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TODAY'S STORIES
02.07.2008
Comment of the Day: McCain's War-Hero Liability


At the Stump, Mike argued that while Wes Clark's anti-McCain comments hurt Obama now, in the long run they may cause people to question the McCain campaign's use of his military service. In the comments, Rhubarbs suggests that McCain should take heed of the failure of past war hero presidential candidates:

Question: Does McCain really believe that "riding in a fighter plane and getting shot down is a qualification to be president"? If so, there are other American aviators who have been shot down more than once; surely McCain should cede the nomination to one of them.

The correct response from McCain would be, "Wes Clark is right -- getting shot down is not a qualification to be president. But a lifetime spent in service to country, in uniform and in Congress, is." Or somesuch. Because as much as the rightwing likes to fetishize the military, the plain fact is that since Baby Boomers came of voting age, every time but once that a military hero has run for president against someone with less distinguished service or no service, the former hero has lost. The only exception was George HW Bush in 1988. McCain may think there's hay to be made playing up the "war service equals presidential material" angle, but the more he plays that up, the more he looks like he's running on biography instead of issues, and the more he looks like John Kerry or Bob Dole.

--The Editors 

Posted: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 6:13 PM with 9 comment(s)

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spencer97m said:

And because McCain was shot down way back in the 1960's, this issue also serves to remind voters of just how old he really is.

July 2, 2008 6:59 PM

Rhubarbs said:

Just to quantify, the first Baby Boomers were born after 1946, and generally couldn't vote until they were 21, making 1972 the start of the Baby Boom voting era. The elections, with the winners listed first and the more distinguished military service record indicated with an asterisk, is:

1972: Nixon vs. McGovern*

1976: Carter vs. Ford*

1980: Reagan vs. Carter*

1984: Reagan vs. Mondale (tie - both served in stateside noncombat roles during wartime)

1988: Bush* vs. Dukakis

1992: Clinton vs. Bush*

1996: Clinton vs. Dole*

2000: Bush vs. Gore*

2004: Bush vs. Kerry*

That's not a record that would lead me to bet on the war hero in a presidential election, at least as long as the Boomers are still alive.

July 2, 2008 7:49 PM

mollysimon said:

Rhubs:  I'm glad the editors recognize that you're one of the best posters here.  Just a shout-out from me.

July 2, 2008 9:22 PM

woland said:

A shout-out from me as well, Rhubs.  You rock!

July 2, 2008 9:54 PM

williamyard said:

So, as usual, Rhubarbs posts something both reasonable and well-reasoned, complete with evidence that is both new to most of us and relevant to the topic at hand. And his post is without the needless vitriole that turns off intelligent readers.

Here's an idea: hire Rhubarbs. In so doing, you'll improve your site.

What's that, you say? No openings at the moment? Meaning, somebody would have to go to make room for somebody new?

Hmmm...I bet there's someone who's expendable...don't tell me...it's right on the tip of my tongue...

July 2, 2008 11:43 PM

bigfish said:

As glad as I am to see that the era of elections being re-fighting the Vietnam war is slowly coming to a close, I am sad to think that we'll be politically fighting the Iraq war every four years for half a century.

Oof.

July 2, 2008 11:55 PM

thetraytiger said:

Sh*t, yard, they should hire both you AND Rhubarbs. Oh, they'd have room for you guys... With the overdue dismissal of he-who-shall-remain-unnamed, we would see a swift repopulation of the ring of empty seats around his desk at the TNR office.

July 3, 2008 12:13 AM

blackton said:

yard, ooh ooh I know, I know. Is it James Kirchick?

I absolutely agree with Rhub. I love McCain but thought his overreaction to Clark's statement foretells a very wearying campaign from him. We must all genuflect again in McCain's direction because of his service. Like I want to hear that for the next 4 years.

July 3, 2008 10:54 AM

Rhubarbs said:

White House press conference, autumn 2011:

President McCain: Let's start with Jill.

Reporter: Mr. President, some say that your request to nationalize the Girl Scouts for deployment to Iraq is evidence that we just don't have the troops to sustain the mission any further --

Prez: Five years of torture in an enemy prison.

Reporter: Sir, I don't --

Prez: I was shot down, you know. Landed in a pond. Almost drowned. Villagers would have killed me, too. But I persevered. You've gotta persevere when the times are tough. In prison, we sewed American flags. And when the enemy saw them, they took 'em away and beat us half to death. And we'd sew more American flags. I know about sacrifice, and honor.

Reporter: But --

Prez: Next question. Mike?

Blogger: Mr. President, your plan to allow noncitizens to vote in state elections has met with stiff resistance from --

Prez: My friend, you ever command a flight squadron?

Blogger: Sir, I --

Prez: You think any of the do-nothings in Congress ever commanded men in battle? I fought for my country. Five years of torture. Crashed some other planes, too. Barely survived. Damn near sank an aircraft carrier, too. Nobody is going to question my service. Let's move on. Daphne?

Cable Anchor: Sir, in light of the latest paternity test, what do you say to the growing chorus calling for the vice president to resign?

Prez: I didn't give in during five years of torture as a prisoner of war. I'm sure not going to surrender to opportunistic political opponents here in Washington. In the military, they have a saying. "Don't ask, don't tell." I believe in that. Well, heh, my friends, looks like our time is up. I sure wish I could have told my Vietnamese prison guards when the question time was over. Ha ha. [Exit President McCain.]

Or this:

www.youtube.com/watch

July 3, 2008 11:48 AM