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30.07.2008
Guilt by Association?

Both Matthew Yglesias and Eric Alterman claim that I've misrepresnted their views vis a vis J Street, the "pro-Israel, pro-peace," lobby, in this post. In particular they take issue with this paragraph:

The attempt by people like Ben-Ami, Alterman, Yglesias, Klein et.al. to portray their advocacy of unconditional Israeli negotiations with Iran and Hamas, unconditional Israeli territorial concessions, the Palestinian "right of return," (among other extreme positions) as having any truck within the mainstream of Jewish, American or Israeli opinion, while also having the gall to allege that anyone remotely to their right is an extremist, is something that psychologists call "projection.

I ought to have been more precise with the first policy prescription, "Israeli negotiations with Iran." To my knowledge, J Street, as an organization, has not advocated such negotiations, though it does support high-level American-Iranian negotiations without preconditions and falsely claims that a non-binding House resolution strengthening sanctions on Iran is actually a declaration of war. J Street's fervent support of Israeli negotiations with Hamas -- an Iranian proxy group -- is a distinction without much difference.

But the larger question here -- the thing that seems to vex Yglesias and Alterman -- is one of ideological association. Saying that I'm imputing views to him which he doesn't hold, Alterman says I am "simply making that up." But if Alterman and Yglesias now wish to disown large parts of J Street's agenda (i.e., its support for the Arab Peace Initiative) then perhaps they should exercise more discretion in the groups they join and vocally support. Joining an organization like J Street is not like being a member of the Democratic or Republican parties; J Street is a small, single-issue organization with a very specific policy agenda. Alterman is on the group's "advisory council" (as were Klein and Yglesias, according to an initial list I obtained, until their names were removed before the organization went public) and so it's perfectly fair for a reasonable person to conclude that he agrees with the policies advocated by the organization. If he wishes to disassociate himself from J Street's fundamental views he ought to do so explicitly, rather than throwing a tantrum when people assume that he agrees with the views of an organization to which serves as an advisor.

There is something else that needs to be said, as well. It's a bit rich that these notoriously sloppy bloggers are suddenly leaping into action to defend fastidiousness in blogging. Take one recent example, which conveniently implicates both Yglesias and Alterman: Yglesias claimed on his blog that Commentary's Noah Pollak accused Samantha Power of "Jew hatred." This, not to put too fine a point on it, was a lie that has no basis in anything Pollak has written or said. Pollak challenged Yglesias to substantiate his charge, and Julian Sanchez, one of Yglesias' friends, even called him out on the smear. Characteristically, Yglesias hustled along, never to retract his slander. Eric Alterman provided the proverbial icing on the cake by repeating it in The Nation. Here's an example of "progressive" Jews so sensitive to false accusations of anti-Semitism practicing the same tactic they imagine their adversaries use on them. 

And pardon me if I don't take Eric Alterman's faux-outrage about being unfairly maligned all that seriously. This is the man, after all, who finds it funny to crack fatalistic jokes about Andrew Sullivan's HIV status.

--James Kirchick

Posted: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 2:44 PM with 29 comment(s)

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youngda44 said:

Hmmm... 10 words.  I didn't realize it was about Kirchick using "guilt by association" until I got to the part "I misrepresented."  Jamie, do you notice how all of your posts are accusatory and outraged?  You throw together unrelated charges and conflate the various views of others to demonize them.  Would you just stop?  Please?

Oh, and TNR editors, why do you let this 5 year old write for you?  Aren't you embarrassed?  He is a terrible writer, as others often point out, and his opinions are obnoxious.  There are other, better, more sane conservatives out there who are far better than this little brat.  I was a subscriber, but it's guys like this that have made me cancel my subscription when it renews next year.  

July 30, 2008 10:09 AM

Brent said:

Yglesias and Alterman are "notoriously sloppy bloggers"?

Pot meet kettle.

And I'm still waiting for you to name the high level Obama supporter that called McCain "unhinged".

July 30, 2008 10:15 AM

maldini said:

... so it's perfectly fair for a reasonable person to conclude that he agrees with the policies advocated by the organization.

Actually it's not. Let them speak for themselves.

If he wishes to disassociate himself from J Street's fundamental views he ought to do so explicitly, rather than throwing a tantrum when people assume that he agrees with the views of an organization to which serves as an advisor.

Seriously? This passes as publishable at TNR? Grow up.

July 30, 2008 10:23 AM

sbarr13 said:

TNR is becoming completely horse-race obsessed. Throw in Jamie Kirchick's routine airings of dirty laundry, and I'm sick of it. I'm using VoteGopher.com for my political information now. It's pretty nifty.

July 30, 2008 10:26 AM

GSpinks said:

"And I'm still waiting for you to name the high level Obama supporter that called McCain "unhinged"."

I bet its the same anonymous high level Obama supporter who leaked the story about having leaked the note to the media.

July 30, 2008 10:56 AM

tomhilliard said:

This back-and-forth is actually kind of interesting for what it tells me, a subscriber, about TNR's journalistic standards of accuracy. Blogs are expected to be somewhat more freewheeling than articles, but still meeting some institutional standard of factual care. Yet Kirchick's previous post appears to have been inaccurate. Instead of acknowledging any mistakes, Kirchick is now doubling down.

Yglesias and Alterman are both prolific pundits who make a living from advocacy. They clearly believed that Kirchick was really alleging that they had advocated a Palestinian right of return etc. I cannot imagine how any reader of Kirchick's post would think otherwise.  Now that Kirchick has explained his real meaning, I am appalled by his dishonesty. When people join the advisory group of an organization, they are not making a statement that they agree with every position of that organization. That's simply false. Nor can it be said that they are engaged in "advocacy" of various positions that the organization takes. The generally agreed-on term is "endorsement."

Damningly, Kirchick mentions in passing that Yglesias removed his name from J Street's Board of Advisors before it went public. How Kirchick can infer that J Street speaks for a person who disassociated himself from it is a mystery to me. Perhaps he uses the old HUAC standard: "are you now or have you ever been...?"

And I have a question. Kirchick criticizes Yglesias and Alterman for supporting a Palestinian right of return, apparently because this is an official position of J Street. That surprised me, so I checked the website. I don't see any endorsement of a right of return there, although I do see a more moderate position calling for "resolution of the refugee issue that focuses on resettlement in the new state of Palestine, financial compensation and assistance." Can Kirchick or someone else show that J Street really endorses a Palestinian right of return?

July 30, 2008 11:03 AM

kbecker said:

Okay, saying that they have these stances because they're member of J Street (which might have those stances) is tenuous at best. But how can you go on to argue how they're trying to protray those stances when they DON'T ARGUE FOR THEM.

Justify it Kirchick. For once in your blogging career: put up or shut up.

July 30, 2008 11:12 AM

Androscoggin said:

I'm a big TNR fan, but the continued presence of Kirchick on the Plank is making me seriously question the wisdom of the editors. He's small-minded, predictable, humorless, intellectually dishonest, allergic to sustained reflection, and he's a pathological overwriter (at least when not subject to editorial oversight). He has zero self-awareness -- e.g., he has used the words "shrill," "sloppy" and "snarky" to describe other bloggers with no evident sense of irony -- and has proven to be immune to criticism.

Most TNR readers are sufficiently latitudinarian to enjoy smart conservative commentary, but Kirchick -- who supported Rudy "Authority is Freedom" Giuliani, if I recall correctly -- is not the guy to have as your token right-winger. How can anyone at TNR criticize the Times for picking Kristol when you've got this windbag on your staff? Time to cut him loose.

July 30, 2008 11:16 AM

tarfon said:

He isn't fair to J Street either.  He refers to "J Street's agenda (i.e., its support for the Arab Peace Initiative)".  The only reference to that initiative in the J Street webpage to which he cites is the following:

"US leadership can be deployed in these efforts to normalize relations between Israel and the Arab world, utilizing the Arab Peace Initiative and helping to create institutional frameworks for regional cooperation."    A recommendation to "utiliz[e]" the initiative is not exactly "support for" it.  

If I were inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt, I'd call this sloppy.  I'm not.

July 30, 2008 11:26 AM

maldini said:

I second what TomHilliard said. And I also have a question: Kirchick is part of an organization at TNR. Does that mean I can assume everything TNR puts out Kirchick supports? Clearly not. Which is exactly how stupid Kirchick's response is. Kirchick, do some reporting next time and avoid the label of Hack.

July 30, 2008 11:46 AM

jschneller said:

hey jamie--when you completely mischaracterize someone's views, it's not really becoming to completely refuse to acknowledge your mistake because of that person's flimsy "ideological association" with an organization that does not actually hold those views.  

idiot.

July 30, 2008 11:49 AM

Onnword said:

I think you're right, Jamie, and I agree with you.

July 30, 2008 12:29 PM

ejbenjamin said:

Kirchick is like the 50 Cent of Washington punditry.  He makes his name by vicious personal criticism of the A-listers.  He gets attention for awhile with this trick but when the spotlight is on him it quickly becomes clear that he has nothing worthwhile to say.  He never changes his schtick and he's the last one to realize that everyone else has lost interest.

July 30, 2008 12:35 PM

blackton said:

Another Kirchick post, 0 posts in support of him. I have a suggestion for you James, write down such posts on a piece of paper, compliment yourself for writing it and how clever you are, show it to your mother, your two cats, Marty, I don't care, but please keep if offline and keep your little pissing matches private. I don't care about Alterman or Yglesias (I have nothing against them either). Why do you think TNR readers care about your little battle with 2 other bloggers? Your narcissism at TNR is just appalling.

July 30, 2008 12:38 PM

cnalls said:

Let me get this straight.  Alterman is on J Street's advisory council, and Yglesias and Klein used to be on that council.  Therefore, we can assume that Alterman, Yglesias, and Klein agree with all the positions held by J Street -- unless they "explicitly disassociate" themselves from those views.

Okay, Kirchick: You work for TNR.  Therefore, you can be assumed to agree with all the positions held by everyone else who works or writes for TNR.  Unless you explicitly disassociate yourself from the opinions of Chait, Cohn, et al,. we will assume that you share those opinions.  That's only fair, right?  

Sheesh.  Get thee to The Corner, man -- you'll be much more at home.

July 30, 2008 1:02 PM

thejauntyboulevardier said:

good god,

THIS is what this guy posts after he has been called out for his serial dishonesty! More snide non sequiturs and not even a half assed apology.

I second the motion that unless tnr really takes corrective action with this sub par employee, I may join the crowd that is having second thoughts about my subscription. I have spent 25 years getting hammered because of the peretz connection but I didn't really mind that too much because I understood the power of his capital and that reality that as much as I disliked his politics and style, he recognized good talent.

This kirchick germ is just inexplicable to me. I have nuthin' to say when people bring up his oily presence at tnr and I am finding that I am liking it less and less that as a subscriber, I am in effect, supporting his contributions to the magazine. The longer this foul stripling continues to pollute and embarrass tnr, the greater the possibility that I may just throw in the towel.

July 30, 2008 1:04 PM

chrismealy said:

KT was nine (... MY and EA.)

So the bottom line is, MY and EA support J Street, J Street supports right-of-return, therefore MY and EA are bad. Except J Street doesn't support r-o-r. Got it.

July 30, 2008 1:15 PM

ndmackenzie said:

In trotting out all the old canards from the Zionist wingnut lexicon, Noah Pollak clearly insinuated Samantha Power was a "Jew hater"- in the Zionist wingnut definition of Jew hater. Pollak wrote:

- There has been an awakening in recent days to the presence of a disturbing number of foreign policy advisers to the Obama campaign who harbor hostile views of Israel.

-- For one, Power is an advocate of the Walt-Mearsheimer view of the American relationship with Israel.

-- Power is not just assenting to the Israel Lobby view of American foreign policy, but is also arguing that Israel had something to do with the Bush administration’s decision to invade Iraq in 2003 - an appalling slander, and a telling one.

-- Does anyone think that if the time comes that Power has President Obama’s ear, she will advise him to do anything other than repudiate America’s greatest ally in the Middle East in favor of appeasing its greatest enemy?

www.commentarymagazine.com/.../2085

Pollak and Kirchick are the last two finalists on Americas Next Worst Blogger show.

July 30, 2008 1:28 PM

tomhilliard said:

Jaunty, you express my feelings as well. I'm fine with conservative or likudnik writers at TNR. Keeps me on my toes. But every Kirchick post seems designed to showcase that this magazine has no respect for factual analysis or intelligent discourse. Of course, other writers at TNR show great respect for these values. But a grossly unprofessional writer who keeps getting published makes me wonder about the professionalism of his editors.

July 30, 2008 1:29 PM

ndmackenzie said:

Josh Marshall joins the fray:

-- Yglesias does a micro-bio on one of DC journalism's rapidly-rising young bullshit artists.

talkingpointsmemo.com/.../206143.php

July 30, 2008 1:31 PM

ndmackenzie said:

Over at Swampland, Joe Klein reams Kirchick and his friends so hard their teeth popped out:

-- I have now been called antisemitic and intellectually unstable and a whole bunch of other silly things by the folks over at the Commentary blog. They want Time Magazine to fire or silence me. This is happening because I said something that is palpably true, but unspoken in polite society: There is a small group of Jewish neoconservatives who unsuccessfully tried to get Benjamin Netanyahu to attack Saddam Hussein in the 1990s, and then successfully helped provide the intellectual rationale for George Bush to do it in 2003. Their motivations involve a confused conflation of what they think are Israel's best interests with those of the United States. They are now leading the charge for war with Iran.

www.time-blog.com/.../when_extremists_attack.html

July 30, 2008 1:33 PM

ndmackenzie said:

Ezra Klein writes:

-- In recent years, AIPAC -- and many other organizations and actors who use the term "ant-semite" as a tool of intimidation and not a descriptor of hatred -- proved it. They attacked voices who weren't inclined to back down. They assailed Walt and Mearsheimer only to find that the smear campaign had done nothing but act as publicity for the W&M thesis, and spurred other writers to make almost identical arguments. Now they're trying it on Joe Klein, and are finding that the wages of that campaign are a lot of criticism from an incredibly public and well-known writer and pundit. Their problem is that they bought into their own reputation, they believed too fully that they could fire offending writers and thinkers, that they could shut down all dissent and criticism. And so, in the end, the impression of their past success -- which they leveraged so elegantly in recent years -- is the exact force that's dissolving the boundaries they've placed on the conversation.

www.prospect.org/.../ezraklein_archive

July 30, 2008 1:36 PM

Geoff G said:

Well, I just re-upped my subscription, not because I like Jamie, but because I like the rest of the writers quite a bit (with the exception of he who provides the money, of course). I also like to play the KT game, though lately it hasn't been as much fun because it occurs too early in his columns. The most fun KT moment is when you're a couple of paragraphs in and  think you're reading a respectable writer, then the Kirchick blast seems to come from nowhere to turn the column from something that might be informative and even slightly true into an attack that even his mother would recognize as false. Finally, I like to read (and write!) the comments to his posts. If Mr. K's patron decides to relieve him of his duties so he can grace the pages of a non-reality-based publication, I won't complain, and won't feel a loss, but as long as he's here, I'm happy with the lemonade that comes from the lemons.

July 30, 2008 1:46 PM

jobeek2 said:

Wow, Kirchik sure starts flailing around wildly when caught out in a fib, doesnt he? My goodness.

July 30, 2008 2:34 PM

ndmackenzie said:

Eric Alterman puts up an email he received from Jeremy Ben-Ami the head of J Street:

-- The Kirchick piece is so filled with misstatements it's really criminal.

Ben-Ami then goes on to explain J Street's actual positions, in contrast to Kirchick's rabid fantasies about them, before ending with:

-- So on all counts -- every time that Kirchick purports to state what J Street stands for he -- quite simply -- lies.

-- And there is no assumption that members of the Advisory Council agree with our policy positions -- just as there is no requirement that the candidates we endorse agree with all our positions.

mediamatters.org/.../200807300003

Kirchick exemplifies THE great tragedy of American journalism - plagiarism is a career-ending sin while lying appears to have no real consequence.

July 30, 2008 3:12 PM

jfelliott said:

I assume The New Republic owns all of Mr. Kirchik's Plank posts, yes?  They should collect them all into a collection used by rhetoric professors to illustrate the various logical and argumentative fallacies that really unsuccessful debaters use.

July 30, 2008 6:06 PM

thejauntyboulevardier said:

I always assume that when the tnr payaso cites the "positions" of other journlists, he is lying. I don't even question that anylonger. But now, according the the mack link, he is even misrepresenting the positions of J Street.

Does this lying hoodlum have salacious photos of marty or sour leon doing the nasty with oh, I don't know, Arafat's corpse or shining George Soros' shoes or secretly eating peanuts with Jimmy Carter or something worse?  Why oh why does tnr continue to keep this embarrassment on board?  

Man, tolerance of this kind of incompetence does not inspire continued loyalty to the old rag.

July 30, 2008 7:55 PM

aazlant said:

On the one hand, Kirchick really needs to relax and to stop frothing at any writing that's vaguely anti-AIPAC policy. It's embarrassing.

On the other, he does a useful job of collecting writers who seem to feel justified discussing U.S. Iranian policy darkly without, you know, discussing Iranian behavior at all. I mean, once upon a time Yglesias was willing to take a nuanced position that contained arguments contrary to netroots doctrine, but he's just predictably uninformed and partisan now.

July 31, 2008 10:44 AM

medan said:

If The New Republic does not part ways with Mr. Kirchick my subscription will not be renewed.

August 1, 2008 12:56 AM