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02.10.2008
The Real Reason American Authors Don't Win Nobels

The Nobel Prize committee's top member and permanent secretary, Horace Engdahl, told the Associated Press Tuesday that American literature can't compete with the rest of the world: "The U.S. is too isolated, too insular. They don't translate enough and don't really participate in the big dialogue of literature. ... That ignorance is restraining."

The reaction in the U.S. has been to accuse the Nobel committee of either an anti-American bias, which the A.P. report suggests, or of simple ignorance.

"Such a comment makes me think that Mr. Engdahl has read little of American literature outside the mainstream and has a very narrow view of what constitutes literature in this age," said Harold Augenbraum, who heads the National Book Awards. "I'll send him a reading list."

But there's another explanation for the paucity of American Nobel winners. The committee doesn't oppose Americans--they oppose postmodernism, which has dominated American literature since the 1960s. This would explain the exclusion of not just Americans, but of prominent non-American postmodernists like Salman Rushdie and Umberto Eco. It would also partly explain Engdahl's statement: Anyone can see that the U.S. participates in a "big dialogue of literature"--the issue is that it isn't a dialogue he thinks is worthwhile.

After all, the American authors who have been denied the prize have something far more significant than their nationality in common: Thomas Pynchon, Philip Roth, Don DeLillo, and William Burroughs are all leading figures in the postmodern tradition. Postmodernism has been central to American literature for decades. David Foster Wallace, whose death last month at age 46 rocked the literary world, could not have been more postmodern.

The only exception to the Nobel committee's apparent embargo on postmodernism has been the Turkish writer Orham Pamuk, who won in 2006. However, Pamuk, who writes politically-charged novels about his country's history of government and social oppression, may have won despite his postmodern style rather than because of it. Most of the recent laureates have written politically-oriented fiction protesting their oppressive, non-Western societies: Doris Lessing from Zimbabwe, Gao Xingjian from China and V.S. Naipaul from Trinidad, for example.

Why does the Nobel committee reject postmodern literature? Is it because postmodernism is somehow intrinsically, almost uniquely American, and simply does not resonant with readers in Europe? Or is the answer political. Postmodernist works are rarely political, owing to their treatment of objectivity and truth as a falsehood. Postmodernists typically don't attack or defend any political or social ideologies--they reject the entire premise. Whatever its virtues, the Nobel committee's clear preoccupation with politically-oriented literature stands in the way of recognizing postmodernist authors.  

--Max Fisher

Posted: Thursday, October 02, 2008 2:39 PM with 17 comment(s)

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colablease said:

Alfred Nobel specified in his will that the Literature prize be awarded for "the most outstanding work of an idealistic tendency."  Given that "idealism" is one of those concepts about which postmodernists tend to be skeptical [even though I certainly see some "idealistic tendencies" quietly present in the work of some of the authors you cite], might this explain a lot?  Nabokov and Joyce never won, either.

October 2, 2008 2:59 PM

ethelfrog3 said:

Beckett won, though that was 1969...

October 2, 2008 3:23 PM

ndmackenzie said:

Beckett

October 2, 2008 3:26 PM

mlcarr said:

Then again, neither did Proust. I can certainly buy the notion that the committee dislikes postmodernism, though I'm not sure the fiction of Lessing is too far from that field, or that Roth is clearly in it (and one could argue for including Grass as well, and some of Coetzee). Setting that aside, there are so many great American writers who are not at all postmodernists. Including those who died recently (and so could have gotten it until recently), we have Arthur Miller, Susan Sontag, John Updike, John Ashbery, Charles Simic, Joyce Carol Oates ...

October 2, 2008 3:28 PM

ackyri said:

Postmodernism is horseshit. Good for the Nobel folks rejecting it.

October 2, 2008 3:28 PM

Androscoggin said:

Questions from someone who reads books but knows nothing about literary theory:

Which notable novelists of the last several decades are non- or anti-postmodern?  What are the alternative or competing literary "schools"?  What did postmodernism replace?  (Modernism, obviously, but what defined modernism?  T.S. Eliot is considered a modernist, right?  For that matter, what did modernism replace?)  

What makes Roth, e.g., a post-modernist?  Bellow won the Nobel Prize; is he considered a postmodernist?  Is Faulkner considered postmodern?  Why or why not?  How is postmodernism in literature related to postmodernism in philosophy and visual art?  (I know The New Criterion and Clement Greenberg are "modernist" -- but I don't really know what that means. And what do you call someone who doesn't even like modern art, let alone postmodern art?)

Also, is postmodernism necessarily apolitical?  I know Chomsky doesn't like postmodernism, but aren't a lot of postmodernists ardent leftists?  Derrida and De Man are considered postmodernists, right?  Does that mean deconstruction is postmodernist?  "Theory" generally?

I don't actually expect anyone to answer these questions, though I'd love it if someone took a shot.  These are just things that occur to me whenever the word "postmodern" is thrown around with regard to literature.  I love novels, but the taxonomy and theory has always gone over my head.

October 2, 2008 3:31 PM

Androscoggin said:

I like this quote from Remnick:

"You would think that the permanent secretary of an academy that pretends to wisdom but has historically overlooked Proust, Joyce, and Nabokov, to name just a few non-Nobelists, would spare us the categorical lectures.  And if he looked harder at the American scene that he dwells on, he would see the vitality in the generation of Roth, Updike, and DeLillo, as well as in many younger writers, some of them sons and daughters of immigrants writing in their adopted English. None of these poor souls, old or young, seem ravaged by the horrors of Coca-Cola."

Zing.

October 2, 2008 3:33 PM

baxterjones said:

So give the next Nobel to Updike, who would deserve it for his short stories alone. Add his best novels and criticism, and it's just embarrassing for the Nobel committee to have waited this long.

I don't think of Updike, or Roth, as essentially "postmodern", in the sense that Pynchon or DeLillo are. Maybe it depends on which books one has read by which authors.

The American writers I think of as deserving of the Nobel are Roth, Updike, and Mamet, although the latter would probably say "F%#* the Nobel!" Any suggestions on poets?

October 2, 2008 3:36 PM

Rhubarbs said:

I have a simpler explanation: Europeans don't read American literature. When I lived in Europe earlier this decade, I would sometimes be asked, or even kidded, about Americans' famous ignorance about the rest of the world. To which I would often respond with questions such as, "What is the capital of Oregon?" or, "What states share the Colorado River?" As ignorant as most Americans are about European politics and culture, Europeans are almost as ignorant of American politics and culture, except inasmuch as they do tend to follow (but not understand) presidential politics and watch American film and TV.

There's just not that much engagement with American literary culture on the Continent. And why would there be? They have a wealth of important national literatures to deal with right there, including great English work in Britain and Ireland. But it's foolish to mistake one's own insularity for the insularity of the national literature one doesn't bother to read.

But I do believe that Fisher is right: There will be no Nobel for Pynchon. Alas.

October 2, 2008 3:50 PM

ironyroad said:

The 1993 prize went to Toni Morrison, who I think could reasonably be described as postmodernist ("Beloved" is a sort of postmodernist take on Faulkner modernism).  Neverthless I'm inclined to agree with Max Fisher's comment on Pamuk, and suggest that Morrison won more in spite of than because of her literary style and teqnique.  I also think Elfriede Jelinek, the 2004 (?) winner, is as postmodern as all get out, so I fail to grasp Engdahl's comment.  And she is also as far away from "idealism" as you could get.  So go figure.

That said, I think this postmodernism thing in respect of American authors is a red herring, as a number of major figures have been on the scene since Bellow in 1976 who are distinctly un-postmodern, including Roth, Mailer, and Updike.  There's something else going on that I can't quite figure out.  Also, the comment that the U.S. doesn't translate enough is actually pretty groundless, as "enough" is so vague as to be have no meaning.  The translation map does tend to be tipped toward other countries translating us, however, rather than translation into English.  Often it requires something like a major international prize for a writer in a foreign language to be noticed here.

October 2, 2008 4:01 PM

Androscoggin said:

The Rabbit series alone might qualify Updike, too.

October 2, 2008 4:01 PM

ironyroad said:

Poets:  Gary Snyder

October 2, 2008 4:03 PM

baxterjones said:

Also, a look at Updike's criticism suggests he reads quite widely - hardly "insular".

October 2, 2008 4:33 PM

JosephCuomo said:

The argument that the Nobel committee has a bias against postmodernism isn't supported by the facts, especially given the list of writers who have won over the past ten years:

2007 - Doris Lessing

2006 - Orhan Pamuk

2005 - Harold Pinter

2004 - Elfriede Jelinek

2003 - J. M. Coetzee

2002 - Imre Kertész

2001 - V. S. Naipaul

2000 - Gao Xingjian

1999 - Günter Grass

1998 - José Saramago

It's quite reasonable to describe at least several of these authors as employing postmodernist techniques in their work.

As for Engdahl's claim that the U.S. does not translate enough, this is undeniably true. There is very littlie interest in this country in literature in translation. But to use this as an excuse not to select Americans for the Prize is simply absurd.

As for American poets deserving of a Nobel, I would point to one in particular: Marie Ponsot.

If you'd like to check out her work, take a look at "Springing: New & Selected Poems," which includes poems written between 1946 and 2002.

October 2, 2008 4:44 PM

singlespeed said:

Rhubarbs is partly right about the European ignorance regarding American culture outside of what they see either on TV, at the movies or spoon fed by media. Just as much as Americans are ignorant of European culture. I've found that much of the comments I receive from Europeans as well as other foreigners are usually based on misconceptions or perceptions. Especially if they've never visited America. This goes for Americans too.

As it relates to the Nobel for literature, I think it has as much to do with a willful ignorance of American literature - regardless of whether you think it's too postmodern or not in that they don't consider it "good enough". The claim of not enough of America's outstanding literature not being translated into the rainbow languages of the EU is a red herring. Go into any bookstore and you'll find equal amount of books in the native language as you do in English. I found this to be true in Germany and Spain. And usually translations lag behind the first run in English and vice-versa for foreign language books to the American market anyway.

The list of Nobel laureates is short on Americans period. But I think it has as much to do with the political aspects of not just the writer's work but the nominating committee at the time.

October 2, 2008 5:26 PM

guptatomic1 said:

Who is Max Fisher?  And what is this tiresome rot?  Roth is a postmodernist?  To my knowledge, he wrote one -somewhat- postmodern book in Operation Shylock -- I'm not making a value judgment, but postmodern?  Please.  He's in the business, as is Updike, of narrow, autobiographical fiction.  Now, Updike, good God, spare us from granting Updike a laureate -- he's known for some time he was out of the running, but even in having Beck win the award for him, he couldn't spare himself the cloying, over-the-top moment at the acceptance -- read the book.  I shudder to think what the real thing would have been.

Now, Naipaul bundled in as someone who writes about oppressive Western societies (w/ Doris freaking Lessing)????  My God, this is the worst kind of by-the-numbers, haven't read these people, have no idea what I'm talking about, but it sure sounds good posting.  I'll admit that Naipaul is in my pantheon -- Lessing is not, but I still resent the comment for her sake.  Naipaul is a misanthrope -- he writes against any and all societies -- his strength lies precisely in pointing out societal hypocrisies WHEREVER they may be.  I'm not sure how Trinidad becomes "non-Western."  I guess only if we mean "non-Western" in the sense of non-American/European.  This is PRECISELY the kind of close-mindedness the Nobel committee decries.  And Rushdie will win, eventually.  He's still young.

Look, I'm not saying what I've seen coming out of the rest of the world is so much better, but can we be honest for once?  Updike sucks, always has.  The only thing he knows how to write about are white people in New England -- anytime he strays it gets ugly, fast.  Pynchon sucks, always has.  DeLillo at least has a sense of humor that occasionally gives his cardboard caricatures a little life.  Don't get me started on JCO.  And Saint DFW -- I grant you that I enjoy his essays, but yes.  His fiction also sucked.

That's not to say that there isn't fine work being done, there aren't people out there who can one day aspire, but at the moment, the only person who should feel at all slighted in these comments is one Philip Roth -- he's the only serious contender we currently have.

October 2, 2008 8:36 PM

guptatomic1 said:

I should have said "the unfortunately named Max Fisher"  -- but I'm not sure it's so unfortunate, after all.

"I got punched in the face.  What's your excuse?"

www.youtube.com/watch

October 2, 2008 8:39 PM