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TODAY'S STORIES
24.10.2007
Macho Man!

More from that LAT-Bloomberg poll: Clinton pollster Mark Penn has recently been predicting that Rudy Giuliani's "tough guy" style will turn off female voters. Sure enough the new poll shows that 36 percent of male GOP primary voters like Rudy--but just 27 percent of female ones. Every other major candidate reverses that formula, faring better with the gals than with the guys. Fred Thompson, for instance, gets 18 percent of the women and 13 percent of the men. Romney runs 14-7 women-men and McCain 14-11. (The exception is Mike Huckabee, who runs at 11 percent with men and 4 percent with women, which I can't readily explain.) 

This gender gap is certainly a red flag for Rudy. But if I were a rival of his I'd still envy his commanding national lead.

Also, one oddity from the poll: GOP voters were asked whether they would support a third-party conservative candidate should Republicans nominate someone who supports abortion and gay rights. Thirty-four percent said they would. But then a plurality among that very same 34 percent said their preferred candidate is... Rudy Giuliani! (It's Giuliani 26, Thompson 19, McCain 10, Huckabee 9, Romney 7). Clearly plenty of conservative voters still have a lot to learn about Hizzoner.

--Michael Crowley 

Posted: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 12:04 PM with 16 comment(s)

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purcellneil said:

That last factoid really surprises me.  Since 1994, I have observed that Republicans are generally dim, disconnected from reality, self-absorbed, and poorly informed.  Even so, how can their front-runner's basic positions and history on major "values" issues still be a mystery to them?

When do you think the dimwits are going to start paying attention?

October 24, 2007 1:36 PM

virginiacentrist said:

Purcellneil:

Our side (dems) are equally dumb. They thought John Kerry represented a pillar of "electability". In a GIMME election, the LIBERAL ANTI-WAR BASE is fixing to nominate a candidate who combines the wonderful qualities of hawkishness, unelectability, and lack of charisma. Most Democratic primary voters think Hillary is the most liberal on foreign policy issues. Hell - if you commissioned a poll that said, "Who is the Democratic nominee for 2008 for President, chosen at the Democratic Convention? (a) Not yet chosen, (b) Hillary Clinton (c) Barack Obama (d) John Kerry", then you'd get the following results:

15% Not yet chosen

60% Hillary Clinton

5%  Barack Obama

15% John K erry

5% Doesn't understand

People are dumb. They don't care about politics and yet, sadly, these same dumb people (especially the old ones) still vote every year based on the most trivial and idiotic heuristics (like jaw bone structure! and bandwagon effect!)

October 24, 2007 1:49 PM

virginiacentrist said:

Or look at this poll. Women are turned off by Giuliani because he's a "tough guy"! His rhetoric is too sharp. And they're voting for Hillary because she's a woman. These are not highly sophisticated reasons to choose a president!

October 24, 2007 1:51 PM

mrcookie1 said:

I can tell any fellow testosterone that most women - certainly those who have been in my jaunty society - really are turned off by tough guys.  I once had a very smart and compatible fiancee get mad at ME because after some lug threw a cigarette at her on the bus, I had the insensitivity to beat him senseless in front of the Clift Hotel in SF.  After I left that goon propped up against the trashcan, she gave me the cold shoulder for the rest of the evening.  Go figure.

Women just don't like macho men.  Rudy, if he is really a tough guy, is screwed.

October 24, 2007 2:56 PM

mrcookie1 said:

one last thought - shortly after that fiasco, I had a long chat with my best friend Bert.  He opined that when my fiancee actually saw the level of violence that I rained upon that jerk, it probably scared her and raised the possibility that i might someday unleash that fury on her.  Which was of course, silly because I have never raised a hand to any woman. Still, my buddy's explanation made sense to me....

October 24, 2007 3:01 PM

blackton said:

I find it hard to believe that granny Rudy Guiliani will ever be mistaken for a tough guy. I for one am at a loss how a thrice divorced lispy bald guy can be regarded as macho by anyone. Beyond that I always thought Republicans stood for God, family, and country. Rudy is only batting one out of three. I don't understand why the other candidates are not running footage of Rudy announcing his divorce from his second wife, meanwhile juxtapositioning it with Bush talking about restoring personal integrity in the White House.

October 24, 2007 3:14 PM

Wandreycer1 said:

It's not the tough guy thing, he wishes.  It's the treating his wives like garbage - sleeping with nitwits while wife is home with the toddlers isn't a huge seller to alot of us.  We aren't huge on someone splitting up with their wife via press conference either, let's not even talk about how that press conference would the kids.  He's a sociopath.  Other than that, great guy.

October 24, 2007 3:24 PM

Wandreycer1 said:

oops typo - would affect the kids.

This is picture of me thinking about Guiliani as President

October 24, 2007 3:28 PM

mrcookie1 said:

wandrey.

Yes, funny, I forgot that stuff.  He is a rat bastard, isn't he?  Funny how little play that gets, next to his 9/11 persona.  

October 24, 2007 3:37 PM

ratnerstar said:

Cookie is right: women really hate this sort of thing.    This one time, some guy beat the hell out of me in front of the Clift Hotel in SF, just for flicking a cigarette!  But his fiancee totally felt sorry for me and we spent that night together in bed.

October 24, 2007 4:07 PM

blackton said:

ratty, I hate to tell you, but that was the night of the tranny contest.

October 24, 2007 4:56 PM

blackton said:

I want to know that if I can add someone as a friend, why can't I also have an official enemies list. Ratnerstar, boneill, and adamvaught are definitely on my list. I would add adaglas but I find him amusing, unlike the others who are just obnoxious.

Also, check out drdannyu's bio. It is priceless.

October 24, 2007 5:10 PM

ratnerstar said:

The night of the tranny contest?  Are you sure?  I don't recall seeing your mom there.

Buuuuuuuuurn!

P.S. I'm just honored to be grouped with bone and adam.  

October 24, 2007 5:47 PM

mrcookie1 said:

ratty,

Given the grief that fair lassy gave me over 7 years, instead of beating the s**t out of you, I shoulda bought you a drink and a carton of your favorite nails...

October 24, 2007 11:21 PM

wldctfan142 said:

I generally agree with mr. cookie, but some women actually do like violence, especially along the lines of *lets you and him fight.* That happened to me during my first week of HS. A jock's girl friend kept egging him on during english class. Long story, (i'll just say a well-timed double- left hook can do wonders and leave it at that) but it ended well.

October 25, 2007 6:51 AM

mrcookie1 said:

hey wildcat...those 12 oz gloves?

October 25, 2007 9:24 AM