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15.10.2008
Bill Ayers, Scum

Paul Berman always commands attention and respect. He has published here many times. And his measured Daily Beast posting on Bill Ayers is definitive: just, textured, and in the end unrelenting. Ayers was a wannabe muderer and not just a criminal type. If you want to find a comparison to other idealogically motivated killers of the same generation you can just repair to the gangsters who slaughtered Emmet Till, James Chaney, Andrew Goodman, Michael Schwerner and the three little girls who died in the burning church that Condi Rice later attended. The Weatherman Underground faction of the S.D.S. was no different than the men of the Klan and other white supremacy organizations who terrorized the black south. In fact, the oh, so idealistically inclined southern populists inspired by Tom Watson broke the necks of blacks, young and hold, and hung them from a tree for all to see. Idealism can be a dangerous phenomenon. It can blind from the evil that people do on behalf of what they are sure is good.

Ayers has lived an especially privileged life, right off the system he disdains and wants to destroy. He should not be declared "innocent' of any of his crimes. By anyone.

And he certainly hasn't been vindicated by Obama who, like many in his generation, never knew of the left's depredations and its at once intellectual and human marauding. I had friends at Harvard during the sixties, first S.D.S., then Weathermen, then various splinters. I cannot deny that I had some sympathy with the early S.D.S. But, thank God -- and yes, the God of the Jews saved me -- my sympathy was spent by late 1967. All of these self-styled revolutionary cells and their predictable split-offs: they all had their days of rage. A good many of these young people have simply disappeared. One of them -- I suspect -- was murdered by his comrades, and so I was told by someone who might have known.

Berman has kept the moral account of the left, and he has done so scrupulously and without hauteur:

Dear 3,247 signatories, and, for that matter, dear Bill Ayers (who may or may not remember me, but I remember you): allow me to remind you of some of the consequences of the armed left-wing movements that were influenced by the Weather Underground. In California, the Symbionese Liberation Army, of which Patty Hearst was first a victim and then a member, succeeded in assassinating the first black schools chancellor of Oakland. In New York in 1981, an offshoot of the Weather Underground staged a hold-up in Nyack, N.Y., that managed to kill the first black person to win a job in the Nyack police department. The armed left-wing movements of those years claimed to be the champions of black advancement, and yet made a point of destroying the actual black people who were advancing.

Barack Obama's prospects appear right now to be good. But if he loses? Dear 3,247 signatories, and dear Bill: if Obama loses, one of the reasons will be your moronic and dishonest refusal to draw a distinction between the democratic ideals of the left, and terrorist notions of totalitarian communism.




 

Posted: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 3:51 PM with 25 comment(s)

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csmiller said:

If there is a silver lining to all the Ayers/ Obama stuff is that it will introduce a new generation to the dirtbags masquerading as upstanding citizens that are Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dorhn.

October 15, 2008 5:01 PM

agentzero said:

Well.  I hate to rain on anyone's righteous parade, and I am not here to defend Ayers.  But the article does not substantiate the conclusion that Ayers was a "wannabe murderer" or a "killer."  Berman cites two actions by people "influenced by the Weather Underground:"  one by the SLA and another by an "offshoot."  It comes across as though the author felt he needed, through sleight of hand, to attribute actions by other groups to WU in order to support his point.

The author could have made the point that by blowing up empty buildings, Ayers was paving the way for these murderous actions by "offshoots."  But maybe he felt that wasn't dramatic enough.

October 15, 2008 5:02 PM

liberal reformer said:

Thank you for the link to the fine Berman piece, Mr. Peretz. I wish to convey to you how much I have learned from reading you and indeed, the entire New Republic for these last thirty years. You saved yourself, though. There is not likely  a God; it was your inner equilibrium reasserting itself.

October 15, 2008 5:14 PM

simon greenwood said:

I wish people would stop getting worked up into a froth over a single NY Times interview that Ayers immediately said was a distortion and that he knows he was incredibly stupid when he was in WU.  Maybe we should go fact checking before we get the metaphorical lynching rope.

There were despicable people on the far left who murdered and fostered anarchy but it's dumb to build Ayers up into a symbol of them when he was just some harmless ineffectual rich kid pretending to be a revolutionary by blowing up a statue.

October 15, 2008 5:27 PM

dylanposer said:

As much as one would like to, in politics, you can't have it both ways.  Obama was able to view Ayers at his highest level of moral standing, one where he evolved past his extremist past and re-integrated himself into society.  Should this virtue not be celebrtated?  If we can't allow some moral moving room for extremists--not without oversight, of course--we can never expect to create an honest-to-God moral majority.  

And I realize that I am using the term "moral majority", but I am using it in its most technical sense, and I am using it so that its real meaning can be brought back to the center from the extremist right.

October 15, 2008 5:39 PM

jacobt1 said:

Bill Ayers, vice president for curriculum of the 25,000-member American Educational Research Association (AERA), the nation’s largest organization of education-school professors and researchers, said in Venezuela :

billayers.wordpress.com/.../world-education-forum

"Let those of us who are gathered here today read this poem as “The Teacher’s Obligation.” We, too, must move in and out of windows, we, too, must build a project of radical imagination and fundamental change. Venezuela is poised to offer the world a new model of education– a humanizing and revolutionary model whose twin missions are enlightenment and liberation. This World Education Forum provides us a unique opportunity to develop and share the lessons and challenges of this profound educational project that is the Bolivarian Revolution."

This is a "fundamental change" you can take to the bank if Obama wins.

October 15, 2008 5:49 PM

blackton said:

And yet white southern politicians who have longstanding affiliations with former klansmen and klan sympathizers have long ago been forgiven. Killing a black man for wanting his basic civil rights, well hell that is just states rights.

Don't get me wrong, sins of the father and what have you, I am glad that white progressives and blacks choose to not make Jim Crow a feature of every election, we would never get anywhere, yet Republicans are insistent of refighting the 60's culture war. Luckily if Obama wins, the 60's will finally be dead.

October 15, 2008 6:08 PM

dylanposer said:

jacob,

I think you are conflating real, bomb-making revolutionary spirit (Ayers past) with intellectual revolutionary spirit (Ayers present).  

That's fine, though.

October 15, 2008 6:18 PM

jacobt1 said:

blackton said:,

"And yet white southern politicians who have longstanding affiliations with former klansmen and klan sympathizers have long ago been forgiven. Killing a black man for wanting his basic civil rights, well hell that is just states rights"

Can you name a current  southern politician  who has longstanding affiliations with a murderer of a black man?

October 15, 2008 6:43 PM

jacobt1 said:

In Ayers, as well as Wright, Rezko, and the ACORN shenanigans, we see that Obama repeatedly tolerates the intolerable. He's the opposite of quick to judge; he refuses to judge until long after it would do any good. Long after everybody else has figured out the character of his associates, Obama is left lamenting, "This is not the Jeremiah Wright I knew" or "This is not the Tony Rezko I knew" or "This is not the Jim Johnson I knew." And on and on. Obama is always giving people with well-established track records the benefit of the doubt, often to his own detriment; as President, he'll bring that same judgment to decisions that affect the country.

If you want to build a bridge with Iran, you can't denounce Ahmadinejad. If you want to improve relations with Venezuela, you can't put the spotlight on human rights abuses. If you want a successful summit with Syria, you have to pretend they weren't building a nuclear reactor on that site Israel bombed.

William Ayers is one mislaid wire away from being Timothy McVeigh, and remembered as one of America's most bloodthirsty terrorists and unforgivable traitors. There's no indication that Ayers' history of building bombs that claimed lives caused Obama a moment's hesitation.

campaignspot.nationalreview.com/post

That's what their relationship teaches us.

October 15, 2008 7:00 PM

dylanposer said:

What track record does Ayers have?  He mulled around in the Weather Underground, at one point building a failed explosive devise that was meant to bring ruin to a symbol, not a human (or humans), and since, has left his associations with the WU and has gone mainstream.  That is his track.  

October 15, 2008 7:15 PM

blackton said:

jacob, yes, I can name hundreds, look at anyone who associated with Strom Thurmond or Henry Wallace, or a whole host of Southern good old boys. Really, you are such an ass to justify KKK. But after all we all know that you are a racist. Who could forget your quote: "Blacks are stupid."

October 15, 2008 8:25 PM

boneill said:

Jacob.  You copy and pasted a real interesting point.  A board that Obama served on years ago had a guy who likes Hugo Chavez.  Liking Hugo Chavez is stupid.  But- did you know that there were Republicans on the board too?!?!?!   And the board was funded by a major McCain doner?!?!?!  So, isn't there just as much chance that he'll import a Republican ideology??!?!!?!?!

Or did I just fuck your mind!?

October 15, 2008 8:25 PM

jacobt1 said:

blackton, I didn'r know that Strom Thurmond is still alive.

boneill,

"And the board was funded by a major McCain doner?!?!?!

Who was it?

October 15, 2008 8:59 PM

CRS9TNR said:

Thanks for the post Marty.  Well done and welcome.

Berman's TNR Cover Story on Joscka Fischer back in August 2001 was one of the best pieces ever written.  Brilliant how he showed the European Anti-War left realizing that some wars were worth fighting for, like Serbia.  

The 1960's really were the end of the types like SDS & Weatherman.  America went through a revolution where we stopped letting people lie to us.  Not just big lies either, little lies.  Government needed to be honest, companies had to be honest, and familes were changed.

People like Ayers & Dohrn were fundamentally liars.

And aknowledging this does not take anything away from Barack Obama.  Obama saw America in 1990 as a changed country and could dismiss Ayers, who continued the lie.  The one thing I can say about Obama is that he is honest.

October 15, 2008 10:06 PM

stanmvp48 said:

Henry Wallace?

October 15, 2008 11:51 PM

jhildner said:

Jake, the board was funded by the Annenberg Foundation, which awarded a grant based in part on Ayers's proposal for urban education reform.  The McCain man bone is referring to is Walter Annenberg.  As Obama said tonight, other members of the board included the Republican president of Northwestern University (also a beneficiary of Annenberg's generous education philanthropy), the president of the University of Illinois, and, I believe, the publisher (if not, then a high-up) of the Chicago Tribune -- a moderate Republican institution (which *might*, for what would I believe be the first time in its history, endorse a Democrat for president this time around).  There they go again, these Republicans, tolerating the intolerable.  If you want to talk about associations, you could probably paint a picture of Obama's involvement in a vast right-wing conspiracy, what with his seat on the faculty of the right's ivy league of one, the University of Chicago, and his mingling with prominent local GOPers.

As for Ayers, I basically agree with Marty.  He won't fucking apologize properly.  Until he does that, and does so sincerely, I will continue to regard him as a total douche.  That's got nothing to do with Obama, though.  As Marty says, Ayers is not redeemed by Obama.  The reason is that Obama has nothing to answer for as far as Ayers is concerned.  The fact that this is what the McCain campaign is relying on at this stage says (as Obama said tonight) more about his campaign than about Obama -- a lot more.

October 16, 2008 1:20 AM

jacksondyer said:

"Can you name a current  southern politician  who has longstanding affiliations with a murderer of a black man? "

Robert Carlyle Byrd,  United States Senator from West Virginia?

October 16, 2008 1:53 AM

jacobt1 said:

jacksondyer,

Who did he murder?

October 16, 2008 2:27 AM

fougasseu said:

If we all could be found guilty by association we'd all be guilty. Take us apart, study our shortcomings, we all come up short. Attempting to diminish Obama by detailing his every misstep, by linking him to bad people and stupid people, by suggesting he has secrets to hide - how contemptible and desparate, yet understandable. They don't know what else to do.

Steve Schmidt and Rick Davis have to be the two most craven and incompetent campaign managers in modern political history. Genuinely mean guys with Hollywood-sized egos.

Schmidt, Davis, Ailes, Limbaugh, Hannity, Rove, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Bush, the list is endless. McCain isn't like any of them, but he decided to dance with the devil.

When you dance with the devil, the devil leads.

October 16, 2008 8:46 AM

jacksondyer said:

jacobt1 said:  "jacksondyer,

Who did he murder?"

Probably no one. However as a member of the notirious KKK which did murder people he was morally if not legally tainted.

October 16, 2008 12:25 PM

jacksondyer said:

fougasseu said:  "If we all could be found guilty by association we'd all be guilty. "

This is nonsense.

There are different levels of guilt. One can be legally not guilty but morally tainted.

A former member of the German SS even if he personally didn't kill anyone is still  guilty of belonging to a murderous organization.

"Schmidt, Davis, Ailes, Limbaugh, Hannity, Rove, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Bush, the list is endless. McCain isn't like any of them, but he decided to dance with the devil."

More crap.

This list is incoherent in  itself.  It is also insane.

None of the people on the list, moreover, where  guilty of anything.

Obama did associate himself with and a self declared terroirst.  

October 16, 2008 12:30 PM

jhildner said:

Jackson:  I entirely agree with you that "guilt by association" is possible and that associations are relevant.  I also agree with you that it depends on the nature of the association.  Here, you criticize others for not evaluating the facts in the abstract as you ignore them in the particular.  Put another way, if you want to say that dismissing a claim as merely "guilt by association" is glib "crap," then you can't rely on your own equally glib assumption that *any* association, however tangential or innocent, settles the matter.  You can't have it both ways.

October 16, 2008 5:47 PM

jacksondyer said:

  jhildner said:   “Jackson:  I entirely agree with you that "guilt by association" is possible and that associations are relevant.  I also agree with you that it depends on the nature of the association.  Here, you criticize others for not evaluating the facts in the abstract as you ignore them in the particular.  Put another way, if you want to say that dismissing a claim as merely "guilt by association" is glib "crap," then you can't rely on your own equally glib assumption that *any* association, however tangential or innocent, settles the matter.  You can't have it both ways.”

The formula you came up with of “you can’t have it both ways” is very old and very tiresome. It also doesn’t apply to what I said.

I didn’t accuse Obama of being guilty by association. He isn’t guilty of anything from a legal point of view.

I merely said that his denials that he didn’t know what the Reverend Wright stood for or what Ayres had done are not convincing. I also think he needs to explain his relation to Rezko though I am withholding judgment here.

This isn’t guilt by association. It shows that Obama’s judgment about people is either flawed or else he was using them as a step ladder for his political advancement.

This is and was my problem with Obama. I happen to agree with most not all but most of his economic policies. To me though his willingness to engage himself to people of questionable character is more important than the economic program which is really a Democratic party program he want to enact.

As long as the Democrats will take control of the Congress I am ok with the idea of a divided government.

To bad Harold Ford the congressman from Tennessee wasn't running for President. I would have  voted from him in a New York minute.

October 16, 2008 7:27 PM

GSpinks said:

Jacob: Can you name a current  southern politician  who has longstanding affiliations with a murderer of a black man? blackton: yes, I can name hundreds, look at anyone who associated with Strom Thurmond or Henry Wallace, or a whole host of Southern good old boys.

Lets nor forget David Duke, guys.

"Our clear goal," he has said, "must be the advancement of the white race and separation of the white and black races. This goal must include freeing of the American media and government from subservient Jewish interests." www.nndb.com/.../000024138

"Who did he murder?"

Jacob, don't you think it is at least a little disingenious to draw the line at convicted murderers, especially considering such violence was categorically overlooked, if not publicly encouraged, by law enforcement as well as many law makers, which basically precludes the notion of conviction as a lithmus test? It seems to me that simple affiliation, let alone actual membership, with the KKK is more than sufficient for the purposes here.

October 17, 2008 5:34 PM

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