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COLUMNISTS
TODAY'S STORIES
01.11.2008
Today's Polls: Victory Conditions

 

This is beginning to look like a five-state election. Those states are Virginia, Colorado, Pennsylvania, Ohio and Nevada. Essentially all relevant electoral scenarios involve some combination of these five states.

I should caution that by far the most likely scenario is that Obama wins some relatively decisive victory of anywhere from 3-12 points in the popular vote. If Obama wins the popular vote by anything in this range, he will find plenty of blue territory, accumulating somewhere between 300-400 electoral votes. The electoral math will matter very little.

We can probably assume, however, that IF the national polls tighten significantly (and to reiterate, the likelihood is that they will NOT), McCain will edge out a victory in North Carolina, Florida, Indiana, North Dakota, Montana, Georgia, and Missouri; put those states in the McCain column for the time being. Likewise, New Mexico, New Hampshire, Minnesota, Michigan, Wisconsin and Iowa all appear safe for Obama, even in the case of significant tightening. Put those in the Obama column.

That leaves our five states in play. The victory conditions for Obama involving these five states proceed something as follows:

1. Win Pennsylvania and ANY ONE of Colorado, Virginia, Ohio, or Nevada*
2. Win Ohio and EITHER Colorado OR Virginia.
3. Win Colorado AND Virginia AND Nevada.

(* Nevada produces a 269-269 tie, which would probably be resolved for Obama in the House of Represenatives.)

Now, suppose you think that Colorado is already in the bag for Obama because of his large edge in early voting there. We can then simplify the victory conditions as follows:

1. Win Pennsylvania
2. Win Ohio
3. Win Virginia AND Nevada

That's basically what it comes down to, although I'm sure each campaign would claim that there are a larger number of states in play.

*-*

Sorry to get off on such a tangent about this; I wanted to talk, for a change, about something other than whether the POLLS ARE TIGTHENING (!!!) or not. But as to that question, the evidence is again somewhat mixed. Contrary to other recent days, Obama gained ground in the national trackers on average, picking up points in Research 2000, Gallup and Rasmussen. The Zogby that Matt Drudge went on about turned out to be the only poll where he lost ground, while ABC/Post, IPD/TIPP and Hotline held steady.

However, our model does perceive about a point's worth of tightening in the state polls. And the Pennslyvania polls have probably tightened by more than one point, although it is important to note that the four polls that show the state in the mid- single digits (Rasmussen, Mason-Dixon, ARG and Strategic Vision) have all had Republican leans so far this cycle. Pennsylvania is still an extreme long shot for John McCain -- Obama is more likely to win Arizona than McCain the Keystone -- just not quite the long-shot that it had looked like a couple of days ago.

As a final word of warning, proceed cautiously with any polls that were in the field last night. Friday nights are difficult enough to poll, and holidays are difficult enough to poll, but when a Friday night coincides with a holiday (in this case, Halloween), getting an appropriate sample is all but impossible.


Posted: Saturday, November 01, 2008 7:17 PM with 6 comment(s)

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liebig said:

Nate -- If I understand you, you're saying that Obama can lose Ohio, Florida, and Pennsylvania and still win just by taking Virginia and Nevada.  But in your scenario analysis on fivethirtyeight, you say that Obama's chances of winning are only 6.82% if he loses Florida, Ohio, and Pennsylvania.  Why are his chances so low in that scenario, given that he's ahead in the polls in both Virginia and Nevada?

November 1, 2008 8:28 PM

ramboorider said:

I can't even begin to speak for Nate, but I gotta figure that if he loses Florida, Ohio, and Pennsylvania, there's been some fairly massive national shift. In which case, he'd be unlikely to win Virginia and either Colorado or Nevada. I can't see him losing Pennsylvania and winning Virginia, for example.

November 1, 2008 8:43 PM

cspencef said:

My guess is that ramboorider has got it.  If Obama loses FL, OH, and PA all together it's because something catastrophic has happened.

November 1, 2008 9:37 PM

s4200 said:

Expressing my Democratic misgiving with Obama.

The McCain blog is full with like minded Democrats.

We do not like the Axelrod army of over-active organizers dispatched to steal all caucus and primary elections against the better judgment of all sane Democrats.

We will see if the Democrats will split between McCain and Obama.

Good luck to us!

November 2, 2008 6:28 PM

roidubouloi said:

I think CO is in the bag and the 4th scenario is Obama wins FL.  So, it is a five-state election based on OH, PA, FL and VA/NV.   I think Obama is going to win all of them, but we can stop watching TV altogether the moment he has won any two of OH, PA, FL and VA.  At that point, McCain will have been cooked to perfection.

November 2, 2008 8:56 PM

Hungarian Great Bela Tarr said:

Yeah, where's Florida in these "victory scenarios?" Last I checked, Obama was leading there.

November 2, 2008 9:48 PM