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08.10.2008
The Future of The GOP, Minus Its All-Stars

Kevin Drum's smart post on the factional warfare that is sure to break out if McCain loses got me thinking about another problem that will face the GOP in the event of an Obama victory. Since, let's say, 2001, the Republican Party has been blessed with a number of extremely popular figures who appear every four years at the GOP convention, dominate the Sunday talk shows, and often run for president. I would include in this category John McCain, who has been America's most popular senator for most of the decade; Rudy Giuliani, "America's mayor" and the country's most visible human symbol of 9/11; Colin Powell, still the country's most popular public figure; Condi Rice; Arnold Schwarzenegger; and even Jeb Bush, who spent two terms as the respected and well-liked governor of the country's most "important" state.

It is hard to think of a comparable list of Democratic politicians who have attained such stature in the public mind. Al Gore, over the past five years, is perhaps the closest comparison, but his approval ratings were never (and are not currently) particularly lotfy. Bill Clinton is (was?) an admired ex-president, but that title--by definition--put him at a certain remove from the current political scene. Teddy Kennedy and Hillary Clinton both have universal name recogntion, but neither one has ever been tremendously popular with a broad swath of the electorate. 

But back to the GOP. Look at that list--and then consider what the state of affairs will be if Obama takes the oath of office on January 20. McCain will be a losing presidential candidate, and one who is rapidly advancing in age. Rudy Giuliani has become somewhat of a punchline (if for no other reason than that he ran one of the worst primary campaigns of the modern era). Colin Powell retains a certain cachet, but is hardly identified as a Republican anymore; it even seems worth asking whether he presently identifies himself as one. Condi Rice remains inexplicably popular, but the stain of Bush will not wear off easily. Regardless, it is hard to envision much of a political future for her. Arnold has enraged much of the California GOP, and probably will not run for the senate; it is more likely that he would serve in an Obama administration. And then there is Jeb, who remains a compelling figure but is (probably) permanently stigmatized because of his last name (although it would be interesting to see him try and capture the GOP nomination in four years).

So where does that leave the party? Well, there is Mike Huckabee, there is Mitt Romney, there is Sarah Palin, and there is an ever-dwindling supply of senators and governors. It goes without saying that a political party is defined by more than its five or ten brightest stars, but all these figures were tremendously helpful to the Republican Party throughout this decade, and for various reasons they will all be sidelined. Should McCain lose, this is simply another problem for the GOP.

--Isaac Chotiner 

Posted: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 7:16 PM with 26 comment(s)

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FWright said:

Can we table this conversation for four weeks?  Please?

October 8, 2008 7:46 PM

ackyri said:

The conservative base still hangs onto Fred Thompson's every move.

October 8, 2008 7:55 PM

thejauntyboulevardier said:

well, at least they still have Reagan's memory...it will be the brightest spot at the 2012 convention...

October 8, 2008 8:18 PM

fougasseu said:

It will all redound to the patient Jeb Bush.

October 8, 2008 8:20 PM

ndmackenzie said:

Isaac Chotiner writes:

-- Arnold has enraged much of the California GOP, and probably will not run for the senate; it is more likely that he would serve in an Obama administration.

And why would he serve in an Obama Administration? Is he still even Governor of California? The impression I have is that after being chastened by his poll defeats a couple of years ago Arnold got bored of politics and has little interest anymore.

October 8, 2008 8:32 PM

ramboorider said:

How about Newt? He's still popping up on the talk shows and will probably run in 2012, no? I don't like the guy, but he's always got plenty to say, occasionally he even comes out with something interesting and worth considering.

October 8, 2008 8:34 PM

blackton said:

Jindal, Pawlenty, Crist, come on, there are a number of Republicans who are conceivably the future. Jindal is only 36, Pawlenty is young as well. Crist's only problem is that he is getting married late, but better late than never. And of course, in 2004 before the convention who the hell in the world could have even conceived of an utterly unknown black state senator by the unlikely name of Barack Hussein Obama being President in 4 short years. In short, there might be a few tremendous unknowns in the Republican party, or even just one (that is all that is necessary) Someone who in 2016 will be referred to as the "white" Obama, in terms of political gifts.

October 8, 2008 8:47 PM

fougasseu said:

They love looking to the past, perhaps they'll go backwards, past the internet, past TV, to radio. Maybe the future belongs to those tireless and creepily chipper guys on Talk Radio. Maybe the future belongs to Sean Hannity.

October 8, 2008 8:56 PM

timteeter said:

This has, in fact, been one of my biggest disappointments in McCain--he has failed to help raise a new generation of Republican party leadership by his choice of VP.  Like it or not, we have a two party system in this country, and we all, Democrat and Republican, will be ill served by party dominated by the Sarah Palins of this world.  Had McCain picked someone like Pawlenty, well sure, he would have been boring, but he would have helped create a Republican party that is not so beholden to its wingnuts and could, in a few years, have a chance at power without causing the rest of us to shudder.

October 8, 2008 10:31 PM

JEFF FREY said:

But the Republican party now truly is dominated by its wingnuts, and that trend has been increasing over the years. McCain is something of a throwback exception, but remember the Replublican primaries? It was almost non-stop pandering to the wingnuts. Why else was Mitt Romney promising to double Guantanamo*? Why else was McCain pandering to the religious right and courting the endorsement of the likes of Pastor Hagee (as Wright comes back into the race, let's not forget the crazy pastor McCain actually asked for the endorsement from). The McCain-Palin's present strategy of labeling their opponent not just as unpatriotic but actually a terrorist sympathizer is just taking the wingnuttery to its logical conclusion.

* A double Guantanamo would be a great name for a drink.

October 8, 2008 10:54 PM

sullydog said:

Jindal.

October 8, 2008 11:12 PM

icarusr said:

I think you guys are missing the point here.  It is not so much whether there are warm bodies that could argue for the Republican Party - yes, there is Jindal who is a creationist and engages in exorcism, for example - but whether the Republican Party has any ideas left.  This is what Brooks was arguing and, for all his inanities, he was making sense there.  

That streak of anti-intellectualism is what will doom the Republican Party.  You want to know how bad it gets?

"The National Review's Mark Stein, for example, said that Obama prefers the "exotic pronunciation." He added, "[O]ne thing I like about Sarah Palin is the way she says 'Eye-raq'."

This came after the National Review's Kathryn Jean Lopez posted an email that argued, "[N]o one in flyover country says Pock-i-stahn. It's annoying.""

Now, to correctly pronounce a country's name is "exotic" and "annoying".  This is a Party that does not deserve to exist any more; it should dissolve itself and reinvent itself anew.

October 9, 2008 12:14 AM

arsonplus said:

Post Obama won't the Democratic party kind of have the same problem?

October 9, 2008 4:23 AM

timteeter said:

"Post Obama won't the Democratic party kind of have the same problem?"

That depends on whom Obama chooses as his running mate in 2012.  Don't be surprised is Biden chooses to become secretary of state in a second Obama term rather than VP again.  He's too old to run for President in 2012.

October 9, 2008 8:04 AM

lesserliz said:

Look it's like when the police sweep the streets and arrest all the drug dealers-next day it's still business as usual with new faces.

October 9, 2008 9:06 AM

icarusr said:

And this, by the Pennsylvanian Repug leader who introduced McCain:

"Think about how you'll feel on Nov. 5 if you see the news that Barack Obama—Barack Hussein Obama—is president of the United States."

POWPOW distanced himself from the comments - AFTER he left the event.  

There, the US is in economic meltdown and this clown is worried about "Hussein"; no more ideas left.

October 9, 2008 9:12 AM

hueylong said:

"Colin Powell, still the country's most popular public figure" ?!

Even if you intended to add some qualifying adjective to this description, it's still wrong.

October 9, 2008 9:16 AM

ackyri said:

How about "most popular public retired military figure"?

October 9, 2008 11:23 AM

butchie b said:

As Blackie notes, there are plenty of governors/senators around, and you only need one.  My own favorite is Jeb Bush, a two-term Governor of a large, complex state who left office with approval ratings in the 60s.

As noted, his problem is his name, and also that his family has had troubles in the spotlight.  Not sure he wants it enough.  But he's more qualified than the two we will vote on now, and smarter than the Current Occupant.

Failing Jeb, Jindal.

October 9, 2008 11:35 AM

zardoz67 said:

I believe the Bush name is going to be toxic in American politics for at least a generation.  

As for Jindal, do you really think he'll have any traction in national politics the more this exorcism story spreads?  That's out of the religious comfort zone for most Americans.

October 9, 2008 2:33 PM

RRB52 said:

    I agree with others that Jeb Bush, Jindal, Crist and Pawlenty would be viable candidates for the republican nomination in 2012, and that other senators/governors might also be worthy of consideration at that time.  But surely the republican field would be lacking without Sarah Palin, who would bring incredible entertainment value to the republican primaries.  And since she appears to be totally oblivious to her own shortcomings, as are many republicans, I think it is likely she'll run.  If I were a betting man, however, I'd bet on Romney.

October 9, 2008 4:14 PM

mundye said:

blackie,

Crist is getting married?  Since when?  I thought he was of the "confirmed bachelor" type like Lindsey Graham and that was what precluded any elevation in the Republican party.  It's amazing what some people will do in the name of political advancement.

October 9, 2008 4:21 PM

cspencef said:

My question is, is Crist still getting hitched now that he's been passed over for veep?

October 9, 2008 4:57 PM

mundye said:

Eh, I'm not buying this theory.  I remember reading a number of articles describing the end/death of the Republican Party's "Big Tent" and its grim prospects immediately after the 1992 election, how'd that work out?

You're definitely going to get an angrier, more conservative Republican party in the wake of this election, it may finally drive people like Collins and Snow out, but it ain't going anywhere.

October 9, 2008 5:03 PM

butchie b said:

mundye - It's true.  In December, I think.  Some Miami rich woman.  Gotta get ready for 2012.  We'll elect a black and a woman before a single person even runs.  Charlie is sacrificing his bachelerhood for the good of the country.

October 9, 2008 5:05 PM

mundye said:

Butchie,

I guess that means if we see Graham get engaged anytime soon it will be the equivalent of forming an presidential exploration committee?

October 9, 2008 5:33 PM