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COLUMNISTS
TODAY'S STORIES
19.03.2008
Palestinians Still Want to Kill Jews

A reliable student of Palestinian opinion, Khalil Shikaki, has been stunned by his last poll, conducted under the auspices of the Palestinian Center for Policy and Survey Research, which Ethan Bronner characterized in this morning Times as "among the few independent and reliable gauges of Palestinian public opinion." Welcome back to the vicious Middle East, Ethan! Bronner had been a reporter in the region years ago, first, for the Boston Globe and, later, for the NYT, a slightly gullible reporter, if you'll excuse me. Maybe no longer.

So what shocked Shikaki? According to Bronner, the pollster "said he was shocked because the survey, taken last week, showed greater support for violence than any other he had conducted over the past 15 years in the Palestinian areas. Never before, he said, had the majority favored an end to negotiations or the shooting of rockets at Israel." Or, as Shikaki put it himself, "there is real reason to be concerned."

An instance of the pollster's findings: 84 percent of those polled supported the attack on the Mercaz Harav yeshiva in which nine young students were murdered. In the West Bank, Mahmoud Abbas, the ineffective leader of Fatah, has fallen behind Hamas chief Ismail Haniyeh in popularity measured by which of them is favored for president of Palestine, if there were to be a Palestine.

Secretary Rice is, of course, desperate about the utter failure of her post-Annapolis project. Helene Cooper reports, also in today's Times, that the "U.S. May Relent on Hamas Role in Talks." So we all move from a conference with folks who want some kind of settlement and but don't have the power to deliver to a conference with folks who have the power to deliver but don't want a settlement.

No wonder Chancellor Merkel and President Szarkozy have put their countries fully behind Israel in its existential struggle for security.

Posted: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 7:21 PM with 12 comment(s)

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jacksondyer said:

"So we all move from a conference with folks who want some kind of settlement and but don't have the power to deliver to a conference with folks who have the power to deliver but don't want a settlement."  Marty Peretz

Your sentence should have read, Marty:

“So we all move from a conference with folks who OSTENSIBLY want some kind of settlement and but don't have the power to deliver to a conference with folks who have the power to deliver but don't want a settlement.”

March 19, 2008 3:01 PM

jacksondyer said:

Btw: the NY Times report wasn’t as objective as all that. The accompanying photograph on the page showed a woman walking by a burning car which the caption said was the result of “an Israeli military raid in Zababida in the West Bank.”

In other words the picture implies that Israel is to blame for the violence.

March 19, 2008 3:06 PM

Stuart Wild said:

Read today's Haaretz, describing rulings by Yesha Rabbinical Chief Rabbi Dov Lior and his partners in crime  banning Jews from selling or renting to or employing Arabs, and requiring the shooting of Arabs in towns from which emanate terrorists .(Only Arab terrorists I assume— the town which belched forth Baruch Goldstein is, I suppose, exempt.) They are an embarrassment, and while I'm at it, have any of the Jews who denounce Obama over his association with Jeremiah Wright similarly denounce Israeli politicians who cavort with these shtremel crowned thugs?

Any avid supporter of Israel has to acknowledge the existence of these morons, and pray for divine intervention that will lead to their silence. They play a role in making dialog impossible, and keeping blood pressures down. I wish they'd just go away.

March 19, 2008 5:31 PM

rebml said:

Stuart Wild: Baruch Goldstein's actions were condemned by the State of Israel. The culture of death that exists in Palestinian society celebrated the death of innocents. Check out MEMRI.org for some horrifying transcripts. Also, Israel, unlike Jordan, allowed the murderer's family to mourn (though they did prevent them from flying Hamas banners).

Your attempt to compare the Rabbinical ruling with the widespread culture of hatred (which continues to be taught to Palestinian children--remember the Mickey Mouse character preaching death to Israelis) in Palestinian society is obscene.  

March 19, 2008 7:48 PM

rebml said:

Stuart Wild: Baruch Goldstein's actions were condemned by the State of Israel. The culture of death that exists in Palestinian society celebrated the death of innocents. Check out MEMRI.org for some horrifying transcripts. Also, Israel, unlike Jordan, allowed the murderer's family to mourn (though they did prevent them from flying Hamas banners).

Your attempt to compare the Rabbinical ruling with the widespread culture of hatred (which continues to be taught to Palestinian children--remember the Mickey Mouse character preaching death to Israelis) in Palestinian society is obscene.  

March 19, 2008 7:51 PM

babigail said:

Stuart, I'm a Jew and an Israeli. the real morons, as i hope you meant, are the Israeli leaders. Shame and disgrace on them. These so-called rabbis break a bunch of clear and unequivocal laws, and they're left alone, above the earthly laws of mortals.

What purpose this achieves - I have no idea. The same purpose as letting the criminal hill boys and other zealots over there harass their neighbors, I suppose.

A bunch of lawless pagan hoodlums and their rabbis overtook the Israeli governments, and has been the master here for decades.

I have no real explanation but some obscure fear of a civil war that may erupt if god forbid any of these evil persosns will be brough to justice.

Personally - I'm looking forward to such a civil war. These primitive heathens have to be stopped once and for all.

Trying to do anything when you have these hooligans on one side and the Pals on the other is hopeless.

But at least I don't have to be ashamed of the Pals.

March 19, 2008 8:03 PM

Stuart Wild said:

Babigail: You said in a far more articulate way what I was trying to say. Thank you.

March 19, 2008 8:21 PM

rebml said:

Why should anyone be surprised by this survey. Listen to one of the Hamas leaders:

Following are excerpts from a speech delivered by Hamas MP Fathi Hammad, which aired on Al-Aqsa TV on February 29, 2008.

Fathi Hammad: [The enemies of Allah] do not know that the Palestinian people has developed its [methods] of death and death-seeking. For the Palestinian people, death has become an industry, at which women excel, and so do all the people living on this land. The elderly excel at this, and so do the mujahideen and the children. This is why they have formed human shields of the women, the children, the elderly, and the mujahideen, in order to challenge the Zionist bombing machine. It is as if they were saying to the Zionist enemy: "We desire death like you desire life."

How outrageous is STuart Wild? What world do you live in?

Close

March 19, 2008 8:54 PM

babigail said:

reb, there's full justification to compare these fanatic pagans to the Pals. Both groups are keen on hatred, revenge, and death. They act the same and look the same and believe in more or less the same. Both are villains under the guise of their "religions". "Our" thugs are not better than the Palestinians.

You can't tell the difference between the last pogromchick they've conducted in the village of Jabel Mukabar and the wild riots of Palestinian hate-driven gangs.

The impotence of the police in this last pogrom was no accident. I don't believe the police was "fooled". The whole security establishment has been equally "fooled" all over these cursed territories for the last decades. I call this collaboration at worst, coercion at best.

Israeli governments have been captive in the hands of these West Bank criminals and have let them run wild in the territories that have been under our protectorate. There's no law in the west bank, and no willingness to enforce it. It's all about terrorizing each other freely.

No real regime on either side.

Disgrace is what it is.

March 20, 2008 2:11 AM

JPKatz said:

Stuart Wild asks:  ".  . . have any of the Jews who denounce Obama over his association with Jeremiah Wright similarly denounce Israeli politicians who cavort with these shtremel crowned thugs?"

I am pretty sure that the answer to this is: Yes; some have. But it is a rather odd question. For one thing, it is likely that Jews who express reservations over Obama because of his association with Wright are Americans who are concerned about Obama's qualifications to serve as President; the Israeli politicians are not running for political office in the US. But in any case, I wonder what Wild makes of this parallel question: Have any of the Arabs who denounce these "shtremel crowned thugs" similarly denounced Obama over his association with Jeremiah Wright?

March 20, 2008 7:55 AM

jacksondyer said:

Where is my post?

March 20, 2008 11:36 AM

jacksondyer said:

“Israeli attacked by Arab youth in NY”

www.jpost.com/.../Satellite

“A 25-year-old Israeli rabbinical assistant was assaulted by a group of Arab teenagers screaming "Allah akbar" in Brooklyn on Tuesday evening.

March 20, 2008 12:23 PM

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