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COLUMNISTS
TODAY'S STORIES
23.09.2008
A Debate About The Debates

Here's an interesting piece of reporting from the Wall Street Journal:

The first debate, on Friday, will be at the University of Mississippi in Oxford, where in 1962 the enrollment of James Meredith, its first African-American student, touched off a deadly riot. The debate commission had directed that this debate would cover domestic issues, but the two campaigns agreed to change it to foreign policy. Sen. McCain's advisers wanted to lead off with his strong suit, foreign policy. Sen. Obama's advisers wanted to have the last debate center on domestic issues, particularly the economy, which they believe will benefit their candidate. Also, some Obama advisers said they didn't want the issue of race "front and center" during a debate.

Easiest. Negotiation. Ever. Both campaigns thought that having the foreign policy debate first and the domestic policy debate last would help their cause. This was the reverse of how the Commission on Presidential Debates had set things up originally.

But of course, both campaigns can't be right.

There is little doubt that a discussion on foreign policy is playing to McCain's strengths. Even when Obama may be winning a foreign policy argument on points, it probably benefits McCain for foreign policy to be the subject of discussion, period, as it brings his experience, war heroism and purported readiness to the fore.

However, that's not really the question. We're going to have a foreign policy debate, and we're going to have a domestic policy debate. The question is whether McCain benefits by having the foreign policy debate first.

The first debate usually gets better ratings than the last debate. In the eight campaigns since 1960 in which there were multiple Presidential debates, the first debate had 60.7 million viewers on average, and the last had 56.3. This year, however, the first debate is on a Friday, which is moderately unusual. There were also Friday debates in 2004 and 1976, and two out of the four debates in 1960 were on a Friday. In each case, these were the lowest-rated debates of the cycle. So I'd expect this to be a wash.

Then there's the question of momentum versus expectations-setting. Clearly, it would benefit McCain to have a jolt of momentum right now -- he's had a rough week. And foreign policy presents him with the better opportunity to do that. On the other hand, let's recall 2004, when George W. Bush was completely awful in the first debate (which did produce some momentum for John Kerry) but then only somewhat awful in the second and third debates -- which the press was happy to call comebacks and wins for him since the first debate had so lowered their expectations.

If Obama does badly in the foreign policy debate, he'll get maybe 30 cents on the dollar back in terms of lowered expectations for the next two debates. On the other hand, if the foreign policy debate were the last debate, there would be no more debates left, and so Obama would have nowhere to cash in that change.

When push comes to shove, the equilibrium of this campaign favors Barack Obama by a couple of points. McCain's goal is to knock the campaign off equilibrium for just long enough that one of these periods coincides with November 4. It would be easier for him to do that if the foreign policy debate, in which Obama is more likely to stumble, were held last. Conversely, a bad performance on Friday would leave Obama with two debates and 40 days to recover, and a media that will probably be happy to help him along. So, I'm giving Steve Schmidt an error on this one. Somewhat true to form, it's a decision focused on winning McCain the battle rather than the war.

--Nate Silver 

Posted: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 12:32 AM with 12 comment(s)

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aeromonas said:

Man, the homepage headline writers on this site are the biggest fibbers of all.

"Who Has the Edge in the Debates," is how he/she tagged this post.  Did she/he even read it?

September 23, 2008 7:05 AM

aeromonas said:

Man, the homepage headline writers on this site are the biggest fibbers of all.

"Who Has the Edge in the Debates," is how he/she tagged this post.  Did she/he even read it?

September 23, 2008 7:05 AM

Wandreycer1 said:

We all have our strengths and weaknesses and Obama's weakness is debates - big advantage McCain, despite the fact that he speaks in tired boilerplate and knows very little about anything.

BTW - did you know McCain was a POW?

September 23, 2008 7:59 AM

icarusr said:

Purely out of curiosity, what exactly is "his experience" in foreign policy?  I mean, I know he was a POW, but so what?  Anything else, other than his bombastic rhetoric that, according to George Will, replaces "vehemence for coherence"?

September 23, 2008 8:00 AM

Wandreycer1 said:

Makes me remember how brilliant Bill C was at debates - he seemed to be having fun, jusr reveling in it all.  Obama looks like he's taking his final oral exam from an advisor he is afraid of.

September 23, 2008 8:01 AM

MajMike said:

My Dad was there in '62 with the MS National Guard, I was there in '82/'83 when the Rebel flag was banned (from use by official school folks) and am an alumnus (MBA, '88).  

I love Ole Miss and was happy to see them hosting a Presidential debate, but am scared shitless than some damn redneck (I is/was one, so can talk about them) will choose that place to attack Obama.  I don't want to see my school as a national disgrace which would happen should Obama be attacked while there.

Please God let this be me worrying about nothing, let the debate happen in safety.

September 23, 2008 9:34 AM

Lyn39 said:

I, too, am going to be squirming during the debate, wishing and hoping that McCain deals no fatal blow.  I think I'm in the minority in that I appreciate that Obama actually thinks before he speaks and tends to discuss issues in a larger context rather than spewing quick snappy answers.  But quick and snappy seems to be the candy that most crave.  

The McCain POW = foreign policy strength irritates the hell out of me.  That's almost the equivalent of saying that a former psychiatric patient is best suited to run the asylum.

I am not dismissing his POW status, but I do question how it relates to his being fit to lead this country.

September 23, 2008 11:42 AM

Wandreycer1 said:

Oh I am with you Lyn39, I value Obama's deliberative unhysterical style a great deal - it is my favorite thing about him.  Now all 150 of us in the country who feel this way can watch the debate in fear.

September 23, 2008 11:56 AM

Lyn39 said:

Wandreycer1:

I don't feel so alone now.  

I don't profess to be a great lover of Mencken, but he was astute at times.  

"For every complex problem, there is a solution that is simple, neat, and wrong."

I guess for every complex question, there is an answer that is quick, snappy, and misguided.  And if anyone can provide those responses, it's McCain.

September 23, 2008 1:46 PM

Wandreycer1 said:

Thanks for making my day with that quote Lyn, don't you wish Obama would wield it somewhere?  

September 23, 2008 2:00 PM

teplukhin2you said:

I doubt either candidate will score any significant punches. Obama's already turned off his most obnoxious feature, the BS rhetoric, and is striving mightily to speak directly and concisely like a normal person. McCain's better dishing out zingers and thinking on his feet than he is behind the 'prompter. Plus this campaign has gone on nearly forever, so each side has a ton of data and will no doubt make sure their candidate has prepared 7 ways from Sunday fro every possible question.

Bottom line: if the financial panic continues to dominate the news cycle, Obama could fall on his face and still pull this out. When the race turns on the economy, the Democrat wins.

Alternatively, I'd guess that each side's ground effort in CO will determine the outcome. Not very good news for McCain, at this point.

September 23, 2008 7:28 PM

renshaw said:

<i>If Obama does badly in the foreign policy debate, he'll get maybe 30 cents on the dollar back in terms of lowered expectations for the next two debates. On the other hand, if the foreign policy debate were the last debate, there would be no more debates left, and so Obama would have nowhere to cash in that change.</i>

Is this some bit of WonkSpeak I'm unfamiliar with or just a really tortured metaphor?

September 23, 2008 8:36 PM