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I wouldn't pay all that much attention to hints that people like Mark Halperin or Howard Fineman are dropping about the VP selection process.

Why not? Their sources are too good -- meaning too close to the process. There are differences between information brokers, which is what someone like Mark Halperin is, and information seekers, which is more like what someone like Marc Ambinder is. In a process as tightly-controlled as the Obama VP rollout, the brokers might have more information than the seekers -- but all of the information they'll have will be things that the Obama campaign wants them to know. The seekers are more likely to learn something that they aren't supposed to know.

With that out of the way, there is exactly one clue that I consider to be worth worrying about, and that is the timing of the announcement. It is now Friday morning at 1:12 AM Central Time. The Democratic convention kicks off in about 75 hours. The identity of the VP is not known. You can send up trial balloons, send out false information, bluff and posture and play-act as much as you like ... but you can't get that time back.

There is very little time left to roll-out and brand the candidate. As Stu Rothenberg notes, it is actually the norm rather than the exception to have the VP named relatively close to the convention. Still, there is cutting it close, and then there is leaving yourself no time at all. Geraldine Ferraro and Al Gore were named 4 days before the opening gavel at the convention, Lloyd Bentsen 6 days, Joe Lieberman 8 days, and John Edwards 20 days ... so this pick will set the modern record for the Democrats, although the Republicans have sometimes waited even longer.

And this year, the circumstances are especially poor for a late roll-out. The pre-convention coverage will have to compete with the Closing Ceremonies. The convention coverage will have to compete with The Clinton Show. There isn't really a post-convention period, since the Republicans will hold their convention the week after.

If you leave yourself with a candidate who hasn't been adequately branded, you give yourself two problems. One, the Obama-Who? Effect, i.e. underscoring the fact that Obama is inexperienced and unknown. And two, the fact that the candidate won't have the stature to draw large crowds on the campaign trail, or to maximize their exposure as a potential surrogate for you.

All of this points strongly to the known knowns: Joe Biden or Hillary Clinton. In the polling that Rasmussen conducted last month, these were the percentage of likely voters who knew enough about the respective candidates to have formed an opinion about them:

Clinton    98%
Biden 69%
Bayh 51%
Kaine 40%
Sebelius 39%
For comparison, here are some of the Republicans:
Romney     89%
Huckabee 85%
Lieberman 85%
Crist 53%
Jindal 43%
Pawlenty 42%
Palin 30%
Google Trends reveals similar numbers: Clinton and Biden are well ahead of the other candidates:



...and since Clinton was apparently fairly lukewarm in her support of Obama on the campaign trail in Florida today, that would tend to point toward Biden ... then again, it's not even clear that the candidates have been informed of their status yet.

--Nate Silver 

Posted: Friday, August 22, 2008 2:47 AM with 14 comment(s)

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AaronBBrown said:

Obama will win Florida.

And the Clintons will be forgotten like the ugly bad memory, and the disgrace to the nation and the Democratic Party which they quite obviously are.  After this election Americans will perhaps finally realize that we need not settle for third-rate hacks, or Republicans in Democratic clothing, whose overarching personal ambition vastly outstrips their ability to lead.

Up the Republic!

Obama 08, Integrity, Leadership, Progress

August 22, 2008 5:58 AM

lymon1 said:

I love it when folks rich enough to afford a subscription to The New Republic tell us that the administration for the only extended period of peace and prosperity in my lifetime "will be forgotten like the ugly bad memory and the disgrace to the nation and the Democratic Party which they quite obviously are."  By they way Aaron, *to date* please name the specific acomplishment of Senator Obama that makes him first-rate (other than winning political races)?

August 22, 2008 6:54 AM

tnmats said:

"Rich enough to afford a subcription to The New Republic"?  Ya mean $30/year for a magazine subscription is considered rich?  New on me.  I thought $5 million and up/year in income was rich according to John McCain, lymon1's prefered candidate for president.  I don't make anywhere near that kind of money but can afford $30/year for a magazine.

August 22, 2008 8:39 AM

Eos said:

Aaronbbrown:

I have trouble imagining how your "mind" works. Clinton is the ONLY Democrat elected twice to the presidency in 75 years. He was a racial unifier, eliminated the deficit and produced a surplus, was a world leader, presided over a prosperous economy, and--through the work of his foundation on AIDS in Africa--has done more for the suffering of the world in the years since his Presidency ended than has Obama or anyone else living today. You need to get out more.

I guess thier "obvious" "disgrace" is why they have such prominent roles at Obama's convention and why he needs them so desperately.

August 22, 2008 8:50 AM

ratnerstar said:

I remember when I was a teenager and everyone at school envied that one kid with the parents rich enough to afford a subscription to the New Republic.  At recess, he'd sit on the bleachers reading Ruth Shalit and flirting with all the pretty girls, in world from which I was completely excluded.  It hurt, but I swore that one day, I'd be rich and successful, and I'd be the guy reading TNR.

Of course, I can only afford an online subscription now, but one day, man, one day....

August 22, 2008 9:04 AM

michael said:

At least Crowley gets to the point and hasn't used much space to keep the VP fires burning. Not Nate. He begins by telling he wouldn't pay much attention to the guys at TIME and NEWSWEEK (their sources are too good). By the time I got though Nate's stats, graphs and logic his best guess had him "point toward Biden", Uh-huh, just like all the people with the sources...some were "too good". [?]

Thanks Nate. And I was up till about 2AM (EST).  But I'd overdosed on politics before midnight, switched to beer and watched 'Grosse Pointe Blank'. I hadn't seen it since it came out, it wasn't as great as I expected but was a good way to wind down. Or, maybe it was the beer. I can't prove it with stats or graphs but it was either beer or the movie. Then again? I did listen to some of the tunes from the film (Townshend, The Clash) which took me well past 2AM (EST) and I had another beer. And as I hit 'Submit' I still know as little as I did yesterday...but I think that is the real point.

August 22, 2008 9:09 AM

Rhubarbs said:

Nobody knows nuthin. The signs are so obvious, it's just shocking that the "journalists" and "pundits" can't see what's going on here. It's gonna be Brian Schweitzer. Sure, he's a successful, culturally authentic Western governor with personal experience working in the Middle East who speaks Arabic. But mainly, it's about the power of Schweitzer's Jewish-sounding name to confuse large cohorts of people stupid enough to believe Obama is a Muslim. Yeah, I'm talking about you, Palm Beach County.

It's been obvious for weeks now. Unless Schweitzer is a feint meant to throw us off the trail of Dave Freudenthal. Just say "Obama-Freudenthal" out loud three times. It's obvious!

By the way, nobody knows nuthin about John McCain's pick, either. It's gonna be Tom Clancy.

(Any other last-minute absurd picks? Remember, the VP usually isn't one of the "known knowns.")

August 22, 2008 10:21 AM

Crock1701 said:

Can we at least stop with the canard  that Bill Clinton was amazing, "he was the only Democrat reelected in 75 years!"  This is true in the barest of facts, because he was only the second Democrat elected since FDR that lived to get the chance to run for re-election.  FDR died in Office 3 months after his 4th inaugural, and Harry Truman served almost the entirity of the word.  His victory in 1948 was a re-election in all but name.  Moreover, the Democrats under Johnson held the White House in 1964, certainly less of a re-election than 1948 (LBJ had been in office for a tad under a year by November 1964, rather than three and a half) but still preserved a Democratic victory four years prior.  Of Incumbent Democratic Presidents since Grover Cleveland, only Carter has lost a general election.  Wilson, FDR, Truman, and Johnson all won theirs.  

August 22, 2008 10:29 AM

ratnerstar said:

Obama/Phelps 08!

August 22, 2008 10:41 AM

Rhubarbs said:

Hey, can I amplify Crock's implicit praise of Grover Cleveland? Man doesn't get enough respect. Sure, his second term was a bit of a disaster, but his first term was one of the best of the 19th century, and the man won three straight presidential elections. Even the sainted Bill Clinton -- yes, I still have his bust on my desk -- didn't win three straight popular votes.

I wish Democrats would show a little more respect to Cleveland. (And a lot less respect to Wilson.)

August 22, 2008 10:58 AM

boxofrox said:

Mickey Mouse could have overseen the tech inspired economy which occurred during the Clinton years. Nothing but black on the balance sheets makes managing the economy a nice little gig if you can get it.

August 22, 2008 11:00 AM

lesserliz said:

Truman didn't run for reelection in '52 because he was despised. LBJ didn't run in '68 because he was despised. Clinton only won because Perot siphoned off GOP voters and thus had to govern as a DINO.

August 22, 2008 11:58 AM

ironyroad said:

Yes but if Clinton could have run again in 2000 he'd have won hands down even though he was despised.

August 22, 2008 1:46 PM

mjmckay said:

heh heh Rhubarbs said "bust" and "Clinton" in the same post.  And didn't Grover Cleveland once kill a hooker?  Back when I was in college my subscription to TNR cost something like $80 - it was crazy money. (Think how much Burgie that represents!)

August 22, 2008 3:52 PM