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COLUMNISTS
TODAY'S STORIES
25.06.2008
Clinton as Veep--Maybe Not So Ridiculous?

The prospect of making Hillary Clinton the vice presidential nominee remains politically problematic for several reasons, not least among them the distractions her husband might create both during and after the campaign. But "problematic" isn't the same as "unthinkable." And longtime Democratic operative Bob Beckel has a new article over at RealClearPolitics making some several arguments for why, on pure political grounds, Barack Obama should give her serious consideration. Among the more persuasive ones:

A few other benefits of Clinton on the ticket; no one will be a more effective attack dog against McCain and the Right than Hillary. She can take the heat and defend you (something you are increasingly forced to do yourself). Every attack on McCain by Clinton will get wide coverage. No one has had more experience than Hillary on taking the Right to the wood shed and beating them to a pulp. She becomes the lightening rod, you go back to change and hope. Can any other VP choice do that? Not even close. 

For what it's worth, I think Obama has actually proven himself quite adept as a campaign combatant. He stays cool, yes, but he can make pretty devastating criticisms of his opponent when necessary. If he couldn't, he wouldn't have survived that grueling primary. 

Still, it's unquestionably helpful to have a running mate who is also a deft attacker. Think back to the last few presidential campaigns--and the moments for which the running mates are most memorable. Many of them involve the debates. We remember John Edwards and Joe Lieberman failing to deliver punches against Dick Cheney; going back a little further, we remember Lloyd Bensten absolutely devastating Dan Quayle with his famous line about Jack Kennedy.

I don't have such a specific memory of Al Gore in either 1992 or 1996. But he was always a sharp debater and I do recall him making effective rhetorical attacks on Bush/Quayle in 1992, starting with his surprisingly good convention speech. Plus he had a memorable, and politically pivotal, role as Ross Perot's sparring partner in a debate over the North American Free Trade Agreement that ran on Larry King Live.

Hillary Clinton, of course, excelled at the debates. And while I've said repeatedly I think political considerations should be secondary to a candidate's ability to serve as president, I think she meets that standard too--more clearly, in fact, than most of the names now in circulation.

None of which is to say she should definitely be the candidate; there are plenty of other arguments against naming her. But the arguments in the other direction may be stronger than a lot of people--myself included--have acknowledged.  

--Jonathan Cohn 

Posted: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 11:44 AM with 14 comment(s)

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psantillana said:

She's a terrible attack dog! What is she going to do, bellow, "Shame on you, John McCain!"? She's a ham fisted foot in mouth horror. Deft? How is she deft? Change you can xerox? How on Earth can Obama maintain his end to divisive politics/disagree w/o being disagreeable bit - which is his nature, not just a schtick - and unleash that hound of hell? And clumsy hound at that.

No!

June 25, 2008 12:25 PM

alexmparker said:

Bottom line, with the election as favorable for Obama as it looks right now, he an afford to overlook some political advantages in favor of more personal considerations in the VP choice. (Do I like the candidate, will I work well with him/her, is he/she the person I want leading the party after I'm out of office?)

June 25, 2008 12:27 PM

lymon1 said:

I thought she was great on O'Reilly and peace and prosperity in the 1990's is kind of a good selling point.  Decent fundraising and unifying the party -- you could do a lot worse.  But Kerry didn't lose because Edwards was a lackluster vp attack dog and GHWB proved you could win easily with the likes of a Dan Quayle.  

June 25, 2008 12:28 PM

The Plank said:

While I was hunting down video links for my item below , about vice presidential candidates and their

June 25, 2008 12:55 PM

desertdog said:

I know this is going to sound totally shallow and reflective of our Hollywood, infotainment society, but.....the candidate's voice is the biggest factor in whether they're an effective debater.

I always thought Al Gore made excellent points in any debate but could not stop myself from cringing whenever he spoke because of that nasally, pedantic, know-it-all tone he has.  The same thing holds true for Harry Reid.  He just sounds like such a wussy loser!  Even when I think he makes an excellent argument.  If he had a nice,  low, controlled delivery, people would take everything he says alot more seriously.  Nancy Pelosi does much better.  Barbara Boxer is really good.

Barack has the PERFECT speaking voice and tenor.  He just sounds so knowledgeable and in control.  You can't help but sit up, listen and think "this guy really knows his shit!"  Johnny McSame has just an OK speaking voice, a little tinny and somewhat weak.  Hillary sounds screechy, especially when she's under stress (as do many women who try too hard to speak loudly).  There is an art to learning how to speak normally when using a microphone and those who can master it are automatically taken more seriously than those who never do.  They just sound stronger, more intelligent and in command, as sad as that is.

Speech classes would help all people who want to run for elective office and influence policy.  I know this sounds, but think about who you listen to more closely and, by extension, put more credibility in, Patrick Stewart or Pee Wee Herman?

June 25, 2008 1:21 PM

blackton said:

If internal polling shows that Hillary will help moreso than anyone else, then go for her. Beyond that, it would be fun to watch her crush a callow fellow like Pawlenty in a debate, and if McCain wanted to go with Palin, it will automatically take away McCains gender bid for Clinton's supporters, forcing McCain to go with a bland out white male ticket.

I agree Bill will be a potential pain in the ass, just send him to rural areas and keep a tight leash on him, and if Obama becomes President simply don't allow him access to the White House, it is not like Lynn Cheney hangs out in the West Wing.

June 25, 2008 1:21 PM

BHLnyc said:

I knew Lloyd Bentsen and Hillary clinton is no Lloyd Bentsen.

Hillary was not a great debater, she was simply a policy wonk who had a good recall of statistics. Can anyone really recall an inspired one-liner that she gave at any of the debates? Seriously?

"Change you can Xerox," perhaps? That was a real hit.

June 25, 2008 1:39 PM

desertdog said:

It would be fun to see Hillary emasculate some young, male, self-righteous Republican punk, though!

Even better: watch her eviscerate Deferrment Dick.  Catwoman vs. The Penguin!

June 25, 2008 2:19 PM

lymon1 said:

BHL -- yeah, but how much good did Bensten do Dukakis?  Fundraising + women's vote > snappy one-liners.

June 25, 2008 2:24 PM

BHLnyc said:

Lymon,

I don't disagree with you that Bentsen's one liners didn't overcome Dukakis's apparent deficiencies as a candidate. But by the same token, I don't see how Hillary's negatives give Obama a net gain. She's considered untrustworthy and unlikeable, was a terrible manager who put bad people in key positions, ran a campaign that flirted with racial division, has a loose cannon for a husband, and left the race with major debts. How exactly does that sound like a good choice for veep?

June 25, 2008 3:16 PM

greed9 said:

I'm not going to go through and refute each point in this article about why Hillary is the obvious choice for VP, but sufficed to say I would probably be a little weary of taking political advice from the campaign manager for Walter Mondale's 1984 campaign.

More importantly . . .

gr360.blogspot.com/.../run-ball.html

June 25, 2008 4:58 PM

JosephCuomo said:

Jonathan Cohn (and everyone else at TNR who keeps speculating about HRC as the Dem VP):

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Selecting Hillary Clinton as Obama's VP is virtually the only thing that could animate the GOP base enough to rally around John McCain. Right now, the base has absolutely no love for McCain--they don't see him as one of their own. And so they're not going to work for him en masse, they're not going to contribute to him, they may not even vote for him, they may even vote for Obama instead.

Put Hillary on Obama's ticket, though, and all of this changes: it will light a fire under the collective ass of millions upon millions of GOP evangelicals and social conservatives, who will then flock to John McC--with contributions, with volunteers, with vast alternative Christian media empires, and with votes.

To pick HRC as BHO's VP would only prove one thing: that the Democratic Party is, forever more and without a doubt, suicidal.

June 25, 2008 5:55 PM

CRS9TNR said:

Jon,

A few months back I watched the whole hour of YouTube Larry King Debates between Ross Perot and Al Gore.  

Al was a great attack dog and really latched on to Perot.  However Al Gore's content was horrible.  Gore used an example that Walmart would open more stores in Mexico to sell American goods, probably not something most Americans would agree with today.  One of his examples about a textile mill was just plain wrong.  And really Goodyear isn't doing too hot in Mexico these days.

Yes there is the emotional tone, and no one goes back to check 16 years later.  But really the Attack Dog VP Strategy probably won't play that well this year.  It's been done already.

June 25, 2008 10:32 PM

nikkiwhite said:

He should pick her as his running mate and he should announce it tomorrow in Unity. That's it. Just put her on the ticket and let's kick some Republican a**.

June 26, 2008 2:35 PM