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22.04.2008
The Rating Agencies, Rated "F" or Worse

 

I've been posting about the rating agencies (Moody's, Fitch, S&P) for months.  They and the bond and mortgage insurers (MBI, Ambac, a few others) are at once the source and the cause of the financial calamity in which we find ourselves now--and in which we and others will find ourselves for a long time to come.  This calamity will not be cured by gestures by the Fed or the SEC or the Secretary of the Treasury or the Congress or the World Bank or other international monetary agencies.  No one will be immune from its conseqences. 


The fact is that, while thousands of financiers are culpable, only a relative few are truly responsible for what was actually mass and collective forgery of grades and a few others who guaranteed the value of the vehicles, taking the triple AAA and double AA imprimaturs at face value, and insuring them,

The New York Times has performed a magnificent service in publishing Roger Lowenstein's classically elegant and comprehensible explanation of the debacle that we can confidently debit to Moody's. 

Here it is.

 

Posted: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 1:50 PM with 7 comment(s)

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jwl2672 said:

Again with the vilifying of the wrong people.  

First of all, the agencies and the insurance wrappers are already suffering by a loss of credibility and a loss of money, respectively.  Secondly, if I lie to a banker about my abilities, is the bank or the bank's bank liable for not checking? Especially these days with the privacy nuts out there, do you think bank's want to be sued for prying with tools other than the ones they're using now? How about eavesdropping on your phone calls?

The blame ultimately lies with the mortgage brokers who took no risk and just wanted customers so that they could sell the mortgages afterwards to the large banks.  The blame also lies with the customers - those who lied on their applications.  

I don't understand why Peretz is commenting continuously on something for which he has little experience on.  Has he worked at a rating agency or insurance wrapper? Why is he automatically assuming that there is a significant conflict of interest between the agency and the investment bankers who pay their bills? Having been both one of the agency goons and the bankers, I know for a fact that they treat bankers like s*it and dictate their terms to us.  We negotiate with them, but with historical stats, facts, and data, not with baseless pleas.

April 22, 2008 2:16 PM

tnmats said:

jw, wasn't it the job of the brokers AND the banks (or underwriters?) to verify the information on a loan application?  I got my first mortgage in 1994.  I had to just about give them my left testicle to qualify for the loan.  I had to produce 2 years of W-2 statements, show asset/bank statements, have a credit check done on me, etc.  I guess the banks and brokers, the "smart" money men, can be conned quite easily these days?

Sure the customers deserve blame.  But these supposed smart money men got greedy and should have known better.  The ultimate blame is on them.  Greed will do that to you.

April 22, 2008 4:34 PM

jwl2672 said:

The brokers couldn't care less about the loans.  They got their commission.  The mortgage broker's company got to sell their loans at a profit.  Everyone there was happy with zero risk.  They had NEGATIVE incentive to screen people.

For instance, I got my first mortgage 3 months ago.  I offered to provide them with my tax return and document all my income.  I was shocked that they never asked me for it.  (I faxed it to them anyway.) On the application, they ticked the box: "no income check. " Wow.  And here I was begging them to look!

I think we agree in principle about who's to blame here. I just think the blame should rest more on the brokers and customers rather than the rating agencies, bond insurance providers, and securitizing firms.     I think most of them are paying a heavy price already in direct proportion to their guilt.  All except the mortgage brokers who lost nothing except maybe their earnings ability.

April 22, 2008 5:09 PM

tnmats said:

jw, you just nailed the banks yourself.  As soon as the application said "no income check" they should have rejected the loan immediately.  Case closed.  The banks got themselves into this mess by ignoring basic lending principles.  I'm not a financial type but even *I* can figure that out without any special training.  Why would I lend $$ to anyone without doing a basic check?  The brokers would have learned quickly to quit writing loans that keep getting rejected.  Is there no sanity in the financial system anymore?

The old line comes to mind 'why isn't common sense more common'?  Can't say it any better myself.  The companies that bundled the loans didn't do their jobs in the least.  They just were part of the 'greed is good' crowd and of anyone should have known better (along with the ratings agencies and the brokers and banks).  I thought that's what those types get paid the obscene salaries/bonuses for, to know better.

April 22, 2008 5:56 PM

jwl2672 said:

Well, the banks paid, didn't they? The loan officers who approved buying the loan from the standalone mortgage brokers (with no skin in the game) probably lost their jobs.  Of course the banks' investors (stockholders) paid too.  But then again, they made their bucks when things were going well in the real estate market for the last 10 years.

Things look bad now but we all know what's going to happen.  We're all going to forget this expensive lesson a few years down the line when the economy improves and 10 years on, we're going to have another financial crisis from something or other.  Humans are not particularly good at foresight.

April 23, 2008 11:41 AM

The Spine said:

Moody's (about which I've posted a few times ) has announced that "The integrity of our

May 22, 2008 4:56 PM

The Spine said:

Henry Waxman, the chairman of the House of Representatives oversight committee, said on Wednesday that

October 24, 2008 2:44 PM

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