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COLUMNISTS
TODAY'S STORIES
06.10.2008
McCain and the Iraq Undertow

I watched last week’s debate between vice presidential candidates Joe Biden and Sarah Palin on CNN, where they show you the audience reaction among a group of undecided voters to what the candidates are saying. I was surprised to see that every time Palin attacked Barack Obama for being insufficiently militant in his policies toward Iraq or Iran or in Afghanistan, the needle of opinion turned sharply negative. That suggests to me that a paradox is at work: while the public has become more supportive of the surge in Iraq, and still narrowly believes that John McCain would be better at handling the war, McCain’s support for the war and for “victory” in Iraq is hurting not helping his campaign.

I know it doesn’t show up directly in the polls, but that may be because the polls don’t ask the right questions. You could see something similar happening in the 1992 election between George H.W. Bush and Bill Clinton. The elder Bush, unlike his son, had a glowing record in foreign policy. He had, after all, engineered the ouster of Saddam Hussein from in the Gulf War. His popularity had shot up afterwards, and Bush (like McCain this year) staked his claim for presidency on his experience in foreign policy and his opponent’s lack of experience. But the ploy backfired.

In 1991, soon after the war’s conclusion, the economy began turning downward, just as it began to do this year. Voters didn’t just begin worrying about the economy. They began to question whether in trumpeting his foreign policy claims, the elder Bush was not too concerned with foreign policy and insufficiently concerned with what was going to inside the United States. That was dramatized by Bush’s ignorance of what groceries cost.

In September 1991, columnist and former Reagan administration official Pat Buchanan, who would later challenge Bush in the primaries, put this question about Bush’s priorities into words in an op-ed for the Washington Post. Wrote Buchanan, “The incivility and brutality of our cities, the fading away of the Reagan Boom, the rise of ethnic hatred, are concentrating the minds of Americans on their own society. What doth it profit a nation if it gain the whole world, and lose its own soul?” In the general election, independent candidate Ross Perot would pose a similar question to Bush. Clinton, who did not want to get mixed up in a debate about foreign policy and probably didn't share the neo-isolation inclination of the question, stayed out of the fray. He allowed Buchanan and then Perot to do the damage for him.

I thought that in this election, Obama needed the equivalent of Buchanan and Perot to question whether McCain was so concerned with “gaining the whole world,” that he was going to allow the country to go to hell – or worse, that he would involve the country in entirely new wars of choice. Ron Paul did raise these kind of questions during the Republican primary. But Obama, like in 1992, has not actively encouraged them. Maybe, though, he hasn’t had to. The financial panic – and McCain’s palsied reaction to it – has probably done the damage this time. The polls don’t show it, but I believe that every time McCain starts attacking Obama for not pursuing victory in Iraq or being unwilling to test the surge in Afghanistan, or for being willing to undertake diplomacy with Iran, he may be losing votes -- not among the so-called Bush diehard Republicans, who are already committed, but among those independent and uncommitted voters he needs to woo.

--John B. Judis

Posted: Monday, October 06, 2008 2:45 PM with 15 comment(s)

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jacobt1 said:

n my description of my first meeting with Colonel Abbas, I had quoted his gratitude to American soldiers (whom he always calls his “brothers”) and to their commander in chief, President Bush (”the hero man of the world”), for liberating his country from a monstrous tyrant who had killed two members of his family. Today I’d like to quote his response to suggestions that Iraq would be better off if U.S. troops withdraw soon–a suggestion made not only by many American politicians but also by some of their Iraqi counterparts, at least in public:

Anyone who asks American soldiers to leave Iraq is an agent of Al Qaeda, Iran, or the militias. His agenda is not a pro-Iraq agenda. It is some other country’s agenda. Anyone who supports this plan wants Iran to control Iraq and the Persian Gulf. . . . It will be a big mistake if your soldiers leave Iraq. We will be like Lebanon. American troops should be here a long time.

If Americans leave Iraq I will have to leave with my entire family. I will be killed. I can’t stay here. . . . We need you to stay here at least 20 years before we can protect ourselves against Iran and other countries.

www.commentarymagazine.com/.../contentions

October 6, 2008 3:41 PM

jacobt1 said:

John,

Are you a patriot of this country or an  agent of Al Qaeda, Iran, or the militias.

October 6, 2008 3:43 PM

JEFF FREY said:

More than anything else, Jacob's cut and paste again illustrates the lunacy of Bush's original decision to invade Iraq.

Remember that John McCain thought we would be in and out like a sailor on leave in Rio, greeted like liberators and fondly remembered like a coconut dessert. Bush had to sell his war not only on distorted "intelligence", but also on denial of the risks of long-term commitment. McCain and the Republicans went along with this eagerly. It is an eternal blot on their judgement.

I think many voters get this, on some level.

October 6, 2008 4:09 PM

jacobt1 said:

McCain, Republicans and all Democratic leadership including Biden, Kerry and Clinton went along with this .

October 6, 2008 4:15 PM

tomhilliard said:

Oh, I'll bite. Prime Minister of Iraq Nuri al-Maliki has endorsed Obama's timetable for leaving Iraq. Is he an agent of Al Qaeda, Iran or the militias? Actually, it doesn't matter. He's the elected leader of Iraq, and he would like to set a departure timetable for U.S. forces. If Obama is really a stooge for destabilizing forces, someone really should have told Maliki that before he went and spoke to Der Spiegel.  

For what it's worth, I agree with John Judis. Once Obama clears the threshold of credibility as a Commander-in-Chief, voters don't really want to hear more about his foreign policy plans - or McCain's, for that matter. They want to know how he's going to stabilize our economy.

But let the record show: in my opinion, Judis must be an agent of al Qaeda. He seems to be a Democrat, which is almost the same thing anyway. Keep an eye on that guy...

October 6, 2008 4:17 PM

jacobt1 said:

tomhilliard  said:,

Please, Obama  has NOT endorsed Obama's timetable for leaving Iraq.

Obama is not talking about leaving Iraq.  He is only talking about  withdrawing combat brigades

and leave residual force 50-70K that will be a sitting duck killed by resurgent Al Qaeda, Iran or the militias.

October 6, 2008 4:33 PM

icarusr said:

"John,

Are you a patriot of this country or an  agent of Al Qaeda, Iran, or the militias."

Jacon,

Are you a patriot of this country or an  agent of Al Qaeda, Iran, or the militias.

(This is too easy.  Jacon, you gotta give me better material thanks this.)

"McCain, Republicans and all Democratic leadership including Biden, Kerry and Clinton went along with this ."

McCain, Republicans and all Democratic leadership including Biden, Kerry and Clinton went along with a migsuided policy driven by lies, corruption and secrecy and it's a good thing that at the top of the Democratic ticket there is someone with better sense.

October 6, 2008 4:38 PM

jacobt1 said:

That at the top of the Democratic ticket there is someone with better sense not be be in senate when had to vote.

October 6, 2008 5:04 PM

ironyroad said:

but jacob, ticket someone that the senate votes to had sense not to Democratic better!

October 6, 2008 5:25 PM

jacobt1 said:

ironyroad,

You have a good point. I see why you vote for Obama.

October 6, 2008 5:35 PM

blackton said:

jacob, you are a racist, anti-semitic troll, you are also a coward and a miscreant. You have claimed all blacks are stupid, and launched a hatefilled anti-semitic screed against Marty Peretz. You, pig, are a disgrace.

McCain, of course, views Iraq as his chance to do Vietnam right (finally) and is more interested in Iraq than in America.

October 6, 2008 6:11 PM

JEFF FREY said:

Actually, he sounds more like Palin in that post. Did he wink while typing it?

October 6, 2008 6:18 PM

jacobt1 said:

It’s really moving to read real courage where one’s life and that of his family is at stake as opposed to what many of us in the West consider courage (standing up to Evangelicals, protesting in front of whatever, writing blog posts, engaging in hateful political acts like getting Palin dis-invited from a political rally, being against smoking, etc.).

When I read about men like the Colonel I realize how completely sheltered I and my family are thanks to what they do.

www.commentarymagazine.com/.../35752

October 6, 2008 6:52 PM

blackton said:

jacob, you are a racist and anti-semitic little troll. And you are a coward, the fact that you have not joined the military (not that even today they would want a brain dead idiot like you) is a testament to how pathetic you truly are.

You cutting and pasting is evidence of how big a loser you really are. Do you even have a job or a girlfriend, anything besides trying to provoke responses here?

As to me, outing racist trolls like you gives me pleasure since you are incapable of intelligent response.

October 6, 2008 8:36 PM

icarusr said:

blackie - leave the trollgorithm ...

October 6, 2008 11:05 PM