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30.12.2007
Obama and Race

I have my qualms, as you may know, about Barack Obama, and most especially about what his foreign policy might be.  If elected (and actually before he were to be elected), the first decision he would have to make would be who would represent him in the transition to power from early November to January 20.  And, frankly, I get the shudders since he has indicated that, among others, they would be Zbigniew Bzrezinski (I don't know much about his son, listed as Mark, but I can guess), Anthony Lake, Susan Rice and Robert O. Malley.  Rice actually undermines the whole promise and premise of Obama's campaign as, finally, an Afro-American candidate who will not play Jesse Jackson politics either on race domestically or on Africa itself, which Rice had done aplenty in Liberia, Sierra Leone and AIDS in South Africa when she was Madelaine Albright's assistant secretary on African matters.  The most horrific name on Obama's list, however, is Malley's.  

It is true that Malley was on Bill Clinton's staff at Camp David when Ehud Barak had all the juice squeezed out of him to satisfy Yassir Arafat.  But he was the only American in attendance to blame the failure of the negotiations on Israel, not least in The New York Review of Books, whose prior experts on the conflict were Noam Chomsky and I.F. Stone, afterwards to be replaced by George Soros, "oich mir a maven" or also an expert, and Henry Siegman.  Don't blame yourself if you don't recognize Siegman's name.  (Anyway, he hasn't appeared in the NYRB in some time. Maybe he even embarrasses Bob Silvers by now, as Chomsky came to embarrass him.) Malley also showed his colors with his attempt to coin a new nomenclature for the Israeli villages and towns in the West Bank, from "settlements" to "colonies."  Why would Obama name Malley to his team?   You ask me. I ask him. 

All of this notwithstanding and some other foreign policy issues, as well, I incline towards Obama because even his candidacy has already altered the terms of racial discourse in America...and altered it in a realistically progressive manner.  Christopher Caldwell, the most learned and most sensible conservative columnist, has written about this in the week-end Financial Times and links this phenomenon to changes in racial attitudes because of Oprah Winfrey and Bill Cosby.  I do not think this is at all demeaning to Obama.  He is not competing for the black vote in this campaign (and he may even lose it for archaic reasons to Hillary Clinton, for shwarmerei Toni Morrison reasons), as Oprah and Cosby were not competing for the black audience but the all-American audience.  The analogy is not at all demeaning.  Who will deny that this woman and this man have had a salutary effect on racial realities in the country?

Caldwell makes the point that the gap between black and white has narrowed considerably, and this is already an achievement.  So Mrs. Clinton's patronizing of blacks as if they owe her is rather demeaning, and so is Bill's.  What's more, the country is now filling with immigrants, legal and illegal, and they are erecting a new reality in America which centralizes them as the issue which cannot be faced.  The fact is that no one has an intellectually coherent and liberally clean solution to the dilemma of the illegals (as the conservatives maliciously call them) or to the undocumented (as the liberals try to disguise them as innocent.)  Blacks are as split as whites on this matter, and they are part of the solution, if there is a solution.

"The peculiar institution," as Kenneth Stampp called his 1956 study of American slavery, defined our society and politics for nearly a century and a half after Emancipation.  Of course, its effects still linger, and loathsomely.  No one -- and certainly not I -- is declaring them buried.  The conflict between Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama is a competition between feminism or women's rights and a liquidation of the problem of race in America.  I do not deny the insult to women that also still lingers in our country.  But Benazir Bhutto was the prime minister of a Muslim country twice long before she was assassinated, and woman have been chiefs-of-state in the U.K., Germany, Sri Lanka, Finland, Liberia, Israel, Ukraine, Argentina, the Philippines, Canada and literally dozens of other countries.  There will be no great thrill to another one.  Of course, there have been perhaps hundreds of black men who were and are heads of states in their countries.  But Obama would be the president of the United States, which has borne the burden of racism, sometimes willingly, and the refutation of that symbol would change the world.  Is that not change enough to be for him?

Posted: Sunday, December 30, 2007 10:30 PM with 16 comment(s)

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dcshungu said:

What a bunch of incoherent and cynical ramblings!

"But Benazir Bhutto was the prime minister of a Muslim country twice long before she was assassinated, and woman [sic] have been chiefs-of-state in the U.K., Germany, Sri Lanka, Finland, Liberia, Israel, Ukraine, Argentina, the Philippines, Canada and literally dozens of other countries.  There will be no great thrill to another one.  Of course, there have been perhaps hundreds of black men who were and are heads of states in their countries.  But Obama would be the president of the United States, which has borne the burden of racism, sometimes willingly, and the refutation of that symbol would change the world.  Is that not change enough to be for him?"

1. There has never been a female POTUS in more than two centuries of this Mother of all Democracies and that does not strike you as something so utterly incredible that it would be "great thrill", not only in America but worldwide to elect a the first ever woman POTUS? Wouldn't the symbolism of refuting sexism and chauvinism in American politics do a great deal for the cause of women everywhere? But does that benefit alone enough to justify supporting for Hillary for POTUS? HECK NO! She'd have to qualify, just like any man would have to qualify to be POTUS!

2. If electing Obama POTUS is a noble thing because it would "unburden" the US of its shameful history of racism, wouldn't electing Hillary be equally noble because it would squarely address the latent sexism and chauvinism that that has kept women in America from occupying the highest and most powerful leadership position in the world?  Why would there "be no great thrill" to have yet another woman head of state but it would be to have yet another black man head of state? Discrimination by gender is more tolerable than discrimination by race? How about by religion [JFK, Romney]? Do you see where this is going?

3. I find it insulting, even immoral, to suggest that  it is worth supporting Obama because the elevation of a black man to POTUS would  wash away the stain of America's sordid experimentation with racism and segregation.  In fact, you just  unwittingly advocated a concept that I find despicable and that I am sure Obama would take issue with: The "affirmative action presidency."

4.  Coming from the Editor-in-Chief of a publication such as TNR, the incoherent cynicism  in just that one paragraph is simply appalling..

December 31, 2007 12:47 AM

dcshungu said:

I apologize for the many typographical  errors in my preceding post but thoughts about how to effectively respond Marty Peretz's latest abomination were colliding at high speed in my head as I was writing! I hope that I got my point basic point across, however.

December 31, 2007 12:56 AM

rozenson said:

"Coming from the Editor-in-Chief of a publication such as TNR, the incoherent cynicism  in just that one paragraph is simply appalling.."

TNR's a great magazine no matter how bombastic or quirky Marty gets. That's what his role on the TNR website -- the blowhard blogger. It's entertaining, if sometimes irritating.

I'm not saying that Obama's race should be a deciding factor to vote for him, but don't you agree that electing him would be more of a cultural accomplishment than electing Hillary? Obama did not grow up in a ghetto, but many black people do. There are no gettoes for women, they are a biological necessity for every race. Some people in this country have never met more than a handful of people of color. I think Marty's just saying that it would be a more progressive step.

December 31, 2007 3:57 AM

dcshungu said:

"There are no gettoes [sic] for women, they are a biological necessity for every race."

That statement fully explains why anyone would ask with straight face: "don't you agree that electing [Obama] would be more of a cultural accomplishment than electing Hillary?" No, I do not agree at all, ad it seems to me that you views on this might be quite bigoted. To characterize women as simply "a biological necessity for every race" shows complete lack of respect for them. and to suggest that Obama's race be a factor in this presidential election insults Obama and all "people of color" because of the implication that America "owes" them the presidency since segregation and racism created a schism that gave us ghettos, and poisoned interracial relations to where "some people in this country have never met more than a handful of people of color.," In fact, I am not sure how it is even possible that in the 21st century and several decades after the civil rights movement, there are still people out there who continue to practice segregation...That narrow-mindedness is what needs to be addressed and I do not see how advocating an "affirmative action presidency" would begin to address it. In fact, I suspect that just the opposite would be accomplished since it is those same "people in this country have never met more than a handful of people of color" would be the ones riled up by the election of a "person of color" as POTUS!

What you and Marty [you, in fact, sound like you might be Marty] are advocating would be 'regressive" and not "progressive."  Although there might be no "formal" ghettos for women, there are plenty of women living in real as well as virtual ghettos everywhere in the world where men harbor the sexist and chauvinistic mentality that you just displayed here. What do you think harems are? What do you think the requirement that women dress in certain ways in some cultures is? To use your logic,  don't you agree that electing Hillary would also be a cultural accomplishment of the kind you see in electing Obama POTUS? I see no differences at all: Neither gender nor race is a valid consideration in electing a POTUS.  Progress [as in "progressive'] would be made when neither race nor gender is considered a factor in presidential politics, just like neither is seldom a factor [at least not openly] in congressional, gubernatorial or other types of elections in America.

December 31, 2007 9:25 AM

boxofrox said:

dcshungu:

I agree with the purity of your position. I, too, lose patience with identity politics. It is an insult to decency itself. Nonetheless I accept that there are many who will continue to demand quid pro quo as an offering for sins of the past. I that light I quite agree with Marty. Obama's campaign, by virtue of its refusal to play victims politics elavates the character of that racial conversation to a more desired level in tune with the desired mark. That being the color/gender blind disposition of our collective general.

Your stridency while admirable in some respects fails to admit to a reality. I'm so sick of 'race'" that I'd like to vomit. I've said as much. Just steamroll the bastards and let them live in their caves. But......allowing for such reality seems a practical consideration not quite worthy of the derision you bring.

December 31, 2007 9:54 AM

The Ignorant Populist said:

Great news about Obama using Malley. I like him more and more. Hopefully, this indicates that the "audacity of change" will be applied to the I/P conflict as well. Or that at least he's not going to take his cues from the usual militant Zionists, without critical thought. Good for him.

December 31, 2007 10:11 AM

dcshungu said:

boxfrox:

"Nonetheless I accept that there are many who will continue to demand quid pro quo as an offering for sins of the past. In that light I quite agree with Marty. Obama's campaign, by virtue of its refusal to play victims politics elavates the character of that racial conversation to a more desired level in tune with the desired mark. That being the color/gender blind disposition of our collective general."

Huh? This strikes  me as a non sequitur or an outright contradiction. It seems to me that what Marty was advocating was " quid pro quo as an offering for sins of the past", which you - and I am with on this - laud Obama for refusing ["refusal to play victims politics elavates the character of that racial conversation"],  and you're telling me that you agree with Marty? I must be misunderstanding what it is exactly that you agree with Marty on...

Simplification always helps:

People are advocating quid pro quo as an offering for sins of the past; Obama says that he is no victim and therefore no offering is necessary; I agree with Obama, and vehemently disagree with Marty. Where are you do you come out on this again?

December 31, 2007 10:50 AM

boxofrox said:

dcshungu:

Please don't concern yourself with my confusion. Just leave me to my delusions. Sheath thy daggers. They have done their work. I match my rubber to your steel. Let it be.

December 31, 2007 11:25 AM

The Spine said:

Did Hillary Clinton criticize her husband for not intervening in Rwanda? Mike Crowley blogged about this

December 31, 2007 12:03 PM

rozenson said:

"Neither gender nor race is a valid consideration in electing a POTUS."

That's what I said before.

When I said that women were a "necessity" I can understand why you would take that as being disrespectful. What I meant was that no population can survive without women -- there must necessarily be women in peoples' lives. But for people in especially white states, there is a huge cultural divide with people of other races. I was saying that for a country such as ours with these racial divides, it would be an especially impressive achievement to have a black man as POTUS. Not that this is a reason to vote for him . . .

December 31, 2007 1:10 PM

blackton said:

boxy, wonderful post (s), loved the last one, it is definitely worth the price of admission. dcshungu, relax. I agree electing a woman would be a wonderful thing, just not THIS woman. Wives of Presidents who become Presidents themselves has a definite banana republic feel to it. While I disagree with Maggie Thatchers politics, she earned her position. I hope our first woman president will have done it all herself.

December 31, 2007 2:54 PM

mollysimon said:

Right on, Blackton.  Loved your last post, as well, Boxy.  

December 31, 2007 5:39 PM

dcshungu said:

blackton:

"boxy, wonderful post (s), loved the last one, it is definitely worth the price of admission. dcshungu, relax. I agree electing a woman would be a wonderful thing, just not THIS woman. Wives of Presidents who become Presidents themselves has a definite banana republic feel to it. While I disagree with Maggie Thatchers politics, she earned her position. I hope our first woman president will have done it all herself."

Tough to just relax when one is confronted with such thoughtlessness. Hillary Clinton is a two-term Senator, which gives her one more US Senate term (~6 years) in national elective office than her two main opponents (Sen. Obama and former Sen. Edwards) . She has won plaudits on her own for her work on children defense and women issues. She was one of our most activist first ladies (Eleanor Roosevelt comes to mind), has been in public service for more than three decades. I could go on, but you get the picture. Now, what is it exactly that you wish for Senator Clinton to have done on her own? I have no idea who you are supporting but if it is either former Sen. Edwards or Sen Obama, could you please enlighten us as to what makes them more qualified for POTUS than Senator Clinton, who has a full senate term more under her belt than they do?

We'll be waiting with bated breath to be enlightened...

December 31, 2007 6:17 PM

blackton said:

Hillary carpetbagged to NY to win her Senate seat, winning on name recognition only, if she had won in Arkansas I would have been more impressed. She is not a two term Senator but is only in her second year of her second term with her entire first term spent in the minority and her second spent mostly running for President. Her legislative legacy is slight to say the least. As to her being in Public service 3 decades, I do not count being married to a politician being in Public Service. Beyond that for her service she has received many millions of dollars more than would have happened if she married just another lawyer. Would she have been successful if she had, yes, would she be anywhere close to running on her own now if her husband were the equivalent of Dennis Thatcher? Of course not. She is also not a natural born leader, for most it is Clinton restoration. Her Presidency would be doomed to failure with Republicans convinced she was elected to spite them.

Beyond this, there is something depressing in Bush Clinton Bush Clinton. The Clintons had their eight years, two party rule, not two family please. In American history the only person whom I think was worthy was Bobby Kennedy, who was an extraordinary person in his own right. When people like Bill Clinton or Obama walk into a room there is a presence they possess. People can literally feel their presence, does anyone claim Hillary has such charisma?

I am of two minds in this election. If we are headed for a recession, meltdown in Iraq, ie. a bad next couple of years then I prefer John McCain, simply because he will be a one termer, will handle such situations better than most and will be replaced by a Democratic party resurgence. If times are going to be good then I hope Obama will be elected because I believe people will be more receptive to inspirational change in such a case.

To be honest I had hoped Gore would run again and Obama would be his VP. I think Gore has both figuratively and literally filled out and would have made a good president but I respect his decision.

December 31, 2007 9:50 PM

achester99 said:

Um, Ignorant Populist: Every single American who was at Camp David, from Bill Clinton on down, saw one thing, Malley saw the complete opposite.  How is this an endorsement of Malley?

December 31, 2007 10:32 PM

butchie b said:

Blackie, thank you for summing up my views on HRC.  Why, oh why, anyone thinks she has "experience" is beyond me.  She is a very smart person, and should be running a major law firm somewhere in Chicago.  That she married the Big He qualifies her for nothing.  We need an American Thatcher, if we truly want to "elect a woman."  And I'm not talking policy.

dschungu - public service for 3 decades?  Really?  Then my 21 years in the military should qualify me for the Senate, right?  Please.

January 2, 2008 11:45 AM

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