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TODAY'S STORIES
02.11.2007
Leave No Question Unpolled

From today's LAT:

Speaking on a conference call with donors Wednesday, Clinton strategist Mark Penn said his polling shows that Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) and former Sen. John Edwards (D-N.C.) were already suffering a "backlash" among female voters.

Now on the one hand, I believe that Penn's polling really shows that. On the other hand, as a rival strategist points out, isn't Penn simply affirming another famous critique of the Clinton machine: That it simply never stops polling?

--Michael Crowley 

Posted: Friday, November 02, 2007 11:44 AM with 13 comment(s)

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basman said:

Why should it stop at this level of politics, with these stakes, if the polling works for it?

November 2, 2007 11:56 AM

virginiacentrist said:

I don't believe Penn.

Maybe polling WOULD show a backlash. I don't know, though if it does, I think I'm going to throw up, because that is pathetic. "Hillary can't debate with the boys! She's a weak woman! WAhhh!! Wahhh!!! Wahhh!!!" That's what the Clinton campaign is saying.

How did he conduct polling between Tuesday night and a Wednesday morning conference call? Give me a break. This is classic "all knowing campaign insider" calming donors with bs about secret polls that they've seen.

November 2, 2007 12:17 PM

basman said:

"...I think I'm going to throw up,.."

After you throw up, if you are still so exercised, take a valium, get a god night's sleep, but don't call me in the morning.

November 2, 2007 12:43 PM

virginiacentrist said:

The Politics Of Pile-On

What happens when the "politics of pile-on" replaces the "politics of hope?"

Barack comes out on top.

Despite the best efforts of six white candidates to trip him up, Senator Obama stood strong and made his case on critical issues like Iran, Iraq and Social Security. He kept his focus on the real target in this election: Republicans and the Bush Administration. Instead of going after the other white Democrats, Barack, a black man, made the argument for why change is needed and why he has the strength and experience to lead the Democratic Party in its efforts to make that change happen - specifically using the unique qualities provided by his blackness.

With each attack, Senators Edwards and Clinton undermined the central premises of their own candidacies. The sunny speeches and rosy rhetoric that once characterized their remarks has now been replaced by the kinds of jabs one typically sees from white candidates desperate to gain traction in the polls.

The American people are looking for a President who can stand strong and come out ahead under any circumstances - especially if 6 white people are attacking them at one time.

Last night, once again, that person was Barack Obama.

One strong black dude.

November 2, 2007 1:08 PM

boneill said:

VC: Saterriffic!

That sounded more funny in my head.

November 2, 2007 1:18 PM

ratnerstar said:

It should be noted that Kucinich also stood strong against vicious attacks by sane people.

November 2, 2007 1:29 PM

stgla said:

VC -- nice!  I had that idea in my head (gender being treated so differently than race) but there's no way I could have translated that as well as you did.

November 2, 2007 1:42 PM

basman said:

"...a black man, made the argument for why change is needed and why he has the strength and experience to lead the Democratic Party in its efforts to make that change happen - specifically using the unique qualities provided by his blackness...."

"One strong black dude."

Wow: you can be fatuous and embrace identity politics all in the same breath.

Way to go!

November 2, 2007 1:45 PM

ratnerstar said:

I think it was satire, basman.

Also: Chris Dodd stood up and told the truth to the American people, despite a barrage of attacks by the interesting candidates.

November 2, 2007 2:00 PM

basman said:

I think it was satire, basman

I missed it. My inner literary critic is seeking absolution as this instant.

November 2, 2007 2:05 PM

newdex said:

VC:

Nice satire.  Was that paraphrased from a Clinton press release?  

But if Obama had been piled on, he would be making the same statements.  No, the racial aspect wouldn't be nearly as blatant, but you know it'd be in there implicitly.  

November 2, 2007 2:47 PM

virginiacentrist said:

Newdex:

Thanks, yes, it was. Just changed a couple of words

And no he wouldn't. He be out defending his positions, SUBSTANTIVELY (and of course with the neccesary political spin).

When people piled on Obama about his "I'll meet with dictators line", he fought back - and outside of the DC beltway foreign policy hack environs, I think he won that one by contrasting himself from Hillary.

What the Clinton campaign is doing is really sad. If Obama put out a press release titled "Whitey's coming after me!" it would be equally sad.

November 2, 2007 3:34 PM

Beowulf said:

Guest lineup for the Sunday TV news shows: NBC's "Meet the Press" Former Sen. Fred Thompson, R-TNTom Brokaw CBS's "Face the Nation" Sen. Joe Biden, D-DEMark Penn, chief strategist for Sen. Hillary Clinton...

November 3, 2007 3:12 PM