react to his surge with a devastating counter attack that they're holding back...

December 4, 2007 2:26 PM

aeromonas said:

To quote HRC, now is the "fun part."

December 4, 2007 3:16 PM

hynna said:

This probably hasn't been Edwards' (/Trippi's) strategy all along, since nomination strategies have a certain "fly-by-the-seat-of-your-pants" quality (or so I would expect, not from any experience but from the unpredictable nature of events/news/political winds...).  My guess is that Edwards' team was waiting for Obama and Clinton to punch it up and bring each other down, but they realized they were starting to lose relevance in the race, as the media started to portray it as an Obama-Clinton fight. So they had no choice but to go on the attack just to get their name in the news (there's only so much media oxygen). Once that started working, and Clinton started getting negative press, Obama's team noticed and jumped into the fray to benefit from it. And then at this point, Edwards (Trippi) probably realized the other two were slugging it out, and decided it was a good time to pull out.  They'll probably step in occasionally to make sure there's enough fuel for that fire.

December 4, 2007 3:48 PM

virginiacentrist said:

Yeah, let's not give Edwards too much credit here. He started with a huge lead in Iowa, hasn't raised any money, copped out and took public financing, went negative early, and has been ignored by the press. Sounds like a below average campaign.

I'll give him credit for somehow convincing internet bloggers to become obsessed with him...

December 4, 2007 5:39 PM

Wizbang Politics said:

The news lately has been all about Barack Obama's recent gains in Iowa polling, putting him in a statistical tie with Hillary Clinton (and leading her in raw numbers in...

December 5, 2007 2:12 AM

News Feeds & Politics said:

Some late night pondering and prognosticating... In 2004, the model for how the final Iowa result came

December 5, 2007 4:08 AM

The Stump said:

Marc Ambinder makes a good point about Hillary and Edwards in today's debate: "Clinton and Edwards

December 14, 2007 12:33 AM