If he picks her as vice president after this latest from her, he's making a big mistake. He will be perceived as weak for giving in to the woman who wished his death so she could be the candidate. The Republicans would have a field day with this.

I have been extremely sceptical of Barack Obama's "change" poitics. But it is clear that you are more right than I have been on Hillary Clinton. We cannot afford her in the White House. And it is a very bad idea to put her on the ticket.

If she were on the ticket, the message would be "business as usual in Washington D,C," - which would contradict what Obama is defending.  Apart from the fact that Hillary gives the impression that she would stop at nothing to get power. She scares me.

If I understand you correctly, Marty, you are implying that Hillary might just be tempted to assassinate Obama herself  if she had  the vice presidency. Get a grip, man! Your hatred has got you hallucinating.

By the way, accusing her of being a potential assassin is far nastier  than anything she or her surrogates have EVER accused Obama of doing.

I think it's ridiculous how the Democratic Party is already in semi-mourning for a man that NO ONE has threatened in any way.  

New Rule: Only dead leaders  get to be treated like saints  and martyrs. Living leaders  - even eloquent Black ones -- have to put up with the rough treatment doled out to all other politiicans.

dkrieger:  Are you in high school?   You may need to work on your reading comprehension before the SAT comes around.

Old Dude,

I have to say that I agree with you on this 100%.  Hillary as VP would be a disaster, I have come to realize.

the last few weeks of her campaign have been a breathtaking nightmare. It's been so great this week having the focus be away from her and on Obama v. McCain.

What I really can't understand is why we all have to tiptoe around her and her supporters for fear of them coming unhinged, or fear of her and Bill doing damage. What the hell is everybody so afraid of? Obama is ignoring her and not responding to any of her insane comments, probably because he doesn't want to do anything to incite further insanity, the DNC and superdelegates are just allowing her to careen on and on, and her husband and campaign staff are enabling her. We're all witness to this breathtakingly embarrassing spectacle and nobody's telling her to stop. I thought after NC/Indiana somebody would tell her to bow out.  I thought after the white voters comment somebody would tell her to go quietly. I thought after the disenfranchisement and Selma and Zimbabwe comments somebody on her side would strong arm her into quitting. And now this latest, and she's still going at the campaign with not the slightest hint of humility or humiliation. And Bill's still out there talking about the fucking FL/MI fiascos.

And she's created a kind of pathology in her supporters that frightens me. Have you seen some of the blog posts? This is why her kennedy implication is so egregious. All you have to do is read some of the rabid comments from her supporters to understand how irresponsible it was. And look how totally nutty Geraldine Ferraro has been in her strange claims about the media sexism created by the "black journalists" and her calling Obama terribly sexist, using as evidence the shoulder brushing incident. Any other candidate would have disassociated and distanced him/herself from Ferraro by now. And now Hillary herself is saying with a straight face that yes, this campaign has experienced sexism, and no, she doesn't think racism has been injected into it, and how does the media respond? Nobody jumps all over her assertion that there has been no racism, and they all get defensive about being sexist.  It's just getting so surrealistic. What's most surrealistic is that a nation is watching and is accepting this insanity because it's coming from the Clintons. Who else in the political universe would get away with this stuff? Really. Wake up America. Get this women off the stage!

WHich is one reason why I want Obama to be president: I am so so sick of the drama. The drama this woman brings with her is frightening. If for no other reason than this, she is unfit to be the President.

Marty, i for one would be stunned if obama did pick her, either as VP or somewhere else in the cabinet. There is an old saying that one should hold their friends close, and their enemies closer. (A good tactic in boxing, especially if you're an accomplished inside fighter. Look at jack dempsey-cowboy jess williard rd 1 to see how effective a good body puncher can be.) but it would be a mistake for obama. I think he knows that, and therefore won't pick her. Not so much that they'd undertake a litteral white house coup, but she/he could sabatoge obama in many different ways.

As far as whether or not the clintons wish him bodily harm, i'd have to say no, i don't think so. Her statement suggested, to me, that she was saying "if the opportunity presents itself, i'm here.* In other words, what most would consider a tragic event, would be to her an opportunity, though she didn't use those exact words.

scire, I don't think you can't blame Hillary for the pathology of her supporters. There just seems to be plenty to go around.

I'm also curious about this idea that nobody seems able to stand up to the Clintons. Do they really wield that much power anymore? Haven't they forfeited  most of it? It reminds me of a family that lives on eggshells, allowing one person to control everything that goes on because they're all afraid that person will commit suicide if they don't. They're hostages.

yes, asnevitt, that's precisely what it reminds me of, and why I called it "enabling."

Ken Salazar of Colorado for VP.

Security First. National security + economic security for working families. Ken wrote the ur-text on this gospel, and he can deliver the state that will likely be 2008's version of FL '00 or OH '04.

Is Hillary planning Obama's assassination? Certainly not. Is she praying for an "accident", morning, noon, and night? Certainly. At this point she knows that it is her only only only way to the nomination. She has thought about it and discussed it with her staff. If that accident happens to be assassination, well, too bad for Mr. Obama--now the Clinton's can be restored to their rightful place in the White House. "What ever it takes."

As the assassins run towards Obama's back, knives drawn, its not hard to imagine the ever gracious Hillary: "Oh, excuse me. Just let get out of your way. Oh, he's right over there. Let me point you in the right direction."

Did every one notice the Clinton campaign is blaming Obama for the backlash now? Hillary has such a deep sense of insecurity coupled with overwhelming narcissism that she is starting to make the Bush administration look rational and sane. I used to say I would vote for Hillary if Guiliani were against her, at this point if a gun were put to my head in such a situation I would be tempted to say "shoot me." but now I am starting to think I would vote for Rudy.

scire, you are right, her campaign has been truly surreal. I watched that Sopranos type skit with Hillary and Bill in it and it reminded just how far they have sunk since I first watched it. I was only against her initially because I am against dynasiticsm and because she already had high negatives before the season started, I never could have imagined her candidacy would be so downright bizarre, nor her campaign staff would be able to say such patently absurd things they have said with a straight face. On one hand, the Hillary twilight zone episode has been so entertaining I would hate to see it end, on the other hand though she is doing genuine damage to America. Taking a political party hostage to her vanity and insecurity is just too much.

My warning to Martin Peretz:

Michelle Obama is fair game   By Jeff Jacoby

www.boston.com/.../michelle_obama_is_fair_game

"There is also her creepily authoritarian vision of life under an Obama administration. From a speech in California:

"Barack Obama will require you to work. He is going to demand that you shed your cynicism. That you put down your divisions. That you come out of your isolation, that you move out of your comfort zone . . . Barack will never allow you to go back to your lives as usual - uninvolved, uninformed.""

Michelle is a Winnie Mandela in waiting.

All the talk of change could get us a new version of the Mbeki rule in South Africa if we are lucky.

Yes, Hillary under stress has been saying some pretty dumb things but they are pretty modest compared to what a rested Michelle has been saying.

Do you think Michelle was waxing poetic a little? Give her a break, she's enthusiastic about her husband's candidacy and she got hyperbolic. This is the first time for her.

As for Hillary (again): Do you remember the public perception of her after her failed health care initiative? She was just like this then, only less unhinged. I distinctly remember that while Bill was popular, Hillary never was. Why do people look at her past through rose tinted glasses? We didn't like her then, and she's proven to be more of the same, only worse.

scire,

I agree with those who've said you can't blame Hillary for her supporters (and don't forget that some of her so-called supporters may well be Limbaugh-inspired Republicans just trying to, in a phrase Obama uses a lot, "gin up" the controversy).  On the other hand, I love what you wrote here:

"Which is one reason why I want Obama to be president: I am so so sick of the drama. The drama this woman brings with her is frightening. If for no other reason than this, she is unfit to be the President."

It's worth remembering that, according to David Axelrod,

"[A]t a meeting in January 2007 a few weeks before Obama announced his candidacy, Obama assembled his top staff and laid down three "predicates" for the campaign.

"First, it was to be a campaign based on grass-roots politics," ... Second, there was to be no drama, that we were all on the same team. And third, the campaign should be joyful. That has really happened.""

www.creators.com/.../obama-s-happy-drama-free-appeal.html

scire:  "Do you think Michelle was waxing poetic a little?"

No, I don't. I think she was being herself.

"Give her a break, she's enthusiastic about her husband's candidacy and she got hyperbolic. This is the first time for her."

You mean this is the first time she will be able to try and foist her sickening illiberal views on the country?

Once is one time too many, scire.

Indeed Hillary should not be on the ticket as VP. Regardless of whether she is offered the position  - I mean it would be political suicide for her to want it or to accept it. As it is, she may have another chance in 2012. However, if she accepted to run as Obama's VP, she would be blamed for everything that doesn't go Mr. Messiah's way.

Just look at how deeply unhinged his supporters on TNR or his campaign managers are. A Hillary accurate reference to past presidetail races becomes a, in the mind of the regular Obamista fanatic, a death wish. Once the race is over, she would do best for herself to stay as far as possible from Barack Hussein Obama.