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COLUMNISTS
TODAY'S STORIES
05.08.2008
Evan Bayh Is Not a Stealth Conservative

The powers that be seem to have decreed this Evan Bayh Week on the veep speculation front, and Nate Silver has a nice post (from which the above chart is drawn) questioning the conventional wisdom that Bayh is a Republican in a Democrat's clothing. As he puts it, "there is no senator more liberal than Bayh in any state more conservative than Indiana." This is somebody from a deep red state who has voted against extending the Bush tax cuts; against confirming John Bolton, John Roberts, and Sam Alito; against the gay marriage amendment; against cloture on cutting the estate tax; in favor of comprehensive immigration reform; in favor of S-CHIP expansion; in favor of stem-cell research; in favor of restrictions on detainee treatment; and in favor of the Iraq troop-withdrawal funding bill. He even opposed CAFTA. It's true that he sided with Republicans on tort reform, partial-birth abortion, and a flag-burning amendment, but do Democrats really want to be the kind of party that makes litmus tests out of those issues?

There are two more legitimate, and related, concerns, that can be leveled against Bayh--that he voted for the Iraq war, and that his relative liberalism of the past few years isn't authentic (though how important authenticity in policy views is is certainly open to debate). Bayh's voting record has been distinctly more liberal in the current Congress and the previous one than it was before that, presumably (at least in part) because Bayh had begun contemplating a run for national office. But it's also true that the American public has apparently become at least somewhat more liberal in the past few years than it was before that. (And making a litmus test even out of the war vote might alienate the broad majority of voters that supported the war at the time.) Surely Bayh could give a convincing monologue to the effect of, "Yes, my views have evolved in response to events. Yours probably have, too. The question is, why have John McCain's views evolved in the opposite direction?"

One final point in Bayh's favor is that of all the all the names being prominently floated in the veepstakes, Bayh might be the only one who stands a realistic chance of swinging a state to the Democratic column. In most cases, the notion that a veep pick can swing a state is overblown, but there are a handful of circumstances under which it seems to be more likely--particularly when the state is a relatively small one with a tradition of retail politics, and when the politician is such an established name that voters feel a real sense of loyalty to him or her. Indiana may be at the borderline of being too large, but by all accounts Bayh commands a type of respect there that's simply on a different level from what, say, Tim Kaine would bring in Virginia. Putting him on the ticket is probably still worth, at most, three or four points in Indiana, but this year that could end up being enough to give the state to Obama.

--Josh Patashnik 

Posted: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 12:10 PM with 14 comment(s)

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BHLnyc said:

What's also interesting about this table is the fact that Obama is closer to the center than is McCain.

August 5, 2008 12:30 PM

prnoonan said:

"It's true that he sided with Republicans on tort reform, partial-birth abortion, and a flag-burning amendment, but do Democrats really want to be the kind of party that makes litmus tests out of those issues?"

I used to think we'd progressed somewhat on this interest-group b.s.  Sadly, the past few months have corrected me.  And I'm sure some other interest groups would be on the warpath over this (www.bilerico.com/.../an_answer_from.php)...

Maybe we should nominate Lieberman again for Veep... he's always been a great "check-the-interest-group-box" Democrat?

August 5, 2008 12:44 PM

propositionjoe said:

That Bayh had the fortitude to vote against the gay amendment issue while representing Indiana, I think, is telling. Bill Clinton probably would not have done that. Flag burning? Whatever. Texas v. Johnson protects that right, and if he's voting against Alito and Roberts, then that signals what he  really means in this regard. I don't like his Iraq war vote, but if he could swing Indiana (and I have my doubts), then he might be worth a stretch.  In short, treating gay people like citizens matters in a way that flag burning does not. The former is the real civil liberty, the real civil right in question.

August 5, 2008 1:09 PM

Wandreycer1 said:

We may make fun of the VP speculation frenzies, but I learn about the people involved in concise ways I wouldn't otherwise.  I also like how they all start interviewing by going on the talkshows, who knew Bayh was such a smooth counter-punch?  

I have gone from finding Bayh too dull to seeing him as an excellent VP choice thanks to my friends in the press doing their jobs.  Gracias!

August 5, 2008 1:14 PM

guptatomic1 said:

Bayh has a lot of the advantages (and disadvantages) of an Al Gore 16 yrs ago.  A relative liberal, part of a beloved political dynasty in his home state.  He's served as successful gov and sen, has foreign and domestic policy chops (will be able to convincingly speak to blue-collar workers about the challenges they face w/out pulling a J Edwards and getting all smarmy about his mill-worker dad).  He's wooden on the stump, but you don't want anyone who's going to outshine your main man (and you esp don't want anyone who will garner more comparisons to Paris and Brittney).  And he has that handsome white boy blandness about him, which, as wandrey notes, he uses to get some very deft hits in.  He was going to be Hilary's veep pick -- but I think he works even better as Obama's.

(full disclosure:  recovering Hoosier)

August 5, 2008 2:07 PM

rozenson said:

This is Evan Bayh week? Ugh. The press are torturing me here. Before I was an Obama person, and before I was a Mark Warner person for a short time until he dropped out, I was a Bayh person. He had everything I was looking for, but seemed a little too genteel for most people. And then he endorsed Clinton (stab in the heart!) He's a talented man, but I've got that weird feeling about him the same way I do about someone who I had a big crush on and then discovered they weren't as wonderful as I thought.

August 5, 2008 2:48 PM

Rhubarbs said:

gup, I like your analogy, but it's worth remembering that Gore was not "wooden on the stump" in 1992. In 1992, Gore was electric on the stump, and actually much better at working rallies and large crowds than was Clinton. Clinton was much better on TV, and was as he still is the all-time master of the intimate moment. But in 1992, Al Gore was second to none in rocking a crowd.

But I'm thoroughly persuaded of Bayh's merits. I still think Brad Henry is the best choice, but I'm willing to consider Bayh a close second. Still has the problem of the ticket name; say "Obama-Bayh" out loud three times and tell me your mouth doesn't start involuntarily turning it into "Buh-Bye."

Side note: McCain is the third- or fourth-most conservative member of the U.S. Senate? Really? Wow.

August 5, 2008 3:05 PM

michael said:

On the ground, here in Indiana.

What is Barack's next hurdle in Indiana, even after a 20+ point Bush win is not a factor? Indiana has a Republican governor up for re-election. (I expect the formatting below to be a nightmare)

Pollster                          Dates      N/Pop       Daniels(R)      Long Thompson(D)  Undecided

TargetPoint (R-Daniels)  7/13-22/08 3000 RV         53                   35                 -

Bellwether (R)               6/22-29/08 1000 LV         50                   36                 -

SurveyUSA               6/21-23/08  627 LV         50                   45                 5

Yes, Bayh's pluses are impressive as he was a two term governor, he won his second Senate term in a walk and does well with downstate R's. Sharing the ticket with Obama would seem to be good for the few points Obama needs.  But I think it will be decided by the governor (see above) and his organization versus an impressive ground effort of Obama with a couple dozen local offices (to McCain's none). Bayh was glued to Hillary and her lead shriveled to 1 point...Barack got this far without him. So far, Obama has done well and is not drawing national bucks or McCain, here. Let the governor win without having the GOP raise the stakes in a fight against Obama, and Barack will do OK. Put Bayh on the ticket and Daniels surrenders his machine to the RNC while Bayh is running around the US.  I think Barack can lose with Bayh on the ticket, (and drawing more heat to the state). Obama stands a better chance to win if Bayh stays home, works his guts out for Obama and doesn't raise the stakes here so the RNC must exploit Daniels' network.

August 5, 2008 3:21 PM

cspencef said:

Bayh looks like too transparent a play for electoral votes.  With someone like Kaine there's the simpatico factor; those two hit it off a long time ago, whereas Bayh was on the other candidate's bandwagon.  Too blatant.  And I don't know that Bayh stands apart as that much more capable of governing than other names on the list.

August 5, 2008 4:55 PM

AlanSP said:

I started mentioning Bayh as a VP option a couple months ago for largely the same reasons that guptatomic mentions.  In fact, my thought process was basically trying to think of people today who were most like Al Gore in 1992.  One other important advantage for Bayh (and for Gore at the time) is that he's very young given the amount of experience he has.  In 8 years, he'll be 60, easily young enough for a run of his own if he's up to it.  As much as I love, say, Joe Biden, in 8 years, he'll be even older than McCain is now.  Bayh's combination of youth and experience is pretty rare.

August 5, 2008 5:54 PM

ifearpopmusic said:

I'm surprised that no one else has noticed the irony of Clinton's position. The inter-party regression line passes directly through her--triangulation, for the win.

August 5, 2008 8:18 PM

simon greenwood said:

He may be liberal for an Indiana senator, but the VP slot isn't limited to Indianans.  I agree that the DINO noise is a little excessive but from that graph he's definitely in the conservative 1/3rd of democrats so I think far left Obama supporters have another reason to feel betrayed if Bayh gets picked

August 6, 2008 8:28 AM

The Plank said:

My colleague Josh Patashnik and quasi- colleague Nate Silver have done a public service by placing Senator

August 6, 2008 8:31 AM

Political Animal said:

GIVE BAYH A CHANCE?.... Evan Bayh's working group hasn't exactly taken the liberal blogosphere by storm. The reaction has been critical, and the most common complaint is that it's simply a tool for business interests. That fear may prove correct....

March 29, 2009 6:54 PM