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02.09.2008
The Case Against the Case Against Palin

A very good friend, who is a lifelong Alaskan and one of the smartest people I know, offers this word of caution to those (yes, like me) inclined to take Sarah Palin lightly:

At the end of 2005, a close friend called to say that he begun writing speeches and talking points for a certain gubernatorial candidate.

"Remind me," I asked. "Who is Sarah Palin?"

I was dismayed at my friend’s choice of political entree. Why was he wasting his time on a relative nobody, trying to beat an incumbent governor (and former three term senator) in the Republican primary? It was utter folly. "Wait until the big money starts coming in for Murkowski," I said. "Wait until the party machinery goes to work on Palin. They will eat her for lunch."

Murkowski, for his part, expressed a similar view. "If I decide to," he said, "I will run and I will win. It's that simple."

The folly, of course, turned out to be my own (and Murkowski's), as Palin slaughtered the incumbent in the primary--posting a 30 point margin of victory--and went on to win the general (over a former Democratic governor) without seeming to break a sweat. She then quickly fulfilled an implicit campaign promise by slapping down ExxonMobil, BP, and ConocoPhillips in negotiations over a proposed Alaska natural gas pipeline, even though they, too, by all accounts, were well prepared to dine on her tender little frame. Not bad for a lightweight.

Listening to the Democratic leadership respond to John McCain’s selection of Sarah Palin as his vice presidential running mate, one hears echoes of the Alaska Republican leadership from just a few years ago. Barack Obama’s spokesman, Bill Burton, put it this way: "Today, John McCain put the former mayor of a town of 9,000 with zero foreign policy experience a heartbeat away from the presidency." Former mayor? If you're going to skip over her job as governor and, before that, her job heading the commission that oversees production of the largest petroleum reserves in America, why not "former high school student"? Bah, what does it matter: She's just a small town mayor, just a hockey mom, just a beauty pageant queen. Palin has never shunned these belittling monikers, in part, I imagine, because the camouflage has served her so well. Soothed by the litany, her opponents tend to sleep too late, sneer too much, and forget who it is that hires them.

Watching Palin operate over the past few years has been like witnessing a dramatic reading of All the King’s Men. In 2002, Murkowski had interviewed but passed over Palin in selecting a replacement for the senate seat he vacated to become governor. In a grand act of nepotism, he chose his own daughter instead. Palin was tossed a bone: She chaired the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission, which oversees the production of petroleum in Alaska. When she reported conflicts of interest and other ethical violations by another commissioner, she was ignored by Murkowski’s chief of staff and ultimately resigned in frustration. One can imagine how the quick double dose of corruption--insiders having their way with the polity and its resources--sickened the young Palin. It also fired a savage competitiveness that is not, perhaps, apparent at first glance.

What the Republicans missed about Sarah Palin then--and what the Democrats seem poised to miss now--is that she is a true political savant; a candidate with a knack for identifying the key gripes of the populace and packaging herself as the solution. That keen political nose has enabled her to routinely outperform her resume. Nearly two years into her administration, she still racks up approval ratings of 80 per cent or better.

One might reasonably ask to what extent her local popularity is buoyed by the high price of oil (and thus, a budget surplus, and thus, the ability to carry a stick into meetings with big oil). One might speculate about the durability of her anti-corruption stance in light of her conflict of interest in the dismissal of her director of public safety. And only the truly feckless would not concern themselves about her dearth of foreign policy experience. But in probing this candidate, it would behoove the Democrats and the pundits to shed the notion that they are dealing with some dimwitted bumpkin (Dan Quayle seems to come up a lot lately) who’s going to start crying when they ask her to name the president of Azerbaijan; or that Palin is the townie who was brought into the Skull & Bones initiation night for the amusement of all; or that somehow the prom queen ballots got mixed up with the Alaska gubernatorial poll. Trivialize her at your own peril.

Sarah Palin is a living reminder that the ultimate source of political power in this country is not the Kennedy School or the Davos Summit or an Ariana Huffington salon; even now, power emanates from the electorate itself. More precisely, power in 2008 emanates from the working class electorates of Pennsylvania and Ohio.

Sooner or later, the Obama camp will realize that the beauty pageant queen is an enormously talented populist in a year that is ripe for populism. For their own sake, it had better be sooner.

 --Christopher Orr

 

More Palin coverage from TNR:

  • Peter Scoblic attacks Gov. Sarah Palin's "frighteningly thin resume" and the even more frightening reality of her as the sucessor to the commander-in-chief.
  • Michelle Cottle explains why the Palin pick shouldn't satisfy heart-broken Hillary supporters looking for a strong female candidate and also how Biden needs to tread carefully given the gender issue.
  • Alan Wolfe discusses the complexity of Palin's evangelical faith and the way that Western evangelicals differ from those in the South.
  • Bradford Plumer asks how hard Palin really fought the "Bridge to Nowhere" and what that says about her supposedly reformist credentials. 
  • Michael Crowley looks at how Jamie Lynn's recent teen pregnancy could affect how pregnancy of Bristol-gate plays out in the media.
  • Eve Fairbanks explains how Palin took Hillary's already bad "glass ceiling" line to a level of being ridiculous.
  • And finally Christopher Orr counters his own case against the case against the case against Palin.

Posted: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 12:11 PM with 76 comment(s)

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jacksondyer said:

For a different opinion on Sarah Palin read this from Haaretz:

" Hawaii's 1st Jewish governor: Palin more experienced than Obama"

By Natasha Mozgovaya, Haaretz Correspondent  

www.haaretz.com/.../1017469.html

September 2, 2008 12:22 PM

BHLnyc said:

Alaska is a bit of an anomaly, no?

September 2, 2008 12:28 PM

icarusr said:

"a candidate with a knack for identifying the key gripes of the populace and packaging herself as the solution."

Echoing BHL, that assumes she can connect to the rest of the "populace".

September 2, 2008 12:33 PM

JEFF FREY said:

I'm an Alaska voter and not a Palin supporter. But I think there is a lot of truth to this piece. The unnamed source makes too big a deal about the Oil and Gas Commission. Note that the other commissioner whose ethics violations she was concerned about was the State Republican party chair -- that gives you some idea what the role of the commission is. But ratting out the corrupt party chair and resigning was a brilliant move for her. Although Randy Ruedrich is still the state party chair. The old guard has been pushed back but not defeated.

Republicans should have listened to this person when they decided on their strategy to talk about Palin. But instead of saying something like "her capabilities are stronger than her resume, and here are some examples why", they have often tried to puff up her resume in comical ways. They have tried to make a big deal of "CinC of the Alaska National Guard". They have tried listing offices as a sign of leadership, which is bad because when within 15 seconds you are talking about the PTA. It's just a losing approach.

Our local (and right-wing) paper had this headline on top today: "Palin's Potholes: Controversy piles up". It is not clear whether she will end up so far behind in week 1 that she can't ever catch up.

September 2, 2008 12:38 PM

JEFF FREY said:

I'm an Alaska voter and not a Palin supporter. But I think there is a lot of truth to this piece. The unnamed source makes too big a deal about the Oil and Gas Commission. Note that the other commissioner whose ethics violations she was concerned about was the State Republican party chair -- that gives you some idea what the role of the commission is. But ratting out the corrupt party chair and resigning was a brilliant move for her. Although Randy Ruedrich is still the state party chair. The old guard has been pushed back but not defeated.

Republicans should have listened to this person when they decided on their strategy to talk about Palin. But instead of saying something like "her capabilities are stronger than her resume, and here are some examples why", they have often tried to puff up her resume in comical ways. They have tried to make a big deal of "CinC of the Alaska National Guard". They have tried listing offices as a sign of leadership, which is bad because when within 15 seconds you are talking about the PTA. It's just a losing approach.

Our local (and right-wing) paper had this headline on top today: "Palin's Potholes: Controversy piles up". It is not clear whether she will end up so far behind in week 1 that she can't ever catch up.

September 2, 2008 12:38 PM

JosephCuomo said:

Chris Orr-

Last night I watched quite a bit of CNN, NBC, ABC, & CBS, and the only story to really break through the coverage of Gustav was (repeatedly) the Bristol Palin pregnancy story.

And this huge, prominently placed, front-page headline from today's NY Times--"Disclosures on Palin Raise Questions on Vetting Process"--suggests that (as I said on another thread) the story has already begun to change the frame narrative of the GOP campaign: the media focus now is on the extent of McCain's knowledge of Palin's background before he selected her (What did McC know and when did he know it?).

The pregnant daughter here serves as the first serious breach in the levee, and now other doubts and concerns about Palin have come flooding through, attaching themselves to the new narrative, the narrative of McCain's questionable judgement in selecting SP: ". . .it was learned that Ms. Palin," says the NYT, "now has a private lawyer in a legislative ethics investigation in Alaska into whether she abused her power in dismissing the state’s public safety commissioner; that she was a member for two years in the 1990s of the Alaska Independence Party, which has at times sought a vote on whether the state should secede; and that Mr. Palin was arrested 22 years ago on a drunken-driving charge."

There's also this: "Aides to Mr. McCain said they had a team on the ground in Alaska now to look more thoroughly into Ms. Palin’s background." Which makes the campaign seem assbackwards, trying to vet Palin only now AFTER the decision to nominate her was already made.

One would expect the new narrative about McCain's judgement to spin off several other related narratives as well, such as the one I heard last night on more than one network: will Palin survive the Convention as VP, or will McCain have to pull back and nominate someone else to replace her?

Even if McC rides out the storm and stands behind his selection of SP, the force of the narrative swirling around him (and his judgement)--plus the obsessive interest in Palin's pregnant daughter (last night, Larry King was already hoping that CNN's correspondent in Alaska might unearth the name of the baby's father)--the force of this narrative (as I suggested on another thread) looks as though it is going to blunt and obscure any message the Repugs try to get out during their own convention.

And this, in turn, will negate any anticipated bounce McCain might have received from a week's worth of free, prime-time, coast-to-coast air time.

September 2, 2008 12:41 PM

drdannyu said:

1)  Obama has been keeping his powder dry on Palin.  He does not seem to be underestimating her, but is biding his time.

2)  The national media, on the other hand, has been doing all the dirty work.  And boy, do they have a lot of material.

3)  The Alaskan political scene is a whole different kettle of fish than the national one.  See James Fallows on this.  Palin has never faced the kind of pressure and scrutiny that she is starting to face now.

4)  Alaskan Independance?  For serious?  The narrative doesn't have to be about Palin much.  All that has to be done, over and over, is ask how seriously McCain considered this choice, and what it says about his judgement.  (Hint: it's not good.)

September 2, 2008 12:47 PM

JosephCuomo said:

One more thing: Palin may be a "true political savant," as your friend points out, but this is America, Chris, and Americans eat this stuff up, they eat scandals up--especially sexual scandals--they eat  it for breakfast, lunch and dinner. Indeed, every major newspaper and tv and radio station is already focusing on this pregnancy as a scandal.

And scandals have a way of undermining even the most saavy political operator.

Just for one instance, here's the NY Daily News on the subject today:

_____________________________________________________________________________

He's a superhunky bad-boy ice hockey player from cold country; she's a chestnut-haired beauty and popular high school senior.

The all-American teen twosome will make GOP vice presidential pick and Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin a grandma at age 44--just in time for Christmas.

Doe-eyed Bristol Palin, 17, and ruggedly handsome Levi Johnston, an 18-year-old self-described "f---in' redneck," have been dating a year, locals in Wasilla, Alaska, told the Daily News. . . .

On his MySpace page, Johnston proudly declares: "I'm a f---in' redneck."

"I live to play hockey. I like to go camping and hang out with the boys, do some fishing," he says on the site.

He also warns that if anyone messes with him, "I'll kick ass."

The Web site, before it was removed, appeared not to have been accessed for a year.

On it, he admits to having a girlfriend.

On the part where it asks about children, he wrote, "I don't want kids."

Mark Okeson, the assistant principal at Wasilla High School, told the Chicago Tribune that Bristol started her junior year last fall, in the town where Sarah Palin grew up.

He said Bristol inexplicably transferred to an Anchorage high school midyear, leaving Levi behind.

"I never heard the story why," he said.

______________________________________________________________________________

I would bet that this kind of breathy, lurid, obsessive coverage of the Bristol Palin pregnancy is everywhere today, Chris--in thousands of newspapers, magazines, radio and tv stations across the country. (As I said above, the Bristol story was virtually the only story to repeatedly break through the coverage of Gustav last night on CNN, NBC, ABC and CBS.)

Which is to say, however astute SP may be politically, she and her running mate (as well as her unfortunate daugher) are now in the eye of the storm. And the storm is a shit storm.

September 2, 2008 12:48 PM

rriley said:

Strongly agree that Palin is a very skilled natural politician, and must be taken seriously and opposed on the merits.  But I think the national electorate does take her seriously, and on balance doesn't seem to like her.  Today's (9/2) Rasmussen tracking poll from over over the weekend (8/30-31) now has Obama 51-45, and today's USA Today/Gallup poll also from 8/30-31 has Obama at 50-43.  Fri-Sat Aug 30-31 are after Palin's pick on Friday 8/29 - but BEFORE the dime dropped on her teenage daughter, on Monday 9/1.  So those are pretty clean first impressions without the "noise" of the family drama.

I personally think Palin was politically a weak pick for McCain, for all her appeal to conservative activists and (some) libertarians.

September 2, 2008 12:50 PM

sullydog said:

I'm sorry, I just don't get it. This lady is on the wrong side of every woman's issue, on the wrong side of the independents, and prima facie unqualified. She's embroiled in at least one scandal (that we know of), and it appears that in the 90s she was a memeber of a secessionist party, with whom she still cutlivates good relations, and whose 2008 convention she addressed from the Governor's Office, telling them to "keep up the good work."

Talk about Country First.

Please tell me, with the election hinging on independents, how does a blatant gyno-pander with a candidate who thinks abortion should be outlawed even in rape and incest, who thinks global warming has nothing to do with human activity, and who thinks creationism should be taught in schools help the GOP? Because I'm having a hard time seeing it. Once the limmerance of McCain's pick wears off, how does Palin really help him?

September 2, 2008 12:51 PM

JosephCuomo said:

One last thing, Chris: I think Dems (especially official Dems, Dems in Congress, Dems speaking as surrogates for the campaign) should follow Obama's lead on this, and simply refuse to speak about Bristol Palin.

The MSM is going to acknowledge the Obama position, then (as network after network did last night) fixate on all the lurid details they can find.

When the backlash to this obsessive coverage comes (and unless another Palin scandal, like Troopergate, surfaces in a big way, the backlash will come), then the heat of the public outcry won't be directed at Obama (or Dems in general), but at the press itself.

September 2, 2008 12:53 PM

Eos said:

Nice to have something other than snarkiness and innuendo to discuss about Palin.

The key will be what happens when she begins to speak. If she is persuassive and reliable seeming, the foreign policy experience issue will be sharply diminished. If she needs to bone up on Azerbaijan, Biden better put his "my IQ is higher than yours" to work on energy policy.

September 2, 2008 12:56 PM

williamyard said:

It seems to me that the only area where Obama has had a significant advantage was the ground operation. I kept reading of him opening multiple field offices in states where McCain had none, of Obama volunteers itching to make phone calls, ring doorbells, babysitting voters' kids, and give rides to the polls. Meanwhile, the Christian conservatives who lined up for similar duty for the GOP in '00 and '08 were nowhere to be seen.

They're seen now. Palin brought them out of the woodwork, big time. Assuming his managers know what to do with them, McCain will have plenty of ground troops. So much for Obama's advantage on that score.

As for the woman herself, well, McCain could have chosen a solidly Christian, pro-life, anti-gay, anti-sex ed Alaskan moose rather than a solidly Christian, pro-life, anti-gay, anti-sex ed Alaskan governor and the effect would be about the same: every social conservative who was thinking of sitting this one out is now in the game because of the pick, and everyone else is underwhelmed. She'll win McCain one or two centrist women overlooking her lack of machismo bona fides and lose him an equal number of centrist men lamenting her lack of machismo bona fides.

Gustav almost allowed McCain to play President on TV. However, nobody's thinking of downgrading Biden to a tropical depression anytime soon, so the Obama campaign should just let Joe rain on Sarah's parade until the Democrats' drought is over.

September 2, 2008 12:56 PM

timteeter said:

"this word of caution to those (yes, like me) inclined to take Sarah Palin lightly"

Define "lightly."

If by "light" you mean "moron," then yes, it would be a mistake to take Palin that way.  Dan Quayle was, in truth, smarter and more capable than his critics allowed, but he had that fatal deer-in-the-headlights quality that left him open to parody, something that I freely grant Palin does not.  I doubt she spells potato with an e.

But that does not mean I (or anyone else) should take her as seriously as, say, Tim Pawlenty, who would have been the safe (and far wiser) choice.  Instead of being seen as stupid a la Quayle, Ms. Palin is in a different danger, that of being seen as fringe (Alaska Independence Party, Buchanan supporter, denial of global warming, etc.),  If THAT image should ever take hold, look out.  And if in addition it then turns out that McCain's choice, along with being an obvious pander, was also an impulsive gamble, then once it gets combined with "firinge," McCain is toast.

September 2, 2008 12:58 PM

jacksondyer said:

drdannyu said:  "1)  Obama has been keeping his powder dry on Palin.  He does not seem to be underestimating her, but is biding his time."

If Obama says anything against Palin on this score his whole life and that of his mother and "father" will also come under scrutiny.

There are already rumors out there that his mother had him before she got married which may explain why he took off right after he was born.

How many wives did his father have, in how many countries?

Lots to gossip about there and I don't think it'll be to his benefit to open the floodgates.

It would be wiser for him and his supporters to stay away from this whole tawdry issue.

September 2, 2008 12:59 PM

tomhilliard said:

I think it's a good warning: Palin carries herself well and positions herself shrewdly with voters. She will probably overshoot expectations for the VP debate by a considerable margin.

But I'm skeptical that Palin's political skills will be of great importance. As a VP nominee, she is a surrogate for McCain, not a principal player in her own right. Running for Governor of Alaska, Palin could shape her own image. This week, we are watching Palin's image shaped for her by the media. Much of the focus has been on McCain's shoddy process for selecting his VP, and what that says about his qualifications for national office. Palin can't really get involved in that debate.

I'm also curious about what Orr's correspondent thinks about Palin's governing record. A number of elected officials in Alaska reportedly dislike Palin because she has been detached from the legislative and budgetary process - in other words a "political savant" who is indifferent to actually governing. Lord knows I have no idea of the accuracy of this allegation from the other side of the continent, so I'm interested in what knowledgeable people have to say.  

September 2, 2008 1:00 PM

fougasseu said:

Terrific post. Palin is clearly no one to underestimate, just as thousands of companies have learned the hard way when they underestimated Wal-Mart. Palin has a great story. And narratives build winning brands.

But the case against the case against the case for Palin is pretty straightforward. She's simply not read to be a heartbeat away from a 72-yr.-old President. She's too green.

If McCain loses, Palin will likely have a long, impressive career in politics. She may end up being the first woman President of the United States. But not yet. She's a relative unknown, with no foreign policy experience. Would you put an untested rookie into the Super Bowl, someone with great potential, a college all-star, who has never thrown a pass in the NFL? Of course not. This is about McCain's judgment. The man is far too reckless and unpredictable.

September 2, 2008 1:01 PM

ralphnelle said:

Sully, nevermind the secessionist party thing. I hear she wears a flag pin, so she's all good.

September 2, 2008 1:04 PM

Eos said:

Ah, Sullydog:

You have carefully misstated in an inaccurate way every charge you have made agaist Palin. Nicely, if diingenuously, done.

September 2, 2008 1:07 PM

drdannyu said:

jackson, please don't bore me.  Obama has already mentioned his own mother is his classy and appropriate statement yesterday.  He is probably biding his time re: Palin in order to address the myriad other problems with her candidacy.  (Or are you not bothered in the slightest by her affiliation with the AIP?  Why wouldn't I be surprised if the answer is "no"?)

September 2, 2008 1:11 PM

sullydog said:

Eos: that's an empty accusation. I stand by my post, and I challenge you to lay out where I have been disingenuous. Put up or shut up.

September 2, 2008 1:14 PM

CraigMcGil said:

Suppose this is true. Suppose she is a natural politician and will overperform in the debates. How does that change the substance of this issue. The ability to campaign is not the ability to govern. She knows nothing about foreign policy and has a tendancy to embrace extremists. On the surface this looks like a poor pick. McCain never got to know Palin or understand her record. Even if she succeeds it will be nothing more than a spectacular bit of luck for McCain. As Matt Yglesias has pointed out it is one thing to go all in, it is another to go all in without looking at your cards.

September 2, 2008 1:17 PM

boxofrox said:

Rope a dope.

September 2, 2008 1:19 PM

Nippers said:

jacksondyer,

How many wives did Obama's father have? Three, I believe. I'll have to consult my copy of Dreams from my Father, wherein Obama himself discloses in great detail his family's complicated and painful history. His comparison of Bristol to his mother yesterday was heartfelt, as well as honorable.

September 2, 2008 1:32 PM

boxofrox said:

I've heard some specifics on vetting which included the name of a firm which had done work months ago. All bought and paid for at the behest of the McCain campaign. Wonder what kind of comment that receipt is going to generate?

September 2, 2008 1:35 PM

teplukhin2you said:

My guess is, if Putin stays quiet for the next two months-- lots of tigers to be hunted in Siberia; they haven't all been slaughtered yet, and ditto for journalists to be executed-- then no one will pay much attention to Palin. She seems intelligent enough, actually knows something about energy, has some executive experience.

If OTOH the conflict between Russia and Ukraine (or Poland, or one or more of the Balts) heats up, then the election will focus like the proverbial laser beam on the huge risks this country faces in either electing a placid but untested unknown with little knowledge of EEurope, or a man whose tendency to shoot from the hip has raised the possibility that his legal successor in the WH may be an unout tested unknown with little knowledge of EEurope.

Talk about your Hobson's choices....

September 2, 2008 1:38 PM

Wandreycer1 said:

Sully - don't know if you know, or care (you shouldn't, you're going to demolish anything the guy says in one of your razor sentences. let alone a whole post) but Eos is a Republican plant.  Jaunty outed him a couple of days ago, which was obvious from the beginnng, but I'm addled with winger loathing these days.

He's sort of like a computer program inserted in by the RNC?  Someone.  Ah well, people have to make a living, its good to know what they are thinking.  

I think Palin will blow over completely - the Christian right runs the Republican party and they say she stays, end of story.  There is nothing, short of a lesbian lover, they could turn up on her that would make them turn.  

It'll be tied up again in a week or so, with Obama a couple of points ahead.

September 2, 2008 1:40 PM

sullydog said:

Yeah, box, you may be right, I think it may be an attempt at rope a dope. But remember that R-a-D seldom works, unless you're Ali. Most boxers who try the R-a-D just end up getting hurt.

And ya gots ta 'member dat da key to da R-a-D be da dope hisself.

That is to say: If the prospective dope doesn't exhaust/hurt himself by swinging away, the tactic doesn't work. And Obama is being most careful not to swing away here.

McCain's a-ropin', but O ain't dopin'.

And if it's a rope a dope, it's a desperate one. We'll see how it plays for Johnnie Mac. After all, he didn't have much choice, did he?

He was _already_ on the ropes.

September 2, 2008 1:46 PM

tomeg said:

jackson, I disagree, I think it would be best for all the dirt to come out, leveraged or not. Some things will fall out, others will vanish like smoke. In the end my guess is Obama will still be standing, as will McCain. But we'll have learned a whole lot more about vetting - and slime ball politics.

So,  in that spirit, and being an Obama supporter, I recommend reading yesterday's blog entry by Laura McGann of The Washington Independent (formerly of TPM).

www.washingtonindependent.com/.../the-reform-candidate

Please also read the comment from Anne Kilkenny, long time Sarah Palin watcher in Wasilla: search the article on "Kilkenny"  to read her comment.

Just more grist for the mill. Palin sounds like a genuine piece of work, well worthy of her growing reputation, good and bad.

September 2, 2008 1:47 PM

mpatrickhendri said:

Eos,

Please, we all know at this point who you are. We already get the Republican talking points with Fox News. We don't need a 15 minute rehash of the McCain memos from you.

Jackson,

Not sure how Obama's father's sex life applies to anything. Was he in a position to mold his father's character? To see he was raised and acted in a conservative Christian way? Ugh, no, he was two years old when his father left. Apples and oranges doesn't even cover the difference.

Orr,

Get a life. She's bucking the system - barely - in a state where corruption, handouts and bribery are systemic. What a hero. She's a liability until she proves otherwise. Seen anything to suggest she isn't? Nor will you. This is wishful thinking on the part of people that see McCain's chances going from slim to none.

September 2, 2008 1:48 PM

jacksondyer said:

drdannyu said:  "jackson, please don't bore me.  Obama has already mentioned his own mother is his classy and appropriate statement yesterday."

It's your changing the subject that is boring.

Obama didn't address the issue of his mother's pregnancy, nor should he. However, if you guys keep bringing up Palin's daughter pregnancy he will be forced to answer questions about it. It won't help him, trust me. That was my point.

As for Palin's AIP connecton, I am not a Republican so I don't care. However, the Republican's in Alaska have denied it.

If you are going to post every rumor on the web you should at least give us a link.

September 2, 2008 1:48 PM

Exurban League said:

Sarah Palin is a living reminder that the ultimate source of political power in this country is not the Kennedy School or the Davos Summit or an Ariana Huffington salon; even now, power emanates from the electorate itself." - An unnamed Alaskan friend

September 2, 2008 1:50 PM

jacksondyer said:

"There is nothing, short of a lesbian lover, they could turn up on her that would make them turn. " Wandreycer1

This used to be an old tactic used against liberal candidates by the right in the 'good old days.'  Find someone to accuse the candidate of having had a homosexual encounter.

September 2, 2008 1:52 PM

tomeg said:

Incidentally, tep (if you're still here), I wholeheartedly agree with your take on f-p. Internationalism just doesn't work with the likes of Putin. In my intro to poli. sci. course (during the Cretaceous period) my favorite professor remarked something like this: "Tyrants and dictators all love international laws and regulations; they make them appear focused and decisive."

September 2, 2008 1:53 PM

jacksondyer said:

"His comparison of Bristol to his mother yesterday was heartfelt, as well as honorable." Nippers

I agree, and I think that everyone should take his advise and drop the subject.

There is a lot out there to talk about aside from tabloid issues.

September 2, 2008 1:53 PM

sullydog said:

Ah. Thanks, Wandrey. I haven't been around much lately. Appreciate the heads-up.

September 2, 2008 1:58 PM

drdannyu said:

Just for the record, while I totally disagree with Eos on pretty much every issue relating to this year's election (and how!), I don't think he's a Republican operative.  

September 2, 2008 1:58 PM

drdannyu said:

Uh...jackson, YOU mentioned Obama's mother, so then _I_ mentioned Obama's mentioning her.  That's changing the subject how, pray?  

I'm not particularly good at posting links, at least not since TNR changed to its new format.  Please feel free to wander around Talkingpointsmemo.  Very illuminating.  If Palin's not a member of the AIP, one wonders why she sent them video-taped greetings, and why she is described as a member by another member.  Again, it's all there for you to see.  Go forth and dig, if you're so inclined.  

And, um... I haven't mentioned Palin's daughter's pregnancy.  So, what's with the "you guys"?

September 2, 2008 2:04 PM

Nippers said:

jacksondyer,

For the record, because it matters, Obama did talk about his mother's pregnancy yesterday, just as drdannyu asserts. You must have missed it, so here it is again (third sentence):

"This shouldn't be part of our politics, it has no relevance to governor Palin's performance as a governor or her potential performance as a vice president. And so I would strongly urge people to back off these kinds of stories. You know my mother had me when she was 18. And how family deals with issues and teenage children that shouldn't be the topic of our politics and I hope that anybody who is supporting me understands that is off limits."

September 2, 2008 2:05 PM

icarusr said:

As to her religious views - and I think they matter, to the extent that they reflect how she will approach public policy:

"Alaska's governor asked the audience to pray for another matter -- a $30 billion national gas pipeline project that she wanted built in the state. "I think God's will has to be done in unifying people and companies to get that gas line built, so pray for that," she said."

(Over at HuffPo)

God's will be done, as Osama would say.

September 2, 2008 2:07 PM

icarusr said:

Incidentally, that answers Eos' point: "The key will be what happens when she begins to speak."  She has, and it ain't perdy.

September 2, 2008 2:08 PM

mpatrickhendri said:

Well Orr,

Guess you were right. Look at the bounce McCain has received for his bold pick:

www.gallup.com/.../Gallup-Daily-Obama-Hits-50-First-Time.aspx

Slim and none.

September 2, 2008 2:08 PM

mjmckay said:

RAISE the BAR!!!

Yes, the Obama Campaign should and has taken Bristol Palin off the table.  And the MSM as well as the Blogosphere will certainly OD on All Palin, All the TIme (and then the possibility of backlash becomes real).

But while all that is sucking up the oxygen, we (the Dems) lose the chance to preemptively (and I expect accurately) define Palin not as a bad soap opera plot, but as a person with really terrible public policies.  

Raise the incredibly lowered bar of expectations for her.  Posit her as someone who may be the most brilliant mind in the conservative ranks on every topic:  foreign policy, energy policy, education, health care, national security , etc.  who has just hidden her light under a bushel (as it were - a nice New Testament allusion for McCain's new shock troops).  Suggest that she is a Regan-quality Great (White North) Communicator who has a common touch that is uncommon.

Then once the context is laid and the public's expectations of her debate and campaign performances are higher than a championship limbo bar, you can lay into her on policy grounds.  And more importantly, continue laying into McCain.  Remember, this is not about winning VP debates, it's about winning elections.

September 2, 2008 2:09 PM

icarusr said:

She's one tough cookie, so as the Republicans.

As to Troopergate, the stalling has already begun; at least we'll know one thing: she'll be as good as Cheney in refusing to accede to legislative oversight.

abcnews.go.com/.../story

www.adn.com/.../513137.html

September 2, 2008 2:11 PM

tomeg said:

"ABOUT SARAH PALIN

I am a resident of Wasilla, Alaska. I have known Sarah since 1992.

Everyone here knows Sarah, so it is nothing special to say we are on a

first-name basis. Our children have attended the same schools. Her

father was my child's favorite substitute teacher. I also am on a

first name basis with her parents and mother-in-law. I attended more

City Council meetings during her administration than about 99% of the

residents of the city.

She is enormously popular; in every way she’s like the most popular

girl in middle school. Even men who think she is a poor choice and

won't vote for her can't quit smiling when talking about her because

she is a 'babe'."

Palin: Plus

September 2, 2008 2:28 PM

tomeg said:

"[Palin] is savvy. She doesn't take positions; she just "puts things out

there" and if they prove to be popular, then she takes credit."

Excellent.

September 2, 2008 2:30 PM

tomeg said:

"Her husband works a union job on the North Slope for BP and is a

champion snowmobile racer. Todd Palin’s kind of job is highly

sought-after because of the schedule and high pay. He arranges his

work schedule so he can fish for salmon in Bristol Bay for a month or

so in summer, but by no stretch of the imagination is fishing their

major source of income."

 __Anne Kilkenny

Verdict: Couldn't be better, except for the fish story.

September 2, 2008 2:32 PM

tomeg said:

"Sarah and her whole family are avid hunters.

She's smart."

 ___Anne Kilkenny, on Sarah Palin

Verdict: Outta sight.

September 2, 2008 2:35 PM

woland said:

I just wanted to mention that TNR is so superior to the right wing mags because of introspective articles like Mr. Orr's here.  Reading the National Review Online makes my head hurt because of the ridiculous one-sided nature of almost all their articles.

At any rate, on the Palin score I believe that although Palin may in fact be the second coming of Winston Churchill/FDR/Lincoln all rolled into a "hottie" package, the point Democrats need emphasize is not Palin's qualities but McCain's lack of judgment in selecting her.  Even if Palin turns out to be the best politician of all time, there is absolutely no way McCain could have know this when he selected her.  Therefore, Orr's worry that Democrats will underestimate Palin is really beside the point.  The Democrats need to focus their fire, as they have mostly been doing, on McCain's judgment and process of selecting her.  By all accounts, McCain picked her on "Hail Mary" pass hunch.  Quarterbacks who successfully complete Hail Marys may on rare occasions win the game, but that doesn't make them good Quarterbacks.  Do Americans really want a President who makes decisions in this manner?

jacksondyer - Obama is 10 times smarter than you so he knew exactly how to respond to the Bristol pregnancy story.  All the republican talking heads have been praising him for his response.  You really ought to clear out the fog in your head blocking you from seeing Obama's brilliance.  Yes, I am a strong Obama supporter and all, but like Orr's column here I do try and critically access the strengths and weaknesses of all the parties concerned.  I am not a koolaide drinker in any respect.  But after reading all your comments on these posts such as your careless and ignorant-of-the-facts post above, I am convinced that you need to take a chill pill, get off your reflexive anti-Obama high horse, and stop posting your ignorant anti-Obama posts.  If you don't like Obama that's your right of course, but do us all a favor and knock off the tirades.  Unless of course you are a McCain plant in which case we will all just have to put up with your foolishness.  

September 2, 2008 2:36 PM

tomeg said:

"During her mayoral administration most of the actual work of running

this small city was turned over to an administrator. She had been

pushed to hire this administrator by party power-brokers after she had

gotten herself into some trouble over precipitous firings which had

given rise to a recall campaign."

___Anne Kilkenny, on Sarah Palin

Verdict: Smarter (the power-brokers, that is)

September 2, 2008 2:37 PM

tomeg said:

"Sarah campaigned in Wasilla as a “fiscal conservative”. During her 6

years as Mayor, she increased general government expenditures by over

33%. During those same 6 years the amount of taxes collected by the

City increased by 38%. This was during a period of low inflation

(1996-2002). She reduced progressive property taxes and increased a

regressive sales tax which taxed even food. The tax cuts that she

promoted benefited large corporate property owners way more than they

benefited residents.

The huge increases in tax revenues during her mayoral administration

weren’t enough to fund everything on her wish list though, borrowed

money was needed, too. She inherited a city with zero debt, but left it

with indebtedness of over $22 million. What did Mayor Palin encourage

the voters to borrow money for? Was it the infrastructure that she said

she supported? The sewage treatment plant that the city lacked? or a

new library? No. $1m for a park. $15m-plus for construction of a

multi-use sports complex which she rushed through to build on a piece

of property that the City didn’t even have clear title to, that was

still in litigation 7 yrs later--to the delight of the lawyers

involved! The sports complex itself is a nice addition to the

community but a huge money pit, not the profit-generator she claimed it

would be. She also supported bonds for $5.5m for road projects that

could have been done in 5-7 yrs without any borrowing.

While Mayor, City Hall was extensively remodeled and her office

redecorated more than once.

These are small numbers, but Wasilla is a very small city."

___Anne Kilkenny, on Sarah Palin

Verdict: Enterprising

September 2, 2008 2:39 PM

tomeg said:

"As an oil producer, the high price of oil has created a budget surplus

in Alaska. Rather than invest this surplus in technology that will

make us energy independent and increase efficiency, as Governor she

proposed distribution of this surplus to every individual in the state.

In this time of record state revenues and budget surpluses, she

recommended that the state borrow/bond for road projects, even while

she proposed distribution of surplus state revenues: spend today's

surplus, borrow for needs."

___Anne Kilkenny, on Sarah Palin

Verdict: Consistent, Fiscally responsible, believes in hard work, taxpayer relief, energy consevation. WOW!

September 2, 2008 2:44 PM

drdannyu said:

tomeg, I'm not being sarcastic when I say I am having a hard time following what your point is.  Can you please clarify?  It seems to be that Sarah Palin is just about the coolest woman you could ever want to hunt moose with, a point against which I don't care to argue.  That she is also both singularly unqualified to be president (and it is to that office that her qualifications must be matched, since one never knows), and has a distressing tendency to be less than 100% truthful about positions or actions she's taken are other points to consider, which seem to take precedence over the first.

September 2, 2008 2:55 PM

tomeg said:

"As Mayor, she had her hand stuck out as far as anyone for pork from

Senator Ted Stevens. Lately, she has castigated his pork-barrel

politics and publicly humiliated him. She only opposed the “bridge to

nowhere” after it became clear that it would be unwise not to.

As Governor, she gave the Legislature no direction and budget

guidelines, then made a big grandstand display of line-item vetoing

projects, calling them pork. Public outcry and further legislative

action restored most of these projects--which had been vetoed simply

because she was not aware of their importance--but with the unobservant

she had gained a reputation as “anti-pork”.

She is solidly Republican: no political maverick. The State party

leaders hate her because she has bit them in the back and humiliated

them. Other members of the party object to her self-description as a

fiscal conservative."

___Anne Kilkenny, on Sarah Palin

Verdict:  Hates Pork (that isn't hers). Republican. Anti-Republican. Maverick.

September 2, 2008 2:55 PM

tomeg said:

Before y'all scream at me and report to TNR (if you haven't already), I'll stop.

Except for this one last:

"She has bitten the hand of every person who extended theirs to her in

help. The City Council person who personally escorted her around town

introducing her to voters when she first ran for Wasilla City Council

became one of her first targets when she was later elected Mayor. She

abruptly fired her loyal City Administrator; even people who didn’t

like the guy were stunned by this ruthlessness.

Fear of retribution has kept all of these people from saying anything

publicly about her."

___Anne Kilkenny, on Sarah Palin

Verdict: Whoops. She may be POTUS sooner than we think. Shows initiative, however.

September 2, 2008 3:00 PM

tomeg said:

I apologize for my excessive number of posts, and all the white space, but I thought Kilkenny's very personal (and admittedly biased) take on Palin, in addition to being informative, is touching, even poignant. As the saying goes, "we've got a live one."

Tom

tomeg

September 2, 2008 3:09 PM

icarusr said:

Tomeg, don't stop ... I couldn't stop laughing as I went through this.  Is this true?  Her leaving a town of 8500 with a $22 million debt?  The sport complex?  I mean, too much.  You can't write fiction this good and be credible.  Well apart from the senile imbecile who selected her, who are those who continue to sing her praises - other than her political skills, which are Cheney-esque?  

www.washingtonindependent.com/.../palin-involved-in-ousting-scandals-from-the-start

This is when she asked personal oaths of loyalty, more or less, when she took office AS MAYOR, and then fired people who, "in her heart" were not loyal enough.  

I mean, we have not had enough gas-bag cronyism in the past seven years?  Rather rich irony, this, in the wake of Gustav no?  Heckuva job, Palin!

September 2, 2008 3:26 PM

tomeg said:

Sorry drdann, my 'point' was merely irony/sarcasm/snark. I tried, unsuccessfully I see, to strongly imply her qualifications are solely political. She can tough it out with the big boys,  hunt moose and destroy opponents and friends - but seems to me that's about all, other than being a classic Republican tax and spender, and having I trust a lovely granddaughter with severe disability.

September 2, 2008 3:38 PM

GSpinks said:

Well, excessiveness aside, it looks like her bone fides aren't as solid as one might have anticipated; her approval rating may be through the roof, but there is an obvious history of tax and waste which will further alienate swing voters. I can't imagine what demographic of swing voters will appreciate a gung-ho for God, fiscally irresponsible platform.

I would guess, at this point, that Obama will simply frame her up as a "tax and waste" republican, tie that into McCain's image as out of touch with the financial realities of the middle and working classes, and call it a day.

September 2, 2008 3:56 PM

tomeg said:

Thx, icarususr. I don't know if all that Kilkenny writes can be verified, but I really was interested to read what a local observer not connected with politics would write about Palin. Kilkenny includes her email address at the end of her comment (I think unwisely), which suggests her level of concern in writing.

September 2, 2008 3:58 PM

singlespeed said:

I could care less about Palin's daughter. Really don't care. But for the fact that this whole darama flies in direct contradiction of the GOP's long standing claim to fame as THE family-values party of America makes me want to laugh so hard. Forthright irony doesn't get any better than this.

September 2, 2008 4:03 PM

icarusr said:

OK - total breakdown of resolve here - I will make one comment about Cardiff or Newcastle or Bristol or whatever her name is.  Well, not about her - but about the sad but delicious irony of the situation.  Oh, no, not about Palin's hypocrisy - but for sheer irony, this has few equals:

""The explicit sex-ed programs will not find my support," she wrote in a 2006 questionnaire distributed among gubernatorial candidates."

She believes in creationism, so given Mommy's opposition to sex-ed, perhaps the daughter was still under the impression that the Stork brings babies home ... For this sin, I will pass two rounds of rosaries and say the appropriate number of Hail Marys.  I repent and will sin no more.  But couldn't resist ...

September 2, 2008 4:11 PM

The Plank said:

I don't follow Alaskan politics nearly as closely as my smart Alaskan friend (obviously), but I'd

September 2, 2008 4:36 PM

williamyard said:

Go tomeg! If you don't continue such terrific posts I'll have no choice but to report you to the TNR honchos/honchettes.

However, I'm concerned about Palin wanting to give every Alaskan a part of the surplus. We're gonna need that equity when we're forced to hand Alaska back to Russia to pay off our future oil debt. (Barack: sorry to break it to you, dude, but China has dibs on Hawaii.)

Note that eliminating Alaska and Hawaii from the United States would increase the chances that graduating high school seniors are able to find the United States on a map of the United States. Those "floaters" likely confused many of the young'uns. Thank Goddess I never threw out my old 48-star flag--it's gonna come in handy!

Has anyone ever noticed that the period when the U.S. comprised 48 and only 48 states was arguably when our nation was at its zenith? Then along came a couple states just too fancy-shmancy to be contiguous like normal states, and next thing you know there's Vietnam, Nixon, disco, AIDS, Al Qaeda, an obesity epidemic... Coincidence? I think not.

And now here comes this mystery Palin dame like Ms. Whoop-de-doo, from someplace we're agreed is half the source of our problems (along with Hawaii), a place that doesn't even get completely dark in the middle of summer and where people clamp fish to their clothes lines for six months at a time until the thaw comes in July or what not.

My friends, Alaska is a hell of a lot closer to Vladivostok than it is to the Lower Forty-Eight, if you catch my drift.

September 2, 2008 5:11 PM

Wandreycer1 said:

Jeesh, all McCain had to do was spend an afternoon on this stuff and he would have known all of it.  Scary to think this man could be in charge.

Jackson - I was in no way infering anything about Sarah Palin's sexual orientation, I was commenting on the elastic morality of the Christian Right.  ANYthing as long as you aren't gay.  That would be the only disqualifier at this point.  Or as my best friend emailed me (a gay man incidentally, but who cares):  "The next headline will be "Palin is Actually a Man!"  

Which is intended to make fun of the media, not Palin.

I think I'm right about Eos, drdannyu.  But I don't begrudge him at all, I'm serious when I say you have to make a living.  I'm also serious that I appreciate knowing how our friends on the other side of the aisle are spinning. Unless its Max Boot and a couple of others (I miss Buckley, warts and all - at least he was smart), I don't read much partisan right wing commentary.  Or super lefty for that matter.  The one time I read a link to Kos in my life and I get burned with bizarro pregnancy nonsense.  Once burned and all that, no more Kos, that's for sure.  What a moron.

Eos is welcome to deny it whenever he wants and hasn't, maybe that means nothing.  It doesn't matter anyway.  The posts write themselves.

September 2, 2008 5:22 PM

Nari224 said:

tomeg - thanks.  Like Icky, I was laughing away at those gems.  Can't make up stuff this good.

September 2, 2008 5:58 PM

Nari224 said:

tomeg - thanks.  Like Icky, I was laughing away at those gems.  Can't make up stuff this good.

September 2, 2008 6:06 PM

ginnymayer said:

Palin was a brilliant pick, because it brought in Evangelicals and their millions in contributions. But it makes a joke of the slogan "Country First" as she is supremely unqualified, and it is embarrassing to witness the spectacle of people who know better forced to say on TV or in print that Alaska's proximity to Russia qualifies her in foreign affairs.  

However, it really matters little as to what her qualifications are or are not, so I see little point in debating that point. What does matter is this: what percentage of the country believes that the only qualification needed is that you go to the right church, and what percentage believes that other criteria are more important, such as expertise and experience? That is what will be revealed on November 4.

September 2, 2008 6:09 PM

wldctfan142 said:

I admire palin, and also think obama showed a lot of class yesterday with his statement. Wish we could have more of that, but there you are.

About the rope-a-dope strategy, lets all remember ali employed that tactic because he had to. His legs could no longer carry him out of harms way as before. (I'm referring to the zora foley era of his career, or thereabouts.) Also, its a given that bulked-up, muscular fighters have stamina issue's, so ali's tactic was to weather the storm till foreman was spent. Like that old saying in the fight game, "yea, he may be strong, musclebound (fill in the blank), but whats he like after 5 rounds?

I've always maintained that ali was entering his prime when the 3 year forced exile occured, and even though he was still a great fighter, in fits and starts, his legs could never equal what they were before. Thats when, as we all know, he began to rely more and more on his chin, instead of the old stick and move, float like a butterfly, sting like a bee.

September 2, 2008 6:37 PM

lindamwil said:

Mr. Yard:

Might that also raise the graduation rate in Wasilla?  I hear the average grade completed is the 10th.

But then don't we own half of Alaska? Shall we sell it to the AIP? or just lease it?

BTW, thank you all for your many wonderful posts!!  even Jackson, eos et al

I remain

a little old white lady for Obama

September 2, 2008 8:56 PM

Hard Starboard said:

Are we beginning to notice a pattern from the Obamarketeers? This was Saturday: And this one aired today: Notice who's conspicuously absent from these two spots? McCain's REAL running mate. Which is the only part of...

September 2, 2008 10:55 PM

ChanRobt said:

Never has Left and Liberal hypocrisy been so starkly on parade as the reaction to Mrs. Palin.

The people who supposedly believe in "choice" see Sara Palin's choice to have her baby despite a pre-natal diagnosis of Downs Syndrome as a rebuke

The people  who don't believe in making sexual value judgements have been treating Sara Palin's pregnant teenage daughter as scarlet lettered.  That the Palin family embraces their daughter and rejoices in the prospect of her baby-- while fully understanding the difficulties that must be faced-- this the Left positions as antedelluvian behavior.

Why, asks the Left, can't the Palins do the civilized thing and see to it that their daughter aborts this baby?

I'll give Obama credit for pointing out that he himself is the son of a single mother.  Unfortunately, the people he leads are as nasty a pack of jackals as ever raised their ugly heads.

September 3, 2008 2:09 AM

Wizbang said:

The Obama camp (and his friends on the angry left) have been working overtime the past five days (actually just under five days, but it seems like months, doesn't it?)...

September 3, 2008 2:16 AM

americapolyphony said:

Le 2e jour de la Convention nationale républicaine dans les villes jumelles de St Paul/Minneapolis (Minnesota) a connu un rythme à peu près normal, après le chaos voire l'éclipse médiatique de la journée et soirée de lundi. La situat...

September 3, 2008 3:56 AM

LisaEagleriverAK said:

Tom Hilliard questioned Alaskan's  to respond with their opinions about Palin's governing record. Hilliard's question was referring back to not only why does she grab the populist sentiment, but how do we realy feel about the way she has governed?  Palin has an 80% approval rating, and I think it's because she actually delivered on what she promised . She campaigned on ethics reform, and promised a Natural gas pipeline, she also ran against a two well established politicians  and her own party, promising to put Alaskans above party and politics. Within the first few days she sold the unpopular Governor's jet which to Alaskans was a symbol like the bridge to nowhere of Government waste and pomp.  Within the first few months as Governor she and the legislature passed an ethics reform bill which went across both parties. She called a special legislative session which negotiated a restructuring of the tax on oil, which was a debate in Alaska about balancing the desire to keep big oil producers in AK while reimbursing the people of AK for the use of their  resource.  The tax profits came back to us in the energy dividend to try to help offset the cost of fuel in AK.She just recently signed into law a Natural Gas pipeline agreement, that had been stalled (10 years) and previously favored the big oil companies exclusively under Murkowski's administration.The pipeline includes a clause to pump the natural gas into Alaska, the previous pipeline wasn't even going to bring the natural gas, refined into our own state.I agree she appeals to the populist and especially to Alaskan's who are independent but she has basically accomplished the major issues she had promised .

September 3, 2008 5:51 AM

Right Wing News said:

Via Instapundit, Michelle Cottle and Christopher Orr of The New Republic caution Democrats and the media (ah, heck, why do I even bother to separate them?): Watching Palin operate over the past few years has been like witnessing a dramatic...

September 3, 2008 1:36 PM