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COLUMNISTS
TODAY'S STORIES
30.10.2008
Today's Polls: What McCain Needs to Do / What McCain Isn't Doing

We're getting to you a little bit late tonight, so let's keep this short and to the point...



With no fewer than 45 polls released since our last update, covering essentially all of the major swing states, we have a pretty good idea of where this race stands -- a far better idea than you'll get by trying to discern the meaning of John Zogby's divining rod or paying any attention to what you see on the front page of Drudge Report. What we can say, when we put all this information together, is that there are two things that John McCain is NOT doing.

Number one, John McCain is NOT closing Obama's margin as quickly as he needs to (if indeed he is closing it at all). This appears to be a 6- or 7- point race right now ... that's where we have it, that's where RCP has it, that where Pollster.com has it. In order to beat Barack Obama, John McCain will need to gain at least one point per day between now and the election. Our model does think that McCain has pared about a point off Obama's margin -- but it has taken him a week to do so. Now, McCain needs to gain six more points in six more days. And he needs to do so with no real ground game, no real advertsing budget, and no one particularly strong message. Not easy.

Number two, John McCain is NOT gaining ground in the states that matter the most. The top tier of states in this election are Virginia, Colorado and Pennsylvania. There is lots of lots of polling in these states, particularly in Virgnia and Pennsylvania, and it's all coming up in roughly the same range, showing Obama leads in the high single digits (in VA and CO) or the low double digits (in PA). The second tier of states is probably Ohio, Florida and Nevada. McCain seems to be getting a bit stronger in Florida; Obama seems to be getting a bit stronger in Ohio and Nevada. McCain does seem to have halted Obama's progress in some of the third-tier states, particularly Missouri and North Carolina. On the other hand, some other third-tier states, like New Mexico and particularly New Hampshire (where Obama is getting some insane numbers lately), now appear to be off the table.

My feeling is that John McCain still needs some sort of external contingency to win the presidency. Even if some of the more conservative turnout models are correct AND even if he were to win large majorities of the undecided vote, he is probably a little bit too far behind to catch up. Rather, McCain will need to find some way to eat into some fraction of Obama's decided vote, and because most of Obama's support is quite hard (e.g. enthusiastic), that will not be easy to do.

--Nate Silver

Posted: Thursday, October 30, 2008 12:12 AM with 14 comment(s)

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Mormon Socialist said:

"John Zogby's divining rod."

I really don't want to go there.

October 30, 2008 12:35 AM

eliza409 said:

Dear Nate,

I love you!  I will sleep soundly tonight.

October 30, 2008 1:02 AM

fougasseu said:

I watched the Clinton "close" tonight. Well done. It hit me that McCain has suffered greatly by having no real talent in the GOP to draw on.

Obama has had great bench strength throughout: Hillary, Bill, Kerry, Biden, Gore, Ted and Caroline Kennedy, the list seems endless, and even Republicans like Powell, Arne Carlson, Bill Weld, and others have electrified audiences.

But who has really stepped up for McCain? Lindsay Graham? Lieberman? That crazed jerk named Rudy?

And who is the most visible supporter of John McCain? Sarah Palin.

There's a loneliness about McCain that is off-putting. Even in a large rally he seems alone. Even flanked by his wife he seems alone. I think America has come to see McCain as more Nixon than Reagan: Smart, stubborn, willful, wary of criticism, a bit of a bully. Who needs it?

October 30, 2008 1:17 AM

willpastor said:

You know, I saw Drudge earlier tonight and thought "huh, no mention of Zogby." And whatya know, Zogby shows Obama up by 7.

On November 5 I anticipate "Obama loses Portuguese hit man vote . . .  Developing"

October 30, 2008 1:41 AM

frilz1 said:

What political currency will the likes of Drudge, Limbaugh, and the entire Fox News enterprise have after the Dems sweep away the decrepitude of the GOP next Tuesday? Will they just be there to act as a megaphone for all the rightwing losers out there who are crying in their beer? Somebody please tell me.

October 30, 2008 3:43 AM

fougasseu said:

People don't tune it to FOX or Talk Radio to learn or be persuaded, they tune in for affirmation. It's a giant pep rally for reactionaries and nativists, men and women who hate what America has become, a multicultural mess that's going to play a central role in saving the world -  or lead the way in destroying it.

But these right wingers don't want to get their hands dirty. They think listening to demagogues, for hours, every day, is citizenship. Our problems are never of their making - they're so strongly committed to a fictional past that the idea of actually doing something, anything, is terrifying.

Limbaugh, the wizard behind the curtain, isn't going away. There's a lot of money to be made as the mouthpiece for people who are jacked up on resentment and despair.

October 30, 2008 6:32 AM

cspencef said:

Late?  It's not like the World Series half-game took that long...or was it that turn on Olbermann's show?  Anyway, what the heck happened in New Hampshire?  Those are wacky numbers for a state that was supposed to be in the tank for McCain.  Guess when you lose your maverickness those live-free-or-die folks aren't so willing to forgive.  And even if McCain has halted Obama's progress in FL or NC, Obama still reads as up (at least according to these polls) for the moment, which suggests McCain still has work to do.  Still, no celebrating yet.

October 30, 2008 11:30 AM

Rhubarbs said:

If Obama wins, when will we know it? A little backstory. On Election Night 2004, at the Democrats Abroad headquarters in Amsterdam, I had in mind a pretty firm margin by which Kerry needed to win Pennsylvania in order for his national numbers to be high enough. Pennsylvania came in far closer than I felt Kerry needed to win -- if his lead in Pennsylvania was that slim, I didn't see him winning a bunch of other states he would need, including Ohio, and he didn't win them -- and right there I was pretty sure Bush had won the election.

My pet theory is that if Obama wins Pennsylvania and Virginia, that will be the moment when we can be confident in a victory. (Because Pennsylvania reports an hour earlier than Florida.) If McCain wins Pennsylvania, all bets are off. But the rest of y'all are smarter than me, so what are the early triggers you'll be looking for on Election Night?

October 30, 2008 12:18 PM

icarusr said:

CS:

Agree: no counting the chickens yet; not until Obama is sworn in.  And yes, I am that suspicious of POWPOW's sense of entitlement and the Supreme Court's bias - I'm not even a conspiracy theorist, and that's the scary part.

Foug:

For the first time (and I mean since the 1988 Convention), watching Clinton last night I realised what magic he has.  It was awesome.  Rhetoric in its best sense.  And there appeared to be genuine warmth between the two.  I hope Clinton spends more time on the stump in the coming five days.

And you want to know how delusional right wingers can get?  A colleague (otherwise highly intelligent and educated) was telling me this morning that "Independents" will be pissed off by the Obamomercial of last night because it bumped the World Series by half an hour.  He's a McCainiac and therefore, by definition, lacking in judgement; but really, this was just too much wishful thinking.

October 30, 2008 12:29 PM

icarusr said:

Rhubs: Pennsylvania by 10 and/or Virginia by 8, he's got it in the bag.  Average of 20 points in NH, though - crazy ass numbers. IF they hold, that too would be a pretty convincing sign.

Of course, there's also Tep and Macombe County ...

October 30, 2008 12:33 PM

dinobot said:

McNasty only up by 2 in AZ.

What's up with THAT?

October 30, 2008 1:14 PM

cspencef said:

That is, dinobot, a very good question.  I know it is largely irrelevant to the final result--if McCain loses AZ he lost the election well before that.  But still, what the...?

October 30, 2008 2:05 PM

cspencef said:

icarus, I don't really plan to celebrate until Obama has been in office for a couple of weeks, just to be very, very sure.  I also saw the Clinton/Obama shindig last night; Bill was on his game more than he has been yet this campaign, and Obama threw some elbows himself, even one at the nauseatingly ubiquitous Joe the Plumber ("most plumbers make less than a quarter million").  

Actually, now that I see that in print, it makes me realize that most of his references to the no-tax-increase ceiling were phrased that way, "quarter million," than the usual $250,000.  Good rhetorical move.  Anything with a million in it sounds "richer" than phrasing it in thousands.  A man who knows how to use words, a joy to behold after eight long years of word-hackery.

October 30, 2008 2:10 PM

frilz1 said:

Rhubarbs, Virginia & North Carolina both close their polls at 7pm, so its conceivable that the national race could be over at 7:01pm, 4:01 on the West Coast, if they call both of these critical swing states a win for Obama. In that kind of event you won't even have to wait for Penn., as McCain will be burnt toast.

October 30, 2008 3:14 PM