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TODAY'S STORIES
09.10.2008
Today's Polls: West Virginia?

The idea of Barack Obama winning North Carolina or perhaps Indiana, I think we have gotten accustomed to. But Obama winning ... West Virginia, a state where he got barely a quarter of the vote in the Democratic primary?

That's what American Research Group says; in fact, it gives Obama a rather large, 8-point lead in the Mountaineer State. I'd have to say that I'm very, very skeptical of this one until I see it confirmed by another polling agency; this is exactly the sort of quirky result that ARG is (in)famous for.

Nevertheless, if Obama has a double-digit lead in Pennsylvania -- and all of the polls seem to think that he does -- that means he's had to have made at least some progress in the "Pennsyltucky" region in the interior of the state. And if he's made progress in Pennsyltucky, that probably means he's made progress in West Virginia. West Virginia -- like Pennsylvania -- is also a place where the Democrats retain a substantial edge in party identification, and perhaps the economy has really brought Democrats home. Indeed, for the past week or so, just about every poll taken in a Kerry state has shown Obama with a double-digit lead, with the minor exception of Minnesota, where the polling has been erratic.

In any event, there might be some merit in Obama paying a visit to West Virginia -- not because it's quite moved to the point where it's a swing state but because I think the symbolism of all of it would get him a lot of earned media.

Here are the rest of the numbers:



Obama slightly improved his position in the tracking polls today -- incorporating one full day of interviewing after the Nashville debate -- although most of that is the Diageo/Hotline poll having snapped back to Obama +6 after showing him ahead by just 1 yesterday. (You should continue to give top priority the Gallup and Rasmussen tracking polls as their large sample sizes make them less prone to this sort of result). We'll want to wait until the weekend before we can more fully evaluate the effects of the debate.

--Nate Silver

Posted: Thursday, October 09, 2008 2:27 PM with 7 comment(s)

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blackton said:

yeah, I saw some Repug trumping that one poll yesterday as though it were the absolute truth. pretty sad.

the interesting thing I see is how much McCain is thumping Obama in the really red states like Alabama or Oklahoma. This is artificially inflating McCain's national average so I imagine a lot of Democrats might get a little nervous looking at the National numbers. Let McCain run up his numbers in Oklahoma, it makes not a damn bit of difference and only makes Dems more motivated in the other states.

October 9, 2008 3:07 PM

thejauntyboulevardier said:

If West Virginia goes Blue, The Mummy is screwed every which way...

October 9, 2008 3:20 PM

prnoonan said:

The knock on ARG is how they allocate by party, right?  This poll has Obama winning Ds 78-20.  Forget the other numbers.  If that's even remotely close, he's in outstanding shape in WV.  I figured he'd be lucky to win Ds 2:1 there.  If he wins 3:1, he carries the state.

October 9, 2008 3:26 PM

satyendra said:

Hi PRNoonan, I had responded to one of your comments on the David Brooks thread, but it appears that thread is now dead.  I wanted to say I appreciated your comment about these right-wing commenters just wanting to pick a winner without really believing in anything.

Because you mentioned Peggy Noonan in that context, I couldn't help noticing, your initials are also PRNoonan, but I assume that's just a coincidence?

October 9, 2008 3:49 PM

JEFF FREY said:

"I couldn't help noticing, your initials are also PRNoonan, but I assume that's just a coincidence?"

And if not a coincidence, congratulations on coming over from the Dark Side!

October 9, 2008 4:35 PM

cspencef said:

Yeah, I will take this one with the appropriate grain (yea, even shakerful) of salt.  And as thejauntyone puts it, a WV win means the issue has been decided well in advance.

October 9, 2008 4:39 PM

harriscrl3 said:

I notice that the polls in states that were solid McCain are tightening up. Even Montana he is done by 5 in the latest poll after being down by as much as 17. The governor of NC mentioned that this election instead of the Bradely effect we may see the reverse Bradley effect where folks who say the would never vote for obama because he is black might change their mind when they realize how dire their economic situation is.

Carol

October 10, 2008 8:49 AM