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TODAY'S STORIES
19.06.2008
Evening Polls: Obama Gambling on Georgia

There is new polling out in Georgia and Colorado, each of which shows the race tightening.

Rasmussen conducted the Colorado poll, which has Barack Obama with a 43-41 lead. That 2-point advantage is down from 6 points a month ago. But in Georgia, Insider Advantage has that state tightening to a single point; John McCain leads 44-43, with 6 points going to Bob Barr. Insider Advantage's prior poll in Georgia, which also included Barr in the match-ups, had John McCain ahead by 10.

Earlier this week, I ripped on the Obama campaign for designating Georgia as a swing state. No previous polling had shown Obama within single digits there -- a Rasmussen poll conducted the day after the primaries ended had it McCain +10. I doubt that the state is truly within the margin of error right now. But it is certainly close enough -- with the known unknowns of the Barr vote and African-American turnout -- to be included in Obama's ad buy, as the candidate is doing. This may also be a reminder that you can often infer something about a campaign's internal polling in a state before the public data catches up. The McCain camp, for their part, seems as pleased as a peach:

The McCain campaign on Thursday said they welcome Obama's expenditure.

"We're obviously overjoyed when Barack Obama spends money in a state that we are very, very confident that John McCain will carry in November," McCain spokesman Jeff Sadosky said.
As to the Colorado result: the patterns here are getting harder rather than easier to detect, but just as he's gotten an especially large bounce out of Appalachia, there is a certain type of state where Obama has gotten little bump at all, or his numbers have even ticked downward. These are the states that I sometimes think of as the Great White North: places like Oregon and Washington, and Minnesota, and Colorado. These states have fair numbers of Democrats but, with the possible exception of Minnesota, they don't tend to be as institutionally Democratic as states East of the Mississippi. They remain among Obama's best states, but he may be running into some kind of ceiling in terms of partisan support.

--Nate Silver 

Posted: Thursday, June 19, 2008 8:37 PM with 12 comment(s)

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teplukhin2you said:

"Evening" polls? WTF are the hourly polls? Quit slacking, silver.

June 19, 2008 10:18 PM

fougasseu said:

Imagine forty years from now as the demographics have continued their transformation of America, and pundits and scholars refer back to this time (as we look back now to the Vietnam era) - the hand-wringing over race will seem bizarre, and this contest will be viewed like a battle between the north and the confederacy. How can the GOP survive? Their fight against the future is a bit terrifying. How far will they go, what will they do to stand in the way of this change?

June 20, 2008 8:07 AM

dsimpson said:

"Pleased as a peach"?

I think the phrase Silver meant to use was "pleased as punch."

Origin here:

www.phrases.org.uk/.../43850.html

June 20, 2008 8:31 AM

blackton said:

Hasn't McCain gotten the memo that Obama opted out of public financing? Something tells me that spending money isn't going to be any kind of a problem for Obama anywhere. Now if Obama spends a lot of time there, that is a different story.

June 20, 2008 10:30 AM

aeromonas said:

dsimpson, I suggest you google it.  "Pleased as a peach" is in usage here and there, and, of course, given that Silver was talking about Georgia, he had to get a peach reference in somehow.

I don't know why a peach should be particularly pleased, but then I don't know why punch should be either.  Both things, peaches and punch, would seem to induce pleasure, not experience it.  

June 20, 2008 10:49 AM

dsimpson said:

Aeromonas, "Pleased as punch" originates from the old Punch and Judy puppet shows, and dates back to the early 1800s. I included a link that explained the origin of the phrase and everything. See above. "Pleased as a peach" seems like a bastardization of the original, like saying "it's a doggy dog world" or that something is a "mute point" instead of a "moot point."

As for the Georgia-peach connection - That peach is a bit strained.

June 20, 2008 11:14 AM

bigfish said:

fougasseu, I disagree with your characterization of the race as a "battle between the north and the confederacy. How can the GOP survive? Their fight against the future is a bit terrifying. How far will they go, what will they do to stand in the way of this change?"  Most (well, all actually) Republicans who will vote for McCain aren't trying to stand in the way of change.  They're casting their votes not to fight the future, but to fight a future they don't want.  To them, McCain represents a better future than Obama offers.  If I were a McCain supporter (which I'm not), the way to convince me to vote for Obama would be to articulate why Obama's future is better than McCains.  What you just said would only further entrench me in my support for McCain.  I would hear "There's a New World coming, and you must jump on the majoritarian Obama bandwagon now, lest the rest of us think of you as backward hicks who opine that 'The South will rise again!'  Resistance to Obama is not only futile, but morally repugnant."  Now, I know you didn't mean it that way, foug, but in our enthusiasm about a possible Obama presidency, we can't get too caught up in hyperbole.

But on a different note, peach punch would be pretty pleasing indeed.  Peach juice, with some sprite (and a little rum perhaps?)  Yumm!

June 20, 2008 11:34 AM

psantillana said:

I live in Washington state. Should I care about this "ceiling"? He's definitely going to win here, right? Past "definitely going to win", do I care, since it's winner take all?

June 20, 2008 11:41 AM

stgla said:

Nate is smart to interpret campaign behavior as signaling private information. This includes campaign's own polls but also includes feedback from the campaign's registration efforts.  The Obama campaign investing in GA could be a sign that their voter registration is doing well there.  Registering and turning out African Americans will be critical to Obama's victory in southern states.

June 20, 2008 12:16 PM

arsonplus said:

Tep I apologize but ....

In a new Insider Advantage/PollPosition poll in Georgia, McCain and Obama are statistically tied, with Libertarian candidate Bob Barr winning 6% of the vote. In an I.A. poll from last month, Obama trailed by 10 points -- since then he secured the Democratic nomination.

McCain 44 (-1 vs. last poll, May 20)

Obama 43 (+8)

Barr 6 (-2)

June 20, 2008 1:43 PM

fougasseu said:

bigfish: Points well taken. I had a conversation with a particularly annoying family member who is rabidly pro-McCain and says horribly racist things, not often, but when he feels he can get away with it. That set me off.

June 20, 2008 4:29 PM

cspencef said:

Those peach jokes are the pits.

Anyway, I just can't wait to hear from the family back in the Empire State of the South (the official nickname) should Obama manage to pluck Georgia off the peach tree.  I can virtually hear all the anguished wailing about the terrorists winning and the end of America now.

June 20, 2008 10:42 PM