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COLUMNISTS
TODAY'S STORIES
03.07.2008
Flip-Flops: As American as Apple Pie

New numbers from CNN reveal that Americans think both Barack Obama and John McCain are flip-floppers -- but like them just fine anyway:

Sixty-one percent of voters believe that McCain has changed his mind for political reasons; 37 percent do not. Fifty-nine percent of voters believe that Obama also shifts positions with the political winds; 38 percent do not.

That's a change from 2004, according to Holland. “One of the reasons President Bush won reelection in 2004 was that only one-third of voters believed he would change his policy positions because of changing political dynamics. Most voters, on the other hand, believed that John Kerry was a flip-flopper.”

I'm moderately surprised that McCain's number is as high as it is, since the media has tended not to highlight his flip-flops. I'm not one of those people, by the way, that thinks the media is constantly biased in John McCain's direction. I think Obama gets more of the bad from the media, but also more of the good.

But in any event, this underscores one of the points I had made before: John McCain is not seen as having the higher ground on the flip-flops issue in the same way that George W. Bush was. Nor is it clear that being labeled as a flip-flopper is necessarily some kind of death-knell for Obama (or McCain for that matter): both candidates were regarded favorably in this poll overall.

That's not to say there isn't any danger on this point to Barack Obama. I think his flip-flop numbers will go up some, and I think that might harm his approval numbers by a point or two. On balance, however, I tend to side with Noam Schieber: John Kerry's problem wasn't that people saw him as a flip-flopper, it's that people saw him as sort of a poseur. Likewise, with Mitt Romney, the flip-flop label really stuck in the primaries -- partly because Romney has changed his positioning on a lot of issues (there's a fascinating argument that Romney could have won the primaries if he'd run as a competent, moderate reformer) -- but also because people just don't like the guy.

Another difference with John Kerry is that he committed a gaffe that compounded his reputation for flip-flopping: namely, by saying the words "I actually did vote for the $87 billion before I voted against it". A flip-flop is not a gaffe; it is the opposite of a gaffe, something done intentionally with an eye toward improving one's electoral standing. But Kerry's sloppy phrasing was a gaffe, and one of the more damaging utterances since "Read My Lips: No New Taxes".

Finally, Kerry's alleged flip-flop on the Iraq War was not toward the center, but toward the left. It's harder to criticize a candidate when they're taking on a position that is more in line with your own. Moreover, it appeared as though Kerry had been opportunistic twice over: first in voting for the war in the first place, when most of the mainline liberals in the Senate hadn't --and then by reversing his position later on.

--Nate Silver 

Posted: Thursday, July 03, 2008 5:43 PM with 9 comment(s)

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scire said:

also, people keep on forgetting how charismatic, charming, attractive, and likeable Obama is. Kerry had none of these qualities. None. Or at least they weren't visible on TV. Also, I don't think anybody can credibly think of Obama as weak and wimpy after beating Hillary. Mondale, Dukakis, and Kerry all kinda fit the wimpy,image they were smeared with. Obama simply doesn't. Which is why a lot of the traditional Republican tactics aren't sticking to him.  

July 3, 2008 5:52 PM

rozenson said:

Scire is right -- Obama is not a typical politician in the way that he is able to communicate. Detractors downplay his ability to give the warm fuzzies to listeners, but it's a strong asset. And he takes on false accusations in ways that Kerry did not because he has that asset.

July 3, 2008 6:24 PM

Wandreycer1 said:

The first sentence of this post shows how much the American people have wised up.  I agree scire, that Obama's positive qualities and bold, even revolutionary campaign structure are now taken for granted. I think the press still needs to catch up to where the people are and move past their 2000/2004 comfort zone. The old paradigms are cracking up (even if Chait is scared of the flip flopper thing, I think you've comforted him with this post).

But McCain had so many of these qualities too in 2000 - of course in a different way entirely.  Blackton said he should have run as a conservative Democrat, which makes sense but then where would he get his money?  I guess he had no choice, given who funds his campaign and who his base is.  

July 3, 2008 6:32 PM

jacobt1 said:

scire,

"also, people keep on forgetting how charismatic, charming, attractive, and likable Obama is"

Only to his followers.

rozenson  said:,

"And he takes on false accusations in ways that Kerry did not because he has that asset."

And he takes on any criticism in ways that makes him looks like used car dealer, very sleazy.

July 3, 2008 7:11 PM

blackton said:

I agree with scire too, and good point wandrey, but remember he is going the public financing route. I don't think many people will really pay attention until the convention time anyway so it still won't surprise me if he comes across as a Conservative Democrat in the end, that is a fiscal and Nat. Security conservative, social moderate (except on Abortion) and liberal on immigration and the environment. To be honest, if he won that is how I think he would govern anyway and Republicans who don't think so are deluding themselves.

July 3, 2008 7:13 PM

Robert Powell said:

Kerry was simply an appalling buffoon. The flip-flop rap stuck because it was in his case obviously indicative of a weak character rather than a flexible intelligence. Won't work with either McCain or Obama.

I think we should count our lucky stars that we have an election in which either candidate can be counted on to govern with honor and intelligence. We really can't lose this one.

July 3, 2008 7:47 PM

ironyroad said:

This may be just summarizing others' comments, but the figures broadly suggest that not only are both candidates tacking to the pragmatic center but that voters are also aware of that AND ok with that, perhaps in a way that wasn't true in 2004.  It's like they're saying, ok ok we know you have to do some trimming and redirection, but we're biding our time to see which one of you is more potentially trustworthy, given that reality.

July 3, 2008 9:36 PM

scire said:

maybe only to his followers, jacob, but those qualities are probably why he has so many of them.

July 3, 2008 11:03 PM

citizenghost said:

Another possible reason the "flip flop" charge is not as damning as it used to be.

After the GWB experience, it just might be that Americans are open to the idea that a leader should be open to changing his mind in the face of changing circumstances.  

Is such a thing possible?  Or is that still too much "nuance?"

July 7, 2008 12:28 PM