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03.11.2008
3 AM Polls: McCain Running Out of Time, Undecideds

Barack Obama's position has become somewhat stronger since our update this afternoon. We now have him with a 5.8 point lead in the national popular vote, and winning the election 96.3 percent of the time. Earlier today, those figures were 5.4 and 93.7, respectively.

I continue to find a hair's worth of tightening on balance in the state-by-state polls -- even as Obama's position in the national trackers seems to be roughly as strong as it has ever been. This, ironically, is the exact reverse of the position we saw earlier in the week, when the national polls seemed to be tightening even as the state polls weren't.

However, Obama's win percentage has ticked upward again for a couple of reasons. Firstly, he's gotten some relatively good numbers out of Pennsylvania since our last update, with PPP and Zogby giving him leads of 8 and 14 points, respectively, and Rasmussen showing his lead expanding to 6 points after having been at 4 before. (The Zogby poll is probably an outlier, but may serve to balance out outliers like Strategic Vision on the other side).

Secondly, McCain's clock has simply run out. While there is arguable evidence of a small tightening, there is no evidence of a dramatic tightening of the sort he would need to make Tuesday night interesting.

Related to this is the fact that there are now very, very few true undecideds left in this race. After accounting for a third-party vote, which looks as though it will come in at an aggregate of 2 percent or so (after doing some work on this tonight, I concluded that I had been slightly underestimating the third-party vote before), I am showing only about 2.7 percent of the electorate left to allocate between the two major-party candidates. Even if John McCain were to win 70 perecnt of the remaining undecideds (which I don't think is likely), that would only be worth a net of about a point for him. Frankly, McCain's winning scenarios mainly involve the polls having been wrong in the first place -- because of a Bradley Effect or something else. It is unlikely that the polls will "tighten" substantially further -- especially when Obama already has over 50 percent of the vote.

It's very late, obviously, so we won't get into too much more detail, but a couple of quick notes.

--> Don't worry too much about that SurveyUSA result in Minnesota, which shows Obama just 3 points ahead. SurveyUSA's polling in Minnesota has been very, very weird all year; they've never shown Obama with larger than a 6 point lead in their likely voter model, and had McCain ahead in the state as recently as October 1st. SurveyUSA does not have a Republican lean in general, but in Minnesota, it has consistently had a huge one.

--> A couple of the national polls have now started to predict how undecided voters will behave and allocate them between the two major-party candidates. I use the versions of these surveys before any such allocations are made, as from my point of view it isn't the pollster's job to get into the prediction business (our model has its own ideas about how to handle undecideds).



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 --Nate Silver

Posted: Monday, November 03, 2008 4:11 AM with 6 comment(s)

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propositionjoe said:

It's a little after 5 in the morning, and I've been up for a couple of hours already, neurotically reading poll numbers and news items. The national numbers loook good, and it doesn't look like McCain will have enough time to convince the American people that Obama is the atheistic, bastard lovechild of Eugene Debs and Emma Goldman. That said, my Id (i.e. Joe Scarbarough) is forcing my brain to consider a nightmare scenario in which Obama rolls up a huge popular vote victory but McCain ekes out enough battleground states to take the electoral college. Florida is too close for my taste, as is Ohio and North Carolina. Is it really possible that Obama is going to win Virginia? McCain probably still has a shot. Nevada should go for Obama, but having spoken to my 90 year-old grandmother this weekend (a lifelong Nevada Democrat who referred to Obama as "that son of a bitch"), I have some doubts. What if the Republicans actually harpoon the white whale of Pennsylvania? Obama can still win but only if he holds in VA and the Mountain West. But how could he possibly win VA and lose PA? Ugh.

Normally, I would twist open a fresh bottle of cough syrup, take a deep drink, and chase it with a long huff from the gas can. But I have to go work so that SOB Obama can take more of my money and distribute it to the welfare class--and I think we know who THOSE PEOPLE are. I need this thing to be over.

November 3, 2008 5:48 AM

Brent said:

Amen, Joe.  I hardly slept a wink last night from worry.  It's reached the point that if Obama wins tomorrow night, the overwhelming feeling I will get will likely be relief.

Nate, your work has been very educational and I have enjoyed it a great deal.  Your analysis of this election has been groundbreaking in so many ways.  I only hope your assumptions and models are proven correct Tuesday night.

November 3, 2008 6:47 AM

Rhubarbs said:

Anecdotal report from Northern Virginia:

- I drove a neighbor to the local Obama office last night so she could pick up some door-hangers for her morning neighborhood walk. There were at least 100 people in the office at 9:00 pm, with dozens coming in and out every few minutes as groups did late canvassing. The door-hangers my neighbor picked up came in a folder with detailed information about every home she was to visit, with instructions for reporting any new information or houses she couldn't get to due to locked gates, dogs, etc., in order for the Monday-evening canvassers to have the most updated information. The number of volunteers, their commitment and enthusiasm, and the organization's attention to detail are to any other campaign or nonprofit I'v ever seen as the Philadelphia Phillies are to the Boise Hawks.

- I finished my own guerilla GOTV prep yesterday, spraypainting the last of 18 road signs I'll put up tonight to help people in my precinct find the recently relocated, very hard to find polling station. We've got a neighborhood team ready to spring into action tonight to put up pre-tagged signs in locations designated on Google Earth printouts; the neighborhood is going to look like an O-Bomb went off with all these "Voting Place ->" signs. This is important, because my precinct has the highest proportion of Democratic versus Republican primary participation in Northern Virginia, but also the lowest overall turnout of any precinct in Northern Virginia, and most of that missing turnout comes from a high-rise apartment building on the far end of the precinct. Bunch of us are skipping tonight's rally in Manassas to put up the signs.

- Had my Obama yard sign stole last night between 10 and 11 pm. Deployed my last replacement yard sign this morning. I'm suppressing my inner williamyard and keeping my home ammunition-free until after the election, because having my campaign sign stolen really does feel as angering and violating as yard argues. What kind of cowardly vandal steals election signs? Republicans, apparently. So I'm going to make sure all of tonight's polling-place-direction-sign-deploying teams carry baseball bats and cellphones with cameras.

November 3, 2008 8:36 AM

timteeter said:

Anecdotal report from Georgia:

I've been canvassing, phoning, and typing in data on and off for about two weeks now either out of the local party headquarters or from the Neighbor to Neighbor program from Obama's website.  (Angry dogs to date: two.)  Over and over, in very poor African American neighborhoods, I was greeted by people who had already voted--just the sort you would not expect not to vote at all in a "normal" election year.  One of my canvassing partners was, in fact, an African Ameircan woman who confessed to me that she was actually a Republican who might have voted for McCain in other circumstances, but was deeply turned off by Palin.

Anyway, yesterday I saw the final count for early vote totals here in Georgia--over two million (and that's without the extended hours that Crist gave Floridians).  

That's 60% of the total 2004 vote (3.3 million).  By comparison, early voting in 04 totaled 20%.  That does not mean that voting in 08 will total 10 million.  But it almost certainly does mean that total voting will increase from 04's 3.3 to something closer to 4 million, perhaps even a good bit over, and most of those extra voters will not be McCain people.  Look for a possible big surprise from GA Tuesday night.

November 3, 2008 10:33 AM

satyendra said:

My co-worker who lives in N. VA has attempted early voting a couple of times.  Last Tuesday, the line was 3.5 hours.  Last night, 4 hours.  She says she'll get up at 5:30 AM tomorrow, get breakfast, and queue up as long as needed.

For some reason I've always been lucky in IL and MD with respect to lines.  I've never seen more than a dozen or so people ahead of me, and I'm always in and out in 15 min.  Plus, the polling places are typically just a couple of blocks away, and in one case, a full mile!

November 3, 2008 10:38 AM

frilz1 said:

Watching Bruce Sprinsteen sing beautifl songs last evening in Cleveland and introduce Obama to probably the largest crowd of the year for anyone, then hearing Obama give an uplifting speech (with a few gentle jibes at McCain), I was actually moved to tears. After 2000 and 2004 I began to wonder if I'd live to see another Dem in the White House, much less see a blowout win over the GOP such as we've not seen since 1964. Its been worth the wait! Please, everybody, GET OUT & VOTE FOR OBAMA!!

November 3, 2008 12:01 PM