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06.07.2008
Color Me Skeptical on Georgia Turning Blue

I've been moving at about half-speed for a number of reasons, but there are a couple of polls that have trickled in this weekend. In Rhode Island, Obama leads by 24 according to Rasmussen's first poll of the state. No surprise there. But in Georgia, InsiderAdvantage has John McCain ahead by only 2 points, 46-44, with 4 percent of the vote going to Bob Barr. This is consistent with an InsiderAdvantage poll released two weeks ago that had McCain ahead by 1. But it's inconsistent with other polling of the state, all of which has shown the state within a fairly narrow, 8-10 point range.

I can't scrutinize the internals on the InsiderAdvantage poll because they haven't provided them. Nor for that matter did Rasmussen (which showed McCain with a 10-point lead) break its results down by race. But here is a little bit of a hint -- Rasmussen had Obama trailing 65-32 among Georgians who attend church weekly, and since African-Americans are quite churchgoing in the South, that must mean that he's getting absolutely clobbered with the white persons in this category. There are probably fewer true swing voters in Georgia than in almost any other state, and while Obama has a floor on his numbers that is better than the Democrats have done recently, he probably also has a ceiling.

The Obama campaign's argument, of course, is that it doesn't need swing voters: it just needs to turn out the black vote. But it's not clear that there's a ton of room for improvement. In 2004, African-Americans made up 27.2 percent of Georgia's voting-age citizen population, versus 27.4 percent of its registered voters, and 27.6 percent of people who actually voted (all this data is taken from the US Census Bureau -- exit polling showed a slightly lower share of African-Americans voting in Georgia, about 25 percent).

Georgia is unusual for having not only a substantial black population, but also an especially well-educated and upwardly-mobile black population, and it is entirely plausible that African-Americans voters will turn out in greater proportion than their white counterparts. But I don't see Obama improving his standing with white evangelicals enough to win. Both foreign policy conservatives and fiscal conservatives can probably find enough to like about Obama to consider voting for him. But for religious conservatives, who are voting on a series of issues on which less nuance is possible, I'm not sure that's the case. Sure, you can be for publicly-financed faith-based initiatives and also for gay marriage remaining legal in California, but I don't think the two things cancel out in the same way that you can moderate your position on NAFTA or be hawkish on some elements of national security.

The 50-state Strategy, as well as the nation's changing demographics and the problems in Iraq and with the economy, are slowly beginning to neutralize these issues even in the Deep South, which is why Obama might lose Georgia by 6 or 8 or 10 points rather than John Kerry's 16. Even so, Southern religious conservatives remain the voters that Republicans are most used to reaching out to -- including McCain's chief strategist, who used to do work with the Jesse Helms campaign. Change is inevitable, but it's going to hit Virginia before it hits the Carolinas, and the Carolinas before it hits Georgia.

--Nate Silver

Posted: Sunday, July 06, 2008 12:34 AM with 7 comment(s)

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adlais said:

It seems clear that Georgia is a head fake of the part of the Obama campaign, and is meant to build buzz around a potential landslide, fuel fundraising, and heighten guessing about VP candidates.  I can't see any downside for Obama in pretending to make a run there - it looks bold, helps new voters in other states (read Virginia) feel like they are part of a national wave.  If he comes up short but cuts the Kerry loss, no harm done.

Some suggest instead just camping out in Ohio and Michigan, but this seems like not a good way to win even those states, and feels like a failed strategy from Kerry and Gore.   Better to seem on the upswing across the nation.

July 6, 2008 2:10 AM

rozenson said:

Also, don't let these polls overstate what may be a very miniscule presence in the end for Bob Barr. Third-party and independent candidates from John Anderson to Ross Perot have always polled better than they've finished. Perhaps disaffected voters will tell pollsters they'll vote for a third-party guy and either vote for a major party candidate or not vote at all.

July 6, 2008 2:24 AM

Crock1701 said:

After talking with former Gov, Barnes, I'd say Obama's chances are contingent on three things

1) An enthusiasm factor: African Americans turnout much higher than the Republicans or the rest of the state.

2) Evangelicals, turned off by McCain's singular McCainness, maybe not as worried about Obama on religion if he does good outreach, etc, stay home.

3) Bob Barr picks up enough disaffected Conservatives, mostly in his own old district (that still might be mad at him being redistricted out of a job) to eat into McCain's margin, enough like Perot did in

92 and '96 that made GA competitive.

Personally, living in Georgia I don't see that happening: It'd be the perfect storm against McCain.  Also, they've got the reverse Warner factor here.  Saxby Chambliss is essentially running against a series of nobodys for Senate, he may well help McCain up ticket in Georgia on the conservative side.   If Obama can win Georgia, he probably doesn't need Georgia.  Still, if McCain spends time here, or has to change positions to ramp up the base, that's  a win for Obama anyway.

July 6, 2008 2:37 AM

WaltB said:

Crock1701 - I think you've got it pegged.  What will be interesting is how close Georgia is in November.

July 6, 2008 9:25 AM

ramboorider said:

He doesn't have to have a strong chance to win it. He just needs it to be close enough that, if he starts spending money there, McCain will have to work to make sure it stays red. I think this is all very possible. Even up, Obama doesn't win Georgia, but if he puts a lot of money into it and McCain ignores it, it could flip, so McCain will have to spend resources there. Hence, it is a very useful state to Obama, even if he figures he'll lose it. Like PA in the primaries - Obama was NOT going to win here in PA. But he made Hillary work and spend her a$$ off, outspending her by huge amounts. And she went cold broke from the effort. Her campaign was on life support before that and carrying huge debt afterwards. It was like the Cold War strategy of spending the Russian's into the toilet. When you have substantially more resources, it works. Obama can afford to thrown a good deal of coin into states he's not going to win and still have plent to fight for the states he needs. McCain can't really afford to defend these places and still have enough left for the big fights like Ohio, Colorado, maybe Michegan and Pennsylvania, etc.

July 6, 2008 10:10 AM

michael said:

Nate wrote, "The 50-state Strategy, as well as the nation's changing demographics and the problems in Iraq and with the economy, are slowly beginning to neutralize these issues even in the Deep South.."

That may be but we haven't seen Obama have the luxury of laying siege to states of his choosing for four months.

I think his dollars to keep boots in states will prove (or not) to be more valuable than ad buys. People are less worried about Virginia but I didn't hear much hope before the primary.  No, I don't know which states will tip but I don't envy McCain's very real task to defend while his first goal is to commit and show progress somewhere.  I doubt the GOP can find comfort in Obama shaving Kerry's 16 point loss in half in Georgia and may not have the same certainty as Nate that it will stop there.  

Maybe this race is locked in, now, and not much will happen for four months.  That would be good news for the GOP even if it looks bad, now. But McCain doesn't know which of a dozen or so states could end up being 'a Virginia' and Barack should have the resources to choose his battles.

July 6, 2008 5:21 PM

cspencef said:

crock1701: might it be that the scumbucket Chambliss's lack of viable opposition may have the opposite effect, i.e. the lack of serious opponent dampens any particular urgency in the Senate race and provides no tailwind for McCain?  I can see your #1 happening, less so #2 and #3; what I remember of Georgia evangelicals (why, oh why, doesn't anybody use the word "fundamentalist" anymore?) suggests they'll be easily manipulated into voting against the secret Muslim Obama, and Barr's popularity is incredibly limited outside his old district (again, as best as I can recall, though it's been many years since I lived there and I'll defer to your current experience).

July 6, 2008 9:49 PM