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27.05.2008
How the VP Debate Misses the Mark (cont'd)

I'd like to second Josh's thoughts about the considerations that should go into Obama's veep selection, but let me amplify one of them: the veep choice should have a good working relationship with the nominee. Josh is right that picking a runningmate is basically the equivalent of making the first pick in the NFL Draft, but there's one big difference: The top pick in the NFL draft initially has more clout than his coach; the number two person on the ticket is always going to be in a subservient position to the person at the top.

I bring all this up because, while I'm very intrigued by the idea of Jim Webb as Obama's runningmate for all of the obvious reasons, one thing I haven't seen much discussion of is whether Webb is too independent to be a good veep. The one prominent political position Webb has held in which he's had to work under someone--as Reagan's Secretary of the Navy--didn't work out too well, with Webb resigning after clashing with his boss, Defense Secretary Frank Carlucci.

Here's the lede of the New York Times 1988 editorial on Webb's resignation:

It's a fine thing to resign on principle. But James Webb seems to have resigned as Secretary of the Navy on something closer to pique. He failed to get on with his boss, Secretary of Defense Frank Carlucci, and left with a gratuitous personal blast. Mr. Webb's departure raises no great debate about the future of the Navy, merely an eyebrow as to whether he was really suited to his office.

Now, granted, this was 20 years ago. From all accounts, Webb's worked well in the Senate (and the coalition he was able to assemble around his veterans legislation was certainly impressive). But Senators ultimately answer to themselves. Webb wouldn't have that luxury as veep. If he came out on the losing side of a policy debate in an Obama administration, would he be willing to support that policy? I don't know. Perhaps. But have Evan Bayh or Ted Strickland or even Ed Rendell ever resigned from anything--whether on principle or pique?

--Jason Zengerle

Posted: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 3:59 AM with 12 comment(s)

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dbhuff said:

I think it is crucial to find someone who can be subordinate, but who is a rising star to promote. It is nice if he has some experience in areas the candidate is weak, but really people don't elect a VP (although it can prevent an election)  From what I know of Obama, he would select someone who would be a good contributor on his team, possibly with some contrary opinions, maybe with some GOP cred. What I doubt is he would pick someone to hurt him with his "Appalachia problem', 'white-working class problem', etc. because there IS no one who can do that but Obama. From day one, he seems to have realized that a smooth running team, with clear goals and careful strategy is the way to get things done, not short-term quick fixes. I expect we will be a little surprised at the eventual pick, but realize it was very smart afterwards; it is his way.

May 27, 2008 8:42 AM

Rhubarbs said:

The rising-star thing is particularly critical under the Twenty-Second Amendment. Since it was adopted, second-term presidents are only effective to the extent that their VP is seen as a natural successor. Without the "threat" of an effective third-term under the VP, second-term presidents have no medium- to long-term influence over their own party in Congress.

For this reason, George W. Bush has been a lame duck since December 2004; his influence over his own party since then has extended no further than short-term dealmaking within specific bills. He can't even get his own party to consider, much less pass, his legislative proposals.

Of course, a president can switch VPs when he runs for reelection. As Dubya should have done; whatever value Cheney offers Bush, he could just as easily done from an appointed post on the White House staff. If Bush had done so and put, say, Norm Coleman or somebody on his ticket in 2004, the threat of a "third term" under his VP would have renewed his leverage over his own party by (A) giving them a continuing stake in his personal political welfare and (B) raising the potential personal costs to them of defiance should the VP win his own term and have the chance to punish lame-duck-period disloyalty. But that hasn't been done since, what, Ford in 1976? And before that, FDR in '44? So odds are, if a president takes office with a VP who is not seen as a viable successor, he will be likely to face a full four years of second-term lame-duckancy.

Oh, and Brad Henry for VP.

May 27, 2008 9:14 AM

aeromonas said:

Wow, great point Rhubarbs.  I'd never put it together that way before, but somehow it seems right.

My only worry though is, besides Bush/Cheney, what modern examples are there of 2-term presidents without "rising-star" veeps?  Sure, Quayle was unlikely to assume the presidential mantel, but George the First didn't achieve the second term required to prove whether or not he'd wind up a 4-year lame duck.  Could it be that George II's lame-duckism has more to do with his gross negligence than with his VEEP?

May 27, 2008 9:50 AM

pdavidtigan said:

I think Obama would be wise to pick up at least one mantle of the Bush presidency - giving the Veep substantial responsibility in the administration of the government.  I don't like what Cheney has done with that responsibility, of course, but intellectually it is a good idea to put a good public servant to work if you put them in the White House, albeit in a constitutionally weak position.  To that end, I think that Obama could craft the position as more of a "chief operating officer" for the federal government.  And though it wouldn't help him with the Appalachia problem, a proven private-sector/public-sector operator like Mike Bloomberg could fit that bill.

May 27, 2008 10:06 AM

roidubouloi said:

Do they like Bloomberg in OH?

May 27, 2008 10:34 AM

liberal reformer said:

Obama will never select Michael Bloomberg. Bloomy is too unscripted to ever run on any ticket other than the one he himself bankrolls. The Webb watch can probably be discontinued. His dislike of campaigning will get him disqualified before he is considered.

May 27, 2008 12:34 PM

EricWitte said:

It would hurt to lose such a great Senate candidate, but Mark Warner would be a superb choice.

May 27, 2008 12:47 PM

beacho said:

Mark Warner fits the COO job description, and would be an exception to Josh's rule: he would clearly deliver Virginia. It was Warner's popularity, more than the "macaca" comment, that out Webb over the top. The challenge would then be how to nominate Don Beyer for the Senate race.

May 27, 2008 3:35 PM

Club for Growth said:

Jonah Goldberg likes Sarah Palin. MSNBC has its own VP brackets game. Jindal insists he and McCain did not talk about the VP search. Often talked about VP candidate Tim Pawlenty vetoes a human cloning bill. It was bound to happen eventually--pro-life

May 27, 2008 7:43 PM

teplukhin2you said:

Ken Salazar. Marty's coming around to this; others will follow.

Obama doesn't need to appeal to the MoveOnners. He needs to win over small-town whites and hispanics, especially in Colorado and Nevada and New Mexico. Salazar can win over all these groups, much more easily than Obama ever could. He brings instant credibility in the eyes of exactly the kind of voters who are skeptical about Obama.

May 28, 2008 2:14 AM

roidubouloi said:

Well tep,

If there is no one who can bring OH over (more votes than CO, NV and NM put together, some of which Obama will get anyway), then it sounds good to me.  Barring a way to swing OH, Mark Warner would do too in order to swing VA (assuming in every case that Obama has poll data that gives him the likely outcome).

May 28, 2008 8:40 AM

The Plank said:

Even TNR's offices are not immune to veepstakes fever. It all started when John Judis put the "unity

May 30, 2008 7:23 PM