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TODAY'S STORIES
02.09.2008
"Family is out of Bounds"

Barack Obama has set a standard for the rest of the campaign.  “Family is out of bounds,” he said, and from the evidence he seems to mean it. Maybe the Republicans will also reject any ugly temptations that come their way in the two months that remain until the people vote.

It may be that public figures in eras past lived less scandalous lives, and their families, too. Or that the bounds of decorum kept the press (and perhaps even the clergy) from learning too much, lest their sense of responsibility to their publics persuaded them to tell all. Restraint is no longer even a virtue of the most decorous historians.  We’ve already known for years that, in his pursuit of happiness, Thomas Jefferson slept with one of his slaves, Abe Lincoln slept with one of his male friends, FD.R. had a long “relationship” with one of his secretaries and Eleanor with two of her admirers (one male, one female), and J.F.K. commanded so many liaisons that even his gossipy court scribe Arthur Schlesinger couldn’t keep up with the numbers. “Junior,” as he was sometimes called, was so lap-dog loyal that he only told tales at parties with other intimates who probably already knew more than he did.

Now, working politicians are liable to be exposed if only their opponents can find journalists voracious enough to entrap for no other reason than to entrap. Tom Eagleton was dropped as second to George McGovern only because he had received electric shock therapy. Gary Hart had to take himself out of his contest for the Democratic nomination because of happenings on “Monkey Business.”  And on and on and John Edwards…and on. And on.I don’t know who leaked the original fake story about Sarah Palin’s daughter. Maybe there was no alternative for the Palins other than to tell the whole truth now that the lie was out. America is obsessed with gossip and even the most private gossip seems to become important news. It’s a shame. This doesn’t mean I wish we were like France.

You can’t tell yet whether this episode will take a big toll on the McCain-Palin candidacy. I would much prefer it went down because Obama-Biden is politically a more venturesome and intellectually a more formidable ticket. And, as for Sarah Palin, she is simply a preposterous nominee, whatever her charms. Given a two month campaign nearly everyone would have recognized that. Now she may win some sympathy so that there’ll be a race after all.

For all the tut-tutting excitement over a pregnant unmarried daughter of a vice presidential candidate you have only the Republicans and the evangelicals to blame. They have no understanding and no compassion. If men and women are born in sin they, we deserve solidarity and compassion which, as it happens, we have less and less of in our society today.

Posted: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 2:40 PM with 38 comment(s)

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teplukhin2you said:

"This doesn’t mean I wish we were like France."

I wouldn't mind having Carla Bruni as our First Tabloid Grist.

September 2, 2008 3:57 PM

teplukhin2you said:

"If men and women are born in sin they, we deserve solidarity and compassion which, as it happens, we have less and less of in our society today."

Hear, hear.

Speaking of which, Mr Peretz, what do you think of former TNR editor A. Sullivan's recent flurry of online commentary on this matter?

Did Sullivan always show signs of being so vile and unhinged, or did this become apparent only after he left TNR?

September 2, 2008 4:01 PM

jacobt1 said:

"And, as for Sarah Palin, she is simply a preposterous nominee, whatever her charms."

And, as for Obama , he is simply a preposterous nominee for presidency , whatever his  teleprompter reading  skills. However, Obama is a sophisticated parasite, Peter Keating of politics. It's good enough for Marty  to feel  This Thrill Going Up his  Leg.

"They have no understanding and no compassion. If men and women are born in sin they, we deserve solidarity and compassion which, as it happens, we have less and less of in our society today."

I know the last thirty years we got meaner and meaner. When did have more compassion, when we massacre Indians, kept backs in slavery, didn't let them vote, didn't let gays to have civil unions?

Why Marty you a such fool?

September 2, 2008 4:06 PM

rozenson said:

Jacob, you're a cultist.

September 2, 2008 4:28 PM

thejauntyboulevardier said:

jacobt1,

Parasite?  Now that McCain has nullified the "experience" canard, you have decided to go nuclear with "parasite". What is next for you?  

September 2, 2008 4:39 PM

schrek2000 said:

Since Joe Biden is "good enough" for Peretz (and me, too, for sure), the Senator's comments in Florida today about Governor Palin would seem to warrant special attention here: "There is no reason not to respect her and believe she's qualified to be vice president."

And special thanks to Barack for his forceful and deeply personal renunciation of the weekend attacks on Gov. Palin. That's the man of profound decency and clear expression of thought that I remember so well.

September 2, 2008 4:40 PM

check said:

i am very glad i watched tv this morning and got the scoop as perceived by republican commentator.  he said if this is ideological argument then the reps lose, but if they can keep it a personal issue they will win.  but it is an ideological issue and the distance between palins stands and her own family is enourmous.  unprotected sex is dangerous.  where does this woman live.  it may be ok for alaska, but what about the rest of us.  this is ludicrous behavior. there is no upside to this at all.  the bets are already starting on when she will resign. what a bunch of hypocrites these religious types are.  

September 2, 2008 4:49 PM

check said:

i am very glad i watched tv this morning and got the scoop as perceived by republican commentator.  he said if this is ideological argument then the reps lose, but if they can keep it a personal issue they will win.  but it is an ideological issue and the distance between palins stands and her own family is enourmous.  unprotected sex is dangerous.  where does this woman live.  it may be ok for alaska, but what about the rest of us.  this is ludicrous behavior. there is no upside to this at all.  the bets are already starting on when she will resign. what a bunch of hypocrites these religious types are.  

September 2, 2008 4:50 PM

jacobt1 said:

Check, you are a total fool, There is no parent of a teenage daughter who is going to throw a first stone.

schrek2000 ,

"That's the man of profound decency and clear expression of thought that I remember so well."

He doesn't have to. He has a smear brigade of Liberal pundits to do a dirty work for him.

September 2, 2008 5:15 PM

teplukhin2you said:

Kudos to Obama, indeed. Very impressive response: genuine, heartfelt, articulate. Good for him.

Re those hybrid journalist-bloggers now whipping up this non-scandal and alleging fake births and other southern gothic flourishes via their blog personae, am I alone in wondering why, having read such hysterics, anyone would ever assign credibility to said blogger's journalism again?

Who would trust his (lawyer) (doctor) (financial advisor) after witnessing a violent drunken outburst by same in the hall of his office?

September 2, 2008 5:45 PM

CRS9TNR said:

I predicted McCain would win the Republican nomination and am generally a supporter.

I hope these families have some prviacy and can keep their lives together during a long intense campaign.

I like Sarah Palin and wish her the best, I think she'll be as good as any 42 year old would be in the Vice President position.  I like DIck Cheney a lot better, but he's not running this time around.

And I agree with teplukhin2you that if we can get Carla Bruni, she would be the best.

But my point here regards the Palins and how proud they are to be Grandparents.  If Sarah is so proud to be a Grandmother now, why didn't she mention this when she was announced for the Vice Presidency?  Was she ashamed, and 2 days later she found her pride?

I would have had a lot more respect for the Palins if they had this information out front and with the news their son was heading off to Iraq.  Sh could have said 'Great News, running for VP and I hope to be a Grandmother by the time I am sworn in'.  Instead she has Bristol holding her baby while camouflauged in a Baby Blanket.  Don't you think that daughter felt even worse trying to hide the obvious?

They mention their son heading off to Iraq for political points, but try and hide their pregnant daughter.  Very uncool.

It's not out of bounds to point out hypocrisy.

September 2, 2008 6:06 PM

jacobt1 said:

What about Biden talking about his son going to Iraq without talking about another son who is la obbyist ?

September 2, 2008 6:32 PM

ironyroad said:

What about it?

September 2, 2008 8:07 PM

cal80 said:

I've been out of town and out of the loop recently, so I don't know if this has already been hashed over, but I'm not surprised that Obama is taking this decently.  After all, he is the son of a 18 year old who was pregnant when she got married.  If the Dems and media don't shut up about this, it will look highly hypocritical.  

September 2, 2008 8:08 PM

teplukhin2you said:

What a moronic election this has become.

September 2, 2008 8:15 PM

ljach said:

These political sex scandals resemble nothing so much as the recent spate of El Nino hurricanes: no sooner is one downgraded to a tropical depression than another starts to form in the mid-Atlantic. Some simply fizzle out (remember the Times story on McCain and the lobbyist?) For me the revelations about Sarah Palin's teenage daughter couldn't have come at a worse moment.  I don't know about you guys, but I'm still looking for closure on John Edwards.

September 2, 2008 8:21 PM

ndmackenzie said:

cal80 -

Obama released the following statement:

-- Let me be a clear as possible: I have said before and I will repeat again, I think people's families are off limits, and people's children are especially off limits. This shouldn't be part of our politics. It has no relevance to Gov. Palin's performance as governor, or her potential performance as a vice president.

-- And so I would strongly urge people to back off these kinds of stories. You know my mother had me when she was 18, and how a family deals with issues and, you know, teenage children, that shouldn't be the topic of our politics and I hope that anybody who is supporting me understands that's off limits.

www.salon.com/.../index.html

September 2, 2008 8:24 PM

mollysimon said:

Tep:  Have you seen any of the photos of Palin--supposedly pregnant at five, seven, or nine months?  Did you know she claims to have broken her water and then, at the high-risk age of 44, with a Downs Syndrome baby, gotten onto a plane?  (Nobody's allowed onto a plane after six months, as far as I know.)  There is no way in hell this woman was ever pregnant with that baby.  I don't know why everybody is pretending it is possible that she was actually carrying Trig.  The baby was either adopted or delivered by her daughter, who was shown in plenty at least two photos to look plenty pregnant.  

Then again, maybe Palin is such a super woman she just miraculously gained no weight during pregnancy.  Gee, another reason to admire her!  Aside from the fact that after delivering a Down Syndrome baby she was back at work three days later.  And don't cry sexism.  I'd think it disgusting if the dad went back to work as well after that time frame.  

How, Tep, can you blame Sullivan for raising these questions.  They're reasonable.   Especially because her story is so very idiotic and strange and non-credible.  And as such, is probably a lie--which makes Palin once again a proven liar (ask her about Troopergate.  You'll get all kinds of inconsistent answers).  Are you not terrified at the very thought of her being a heartbeat away from the Oval Office?  To paraphrase Philip Roth on the subject of George Bush, Palin isn't fit to run a hardware store, let alone the U.S.  I think it incumbent upon us to use everything possible to discredit her and keep her out of harm's way.

Before, I'd have been depressed and angry if McCain won.  With Palin by his side,  I'm now terrified by the prospect.  

September 2, 2008 9:00 PM

tomeg said:

"Parasite"

Hmmm, like welfare mothers - like *black* welfare mothers?

Shame, jacobt1, shame on you!

September 2, 2008 9:26 PM

teplukhin2you said:

Molly, if you're right I will eat three platefuls of Humble Arugula.

September 2, 2008 9:48 PM

MichLib said:

Obama would do himself well to simply not comment on the issue of Bristol Palin. Or to only say "It's none of my business" when asked.

And, of course, the media should investigate Gov. Palin's past, including but not limited to, the trooper firing incident (I refuse to call it Trooper-gate). To not do so would be remarkably irresponsible.

And, especially, the liberal bloggers should be all over this. If you don't agree, just go to humanevents.com and read anything by Coulter or Buchanan. It's essential that the "grassroots" fight this out.

September 2, 2008 10:10 PM

jacobt1 said:

tomeg said.

"Hmmm, like welfare mothers - like *black* welfare mothers"

Not at all, like Peter Keating . He was not black, he was white. Stop you race baiting.

September 2, 2008 11:26 PM

nbarry said:

One good side effect from this controversy is that religious scolds who point fingers at us over private sexual conduct with consenting adults may have to think twice before opening their mouths lest they look and sound like hypocrites. Republicans ought to know by now that "do as we say, not as we do" doesn't cut it with the public.

September 3, 2008 3:42 AM

aeromonas said:

Are you talking about Peter Keating in The Fountainhead?  Gawd.  

My own Ayn Rand trajectory was, I think, fairly typical.  I devoured Fountainhead over two days the summer before my freshman year at college--it's nothing if not a page-turner--and briefly bought into the whole American Individualist Ubermench shtick.  (I was too naive sexually to fully grasp the whole 'Rape Me!' theme.)  Then that same summer I dropped another twelve bucks on the Atlas Shrugged paperback, and I got halfway through it--and halfway through some Ayn Rand mouthpiece "character's" 30-page speech when I  woke up and said to myself, "This old bat is f---ing NUTS."

So, I can explain my little flirtation with Objectivism, jacobt; I was only 17 and even so fairly quickly--in no more than three weeks in fact--I came to my senses.  What's your excuse?

September 3, 2008 10:38 AM

Wandreycer1 said:

This story is all about Orwell, not Ayn Rand.

September 3, 2008 11:27 AM

Wandreycer1 said:

Molly - I love how you haven't been cowed, keep it up.  This woman is a fascist, plain and simple.  

Another thing, how much free will does poor Bristol even have in this situation, talk about Orwelllian.  Its not knowable , but I trust Mama Palin didn't really believe that "chosen to have" gaffe.

September 3, 2008 11:32 AM

teplukhin2you said:

"This woman is a fascist, plain and simple."

A fascist, of course, but by no means plain and simple. Go go boots, not jackboots.

September 3, 2008 1:12 PM

teplukhin2you said:

"I love how you haven't been cowed"

Neither cowed nor calved.

September 3, 2008 2:17 PM

ndmackenzie said:

"Family is out of Bounds," yet now we have pictures of Presidential candidate John McCain rushing off to the airport to greet Levi Johnston arriving in St. Paul.

talkingpointsmemo.com/.../212890.php

Nothing better to do with your time, John?

September 3, 2008 3:33 PM

icarusr said:

Aero: Jacob was proud of the fact that he could spell "Übermensch"; having missed Ayn Rand in my formative years, I thought he was talking about Nitzsche.  Well, now I know.  That explains quite a lot about Jacob.  I thought he was just uneducated and ill-mannered; now I discover that he has the mental capacity of a 16 year old.  

September 3, 2008 5:46 PM

Wandreycer1 said:

Actually, I'm pretty impressed - I could never spell mensch and even now I'm copying icarus.

Ah yes, my Ayn Rand period in high school was an epic one, isn't it for everyone?  But I remember hitting 17 and realizing that it was, in fact, really childish stuff. Sounds like it was the same trajectory for you aero.

It makes for great camp though, I always wanted to see a drag show with a Fountainhead theme.  Big shoulder pads, lots of eye make-up and Peter Keating with no shirt on digging in the trenches!  So he doesn't have to sell his artistic soul to the MAN!

(Or is that Atlas Shrugged? They are kind of the same book, doesn't everyone burn through both?  When they hit 16?  You should anyway, its good for ya)

Great quintessentially adolescent stuff, great fun.

But I digress.  Again.

September 3, 2008 6:24 PM

teplukhin2you said:

an umlaut! v. impressive, ick.

September 3, 2008 8:06 PM

noga1 said:

mollysimon,

Some pregnant women can and do lose weight during pregnancy. Some pregnant women do get on planes, and even on transatlantic flights. And the chances of a 44 year old woman giving birth to a Downe syndrome baby is at 4% while for a young woman the odds are less than 0.1%. And after giving birth, you are encouraged to leave the hosopital within 24 hours. So it is possible to be back at work three days after. Unless it was a c-section, which I believe is not the case claimed here.

You cannot conjecture an entire cover up scheme from these "facts" you are listing.

September 3, 2008 9:27 PM

scire said:

I'm sick of people criticizing Obama for his teleprompter reading skills: the guy IS after all, reading speeches that HE WROTE! Unlike a whole bunch of other politicians.

September 3, 2008 11:23 PM

sabaka said:

Wandreycer1 said:

This woman [Sarah Palin] is a fascist, plain and simple.  

teplukhin2you said:

What a moronic election this has become.

September 4, 2008 12:38 AM

teplukhin2you said:

scire - I agree totally that the man has unique literary gifts. But the truly great literary politicians -- Churchill, De Gaulle, Lincoln-- wrote their tours de force AFTER they had compiled great achievements, not before.

September 4, 2008 2:42 AM

luispc said:

So, the woman runs on an image of herself as a hard-working, mother of five (including soldier and pregnant marrying teenager), average PTA, against all those "elites" that "look down" on her, as they look down on all simple small town Americans like her?

So, this is

1. The same sort of myth making that was used on Bush (he is the regular guy one "has a drink" with);

2. The same sort of us (simple God fearing people, true Americans) vs. them (nihilistic elites) that made Bush so appealling.

An explosive cocktail: personal myth making + friend-enemy distinction with fascist undertones.

I do hope the Obama camp has some smart people working for them or I'm affraid they will loose.

September 4, 2008 6:14 AM

pawlowski said:

I believe the reason Gov. Palin revealed the fact of her daughter's pregnancy was that the left wing bloggers said that her Downs syndrome son was in reality her daughter's son.  That's as vicious a lie that you can make.  It was less damaging - as well as being truthful - to reveal the daughter's pregnancy.

For Obama to say that family is off limits is not so gracious or magnanimous.  All it does is hopefully preclude an examination of the timing his mother's pregnancy and his own birth.  The timing of neither a daughter's nor a mother's pregnany should be held against either candidate.          

September 4, 2008 2:13 PM

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