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14.07.2008
Was the New Yorker Cover Gutsy?

Getting back on topic--which is apparently this New Yorker cover--Time's Michael Scherer writes that New Yorker editor David Remnick 

has more guts--for good or ill, I'm not sure--than the entire hotel bar at a Magazine Publishers of America conference.

But reading this interview Remnick did with Huffington Post, you get the distinct sense that he didn't see this controversy coming:

Normally I'd want the work to speak for itself — normally I'd not want to explain jokes, or short stories, or a piece of non-fiction that we publish — people always read things the way they're going to read them. In this case, since I see that it's stirred the pot somewhat, and some people have misinterpreted it very quickly, I'm talking to you.

In other words, I don't know if it was necessarily a gutsy move on Remnick's part to run the cover, since he didn't think anyone would object. As Remnick says in the same interview:

The idea that we would publish a cover saying these things literally, I think, is just not in the vocabulary of what we do and who we are.

And that, of course, is precisely what's wrong with the cover: the image is satirical only because it appears on the cover of the New Yorker, which, we all know, is a right-thinking magazine read by right-thinking people who couldn't possibly be among the 10 percent of Americans who believe Obama's a Muslim. The New Yorker assumes everyone knows it's being ironic with its cover, sort of the way the white hipster in a gentrifying neighborhood assumes everyone knows he's being ironic when he wears a "Stop Snitching" t-shirt. But put that image on the cover of National Review, or that t-shirt on a black person in a crime-infested neighborhood, and the message takes on a very different meaning.

Update: TalkBacker epicciuto objects that "the fact that the image is satirical only because it appears on the cover of the New Yorker can't be what makes it wrong" and goes on to argue:

Stephen Colbert is funny just because what he says ironically would be taken as literal if it were spoken by someone with different known characteristics (such as, say, O'Reilly).

But I disagree. Colbert takes on the lunatic persona of the right-wing talk show host and then adds even more layers of lunacy. O'Reilly, for instance, give his book the absurd but straightforward title Kids Are Americans, Too; Colbert gives his the equally absurd but totally nonsensical title I Am America (and So Can You!). See the difference? The problem with the New Yorker cartoon--or the hipster's Stop Snitching tee--is that it's just mimicking and not actually adding to what it's trying to comment on.

--Jason Zengerle 

Posted: Monday, July 14, 2008 9:57 AM with 38 comment(s)

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epicciuto said:

The fact that the image is satirical only because it appears on the cover of the New Yorker can't be what makes it wrong. Any recognition of satire or irony requires that we recognize that the author or speaker does not intend her comments to be taken literally. Spoken by someone else who has different enough characteristics, in each case, we might assume different intentions and take those statements literally. Stephen Colbert is funny just because what he says ironically would be taken as literal if it were spoken by someone with different known characteristics (such as, say, O'Reilly). Satire and irony necessarily require us to recognize the intentions of the author. Unless you want to rule out satire and irony entirely, this is not a principled reason to object to the cover.

Possible objections might be: not enough people might recognize the authors' true intentions in this case. The impact of the statement overwhelms any implied winks. And so forth. But the objection should not simply be that it would be taken literally if printed elsewhere.

July 14, 2008 10:33 AM

teplukhin2you said:

YES. Exactly my thinking, too. Remnick is the first New Yorker editor who can actually maintain high standards and produce a lively, readable, fresh magazine every week. Which is why those rumors are probably right that TNY under Remnick actually makes money.

I didn't find the cover particularly funny-- reminded me of that hideous TNY cover showing a heroi-ravaged punk riding in a horse-drawn carriage in Central Park-- but more satire of this campaign generally is a good and welcome thing.

The Obama people really need to lighten up and understand how ridiculous this teen idol campaign has become. Is it true that Obama is now talking about appearing, JFK-style, before the adoring multitudes at the Brandenburg Gate-- _before he's elected_? With the obligatory fist-bump routine? The narcissism of this vapid campaign is really getting out of hand.

July 14, 2008 10:41 AM

Rhubarbs said:

But this cartoon is so ridiculous that it would be funny even if it appeared on the cover of National Review. Some things are funny precisely because they cannot be taken seriously, and in fact they're funnier if they are intended to be taken seriously. Why, for example, is the idea of a Broadway musical titled "Springtime for Hitler" funny, and not offensive? Not because of the context that Mel Brooks couldn't possibly mean to put on an actual musical called "Springtime for Hitler." No, it's funny because it's patently ridiculous on its face, and it would be funnier if someone actually tried to put on such a musical for real, since the only thing funnier than laughing _with_ someone about a ridiculous thing they say in jest is laughing _at_ someone about a ridiculous thing they say earnestly.

July 14, 2008 11:03 AM

lamh31 said:

You know what,

I would bet that the marjoirty of the people who "don't" think this is a big deal or not african american or muslim american.  

I don't blame the artist, it's the editors of the new yorker who decided to run with this caricature.  But I can't say that I'm surprised.  The New Yorker mag subscribers are the mainly white liberals, who may see the satrie in this, but I would bet if the New yorker had a larger number of african american subscribers, then they would have thought twice about putting this image on the cover.

The sad thing is that being an African-American myself the idea that we are supposed to not be upset "because it's satire" is bullshit!!  If this image was on the cover of "the national review" or on the front page of some right wing hate site, then would we still be told to "see the satire" in it.

I've learned that there are 2 types of funny when it comes to racial insenstivity: 1) funny HAHA, and 2) funny, sad.  to most african americans who woke up this morning to hear/see this cover, it's definitely not funny HAHA to us.

Besides, to some people the Sambo image was satire too.  Should I not be upset by that either.

July 14, 2008 11:31 AM

lamh31 said:

I'm so glad that white american thinks this cover is so funny.

I can tell ya that most of black america don't.

But we are not the New Yorker's primary constituency so who cares... right?

July 14, 2008 11:32 AM

JosephCuomo said:

Jason Zengerle-

You write: "The problem with the New Yorker cartoon--or the hipster's Stop Snitching tee--is that it's just mimicking and not actually adding to what it's trying to comment on."

If the New Yorker cartoon isn't an obvious parody (if it isn't "adding to what it's trying to coment on"), then what the hell is a parody?

You may remember, Jason, that when the Colbert Report was less than a year old, there were commenters on the Right (most memorably at National Review), who applauded SC: PRECISELY BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T SEE THE IRONY.

Which is to say, if the people one is parodying don't recognize the parody, that doesn't mean that the joke didn't work.

It means that the people one is parodying have just demonstrated that they very much deserve the ridicule.

July 14, 2008 11:36 AM

JosephCuomo said:

One more thing, Jason-

Do you seriously think that strapping a machine gun onto Michelle Obama (in the NYer cartoon) is NOT "adding to what it's trying to coment on"? Is NOT an exaggeration? Is NOT an obvious--extremely obvious--parody?

July 14, 2008 11:46 AM

BHLnyc said:

Where is everyone's sense of humor? Call me crazy, but I just don't get what the fuss is about. The New Yorker was simply doing what the New Yorker does best (and often). The illustration was obviously ironic and I don't think it's up to the editors to worry about whether it would have been read differently if it was on the cover of National Review, Soldier of Fortune or Parade. The Obama campaign rightfully dismissed it when asked for comment -- they really didn't have much choice -- but they shouldn't obsess about this any further. And neither should anyone else.

July 14, 2008 11:48 AM

mollysimon said:

Just let me know when the New Yorker has a crazy-eyed, nut job McCain about to go postal from a Viet Nam induced flashback.  Then I'll laugh.  Oh, how I'll laugh.  

Actually, most New Yorker humor is pretty lame.  It's of that "Ha, ha, ha, oh, my!" variety.

July 14, 2008 11:50 AM

waynejm said:

The reason that the cover is so problematic is, ironically,  that The New Yorker is so damn good at this sort of thing.  Most conservative commentary and editorial cartooning that tries to pass as "humor" is so self-consciously ideological, heavy-handed and lame (see, e.g,  Fox's Half-Hour News Hour) that "conservative humor" is practically an oxymoron.  TNY has handed Fox and the rest of the right-wing commentariat a gift here.  They can - and will - get away with showing the cover ad nauseam, representing the flap over the cover's appropriateness as "news."  It's a win-win for the right.  They get to reinforce their audience's worst stereotypes of Obama while avoiding criticism for doing so.

July 14, 2008 11:57 AM

Wandreycer1 said:

Why Tep, ascribing the worst possible motives to the Obama campaign, how very unlike you.

As Gavriel said on another post, if satire needs to be explained - you bombed.  My initial impulse was to laugh.The brain donor discourse on the right towards Obama (Hussein = terrorist) roundly deserves mocking and I hope political cartoonists keep it up after this.  We need it.  

But I did look at it again after all the hoopla and reading some of the posters I respect so much here on TNR who were offended.

This time, I noticed Michelle's hair.

I try not to be touchy on identity issues, but come on. It stopped being as funny for me right then.  You are on to something on New Yorker demographics lam31.

July 14, 2008 11:59 AM

skipper2379 said:

But at a certain level of open absurdity, satire gets into a tricky position. The funniest parts of the Daily Show tend to be the unadulterated clips they show of politicians being jerks and idiots. This caricature of Obama is amazingly absurd--as in, I personally have absolutely no idea how someone could believe it. As such, I think some open repetition in a manner that mocks the caricature is basically good.

July 14, 2008 1:01 PM

cspencef said:

It can't possibly be given credit for being gutsy.  If he thought there would be no controversy, there's no risk.  If he expected controversy, with concomitant media attention and spike in curiosity sales, there's high reward.  No guts either way.

July 14, 2008 1:46 PM

geoffgraham said:

Would the cartoon have been funnier if it had had an Obama campaign logo at the top and a tagline at the bottom: "The Anti-American President Anti-Americans Have Been Waiting For"?

July 14, 2008 3:02 PM

ChanRobt said:

Gutsy?!  Give me a break.  it hardly takes any guts for The New Yorker to do a cover that anyone of its usual readers will get is in support of their golden boy.

Meanwhile, JoeCuomo, the cover was not parody, it was satire.  Parody is a lesser form of humor that any jokerr can get.

July 14, 2008 4:22 PM

psantillana said:

tep, JFK didn't give his speech about being a Berliner, which is apparently some kind of pastry, in front of the Brandenburg gate, and also the BG is allegedly a pretty typical spot to give speeches in, used by a whole raft of people less famous than BO. You're just jealous and hate the popular kids, and should admit it.

cspencef: exactly! Not gutsy,  but naive, as in "what, the whole of America doesn't recognize this as satire of the right wing?" That famous New Yorker cover of what America looks like to a citizen of New York, that satire of provincialism applies fantastically to the New Yorker itself here.

The fact is that if you click a few inches lower on this very page, onto the Spine, you get people who would view that cartoon as a perfect caricature of the Obamas themselves. To say that this is so extreme as to be impossible to take seriously - well, that's the point of caricature, to be extreme to make a point.

If the Nation had a cover of George Bush as a drooling idiot with a dunce cap, and chimplike features dragging his knuckles on the pavement - why do I think they already have? - would anybody say it's a obviously a satire of the left-wing media?

July 14, 2008 4:26 PM

ChanRobt said:

Wandrey, my dear, so glad you're on the side of intelligence and nuance as you are so often.  

Shades of Ms. Paglia to whom I often turn for true insights and cutting through the crap and cant of modern right-think culture.

To me the most surprising part of all this is not that some people didn't get it, but that the Obama campaign had such a flat-footed, conventional response.

If Obama and friends were such new, intelligent, nuanced politicians as we keep hearing, they would not have feigned such umbrage and outrage.  

The would and should have said that they understand that the cover was intended to lampoon looney enemies of Obama, but that it could easily be misunderstood by those without the sensibility that understands satire.

July 14, 2008 4:26 PM

ChanRobt said:

waynejm, I agree with you that Right Wing Humor is an oxymoron and regret that it is so ham-handed.

There are exceptions:  P.J. O'Rourke.  Christopher Buckley (who is kind of in the middle, really).  And, to a great extent, SNL, which if you'll consider their targets over the past 35 years, often hits the pious and the pieties of the Left as much if not more than they cream the Right.

And the National Lampoon has often not been nearly as Lefty in its sensibilities as the college from which is sprang.

July 14, 2008 4:31 PM

ChanRobt said:

lamh31 when you write, "...I'm so glad that white american thinks this cover is so funny. I can tell ya that most of black america don't..." it's like saying black Americans aren't too bright.

I hope you are black, because a white guy sure couldn't get away with saying that.

July 14, 2008 4:46 PM

epicciuto said:

Jason, I hear what you're saying. But I don't think it's the fact that something is added that makes Colbert funny. Some of the things he says (not all) *could* come straight from Bill O'Reilly. Sometimes more subtle irony is actually funnier. With the white hipsters wearing "Stop Snitching" shirts, the problem isn't that they haven't added anything, the problem is that they are clearly taking a serious moral issue pretty light-heartedly.

Th problems seem to come when a) people have trouble recognizing it as irony, or b) the content is so offensive anyway that ir overrides the intentions of the author to take it lightheartedly. I think both a and b might be where the NYer went wrong, if it did.

July 14, 2008 4:54 PM

waynejm said:

Channie - I'll allow an exception for libertarian humor.  Libertarians like O'Rourke and Buckley ("Thank You for Smoking") can be side-splittingly hilarious. Llikewise, South Park creators Matt Stone and Trey Parker savage the left as least as often as the right, to devastating effect.  "Team America: World Police" contains some of the most outrageous portrayals of self-absorbed leftie celebrities you'lll ever come across.  And Jon Stewart is an equal-opportunity lampoonist.  I'm not above laughing at the excesses of the left when they are skewered with skill and imagination.

But much if not most of what passes for humor on the right strikes me as exceedingly mean-spirited and far more focused on scoring ideological points than on being funny.

July 14, 2008 4:59 PM

drdannyu said:

Chan, in the next line he refers to black Americans as "we," so I think it's pretty clear that he's black.

July 14, 2008 5:03 PM

jhildner said:

I thought the cover was very funny.  I don't see any reason to take offense.  It's obviously making fun of people who actually hold something like these views -- lampooning right-wing attacks and smears like the "terrorist fist jab" remark by exaggerating them, laughing at them, and thereby calling them stupid.  Now, I can understand concern on the part of the campaign that not everyone will get the joke, but I don't get the claim that the cover actually is offensive.

July 14, 2008 5:10 PM

ChanRobt said:

thanks, danny.  I oughta read more slowly and more carefully.

-chan

July 14, 2008 5:25 PM

Wandreycer1 said:

Channy, I hope you're still checking this thread - I could not ask for a higher compliment:  approval by you AND a comparison to Ms. Paglia (whom I adore) by. Alas, I could not hold a candle to her, she's much more fiercely objective and fearless than I will ever be.  However: gracias gracias.

Jhildner - I see what you are saying, but I think what really happened is that the New Yorker forgot the golden rule of political humor (taught to me by a podcast I l istened to of Colbert on NPR):  First and foremost you. must. be. funny. THEN political.  New Yorker got it backwards with predicable results.  You can't be confusing in any way on what the first priority is.

July 14, 2008 5:26 PM

ChanRobt said:

waynejm, I believe both PLAYBOY and THE WEEKLY STANDARD label certain of their articles as "Parody".

You know someone has a lame sense of humor when he tells you he's about to say something funny.

And, for the record, Playboy is proudly, and quite self-consciously Left.  

The babes are just self-conscious.  But, though they are hypergroomed, I'll look anyway.

July 14, 2008 5:30 PM

ChanRobt said:

Wandrey, don't dispair, Camille Paglia is in a class of her own.  

Her political politics are the opposite of mine.  But her social politics and sexual politics are to me brilliant and almost always spot on.  She has a superb ear for every shade of hypocrisy, predicability, programmed group-think, etc.

As to this cover thing, I agree with you, it wasn't the most brilliant thing they or their betters have ever done.  But, I think it has to be admitted, that if the Obamas were not the target, the pious umbrage would not have been there at all.

And, I remember that outrage against, for instance, Piss Christ didn't get much understanding from either the Left of Liberals.  

It was defended pretty unanimously as art and fair comment as such.  With hardly a nod to the fact that some people's sensibilities might very understandably been assaulted by such art, or satire, or whatever it was specifically positioned as.

July 14, 2008 5:37 PM

The Plank said:

I may be a bit late in weighing in, but a number of people in objecting to this week's New Yorker

July 14, 2008 6:28 PM

JosephCuomo said:

ChanRobt-

You write: ". . .JoeCuomo, the [New Yorker] cover was not parody, it was satire."

Sorry, but a parody imitates the imagery or ideas or turn of phrase of an original so as to make it appear ridiculous.

Which means that the NYer cartoon is indeed a parody (as is the Colbert Report) of the outrageous (outrageous bordering on insane) positions and language and imagery of nutwing commentators, some of whom have tried to suggest, for instance, that Obama is a secret Muslim, and that the fist-bump he and his wife exchanged was a terrorist handshake.

July 14, 2008 7:12 PM

eudoxie said:

If the title on the mashead said THE NATIONAL REVIEW or THE WEEKLY STANDARD

We would not even be having a ' discussion' on whether that racist piece of tripe was ' gutsy'.

It was a racist piece of tripe.

July 14, 2008 7:31 PM

ChanRobt said:

JoeCuomo, I was being a bit of a priss with that-- even if I'm right, and I won't swear in court that I am.

We hardly need to be correcting each other's grammar and vocabulary here where people write quickly.  So, I take it back on general principle.

July 14, 2008 7:34 PM

JosephCuomo said:

ChanRobt-

Your retraction is accepted. Thanks.

July 14, 2008 7:54 PM

jhildner said:

Wandrey, but that just begs the question as to what's funny.  You could make that same comment about any political humor you didn't think was funny.  All it says is that you didn't think it was funny.  It doesn't explain why you think that.

For example, is it too preachy?  Does it make fun of something or someone you take seriously and think should be taken seriously?  Does it make fun of you?  Does it actually express a hateful attitude, as opposed to making fun of a hateful attitude?  Does it actually express ignorance, as opposed to making fun of ignorance?  Is it too mean-spirited?  Does it misunderstand the thing it's making fun of?  Does it misunderstand the cultural point of reference?  Does it just not make sense?  Does it make light of something that's too horrible to make fun of?  Do you disagree with the political position it's taking?  Is it simply tedious or bland, as opposed to clever?  Many would not find Colbert funny, precisely because they would answer several of these questions in the affirmative.

When I consider the New Yorker cover, I don't answer any of those questions in the affirmative.  It's not making fun of Obama, which I probably wouldn't find funny -- say, that SNL pillow sketch, or a satirical magazine cover depicting Obama as the Messiah.  It's not making fun of me.  It's not itself trafficking in hate or stereotypes, nor does it display ignorance -- rather, it's making fun of those things.  I think it makes perfect sense.  The point of reference -- the false smears against Obama -- is on target.  So, I have trouble taking offense and have trouble understanding why others would.  I don't even regard it as edgy.  It strikes me as a pretty obvious joke -- similar to what the Daily Show does on its segment, Baracknophobia.  (In one such segment, Stewart promised a forthcoming special, "Barack Obama's Vagina:  The October Surprise in His Pants.")

At the same time, there are many out there who obviously understand the joke but find this to be horrible.  Including my mother who, coincidentally, called me at work today to express her outrage about it, and announce that she's canceling her New Yorker subscription.  I confess I don't understand the big deal.

It's not the equivalent of Sambo, as lamh suggests.  Sambo is making fun of black people.  The cover is making fun of racist and/or ignorant people who believe that Obama is radical and un-American.  The cover would never appear on the National Review.  They wouldn't make fun of such attitudes, because doing so is pro-Obama and they're not pro-Obama.  They would be making fun of themselves.  And it's far too extreme to be presented straight -- i.e., non-ironically -- by any mainstream publication.

All that said, there are, I admit, limits to the irony defense.  Pretending to be a virulent racist who makes liberal use of the n-word probably would not work in a stand-up comedy routine, for example, even if your objective is to make fun of racism as opposed to make fun of black people.  The n-word is just too nasty and upsetting.  Not even Sarah Silverman, who makes ironic racist jokes, and ironic holocaust jokes, and ironic 9/11 jokes, and who is brilliant, could get away with that.  I'm getting the sense that something about this cartoon is hitting those sorts of buttons, but I'm not sure what.

July 14, 2008 8:44 PM

The Plank said:

The latest New Yorker cover has been a topic of debate on the blogs, both for its non-illuminating satire

July 14, 2008 9:04 PM

psantillana said:

jhildner:

" I'm getting the sense that something about this cartoon is hitting those sorts of buttons, but I'm not sure what."

You're not sure what? Really?

July 15, 2008 4:17 AM

waynejm said:

Channy - And all this time I assumed that you read PLAYBOY for the articles.  No?

July 15, 2008 1:36 PM

ChanRobt said:

waynejm, I read it for the parody.  Clearly marked.

They didn't have a section marked "Sexual Arousal."  So how was I to know that was the intent?

July 15, 2008 7:58 PM

The Plank said:

TNR started off the week by trouncing The Atlantic at softball and settling in for a Sunday read of Ryan

July 18, 2008 3:28 PM